Re: [Elecraft] Seeting digital RX levels - was: ARRL Field Day

2013-06-27 Thread Bill Frantz
As far as I can tell, the sound card is the limiting factor in 
receive IMD generation when using a K3, KX3 or K2. I try to run 
my receive just below where the computer software indicates the 
digital levels are distorting, and control that level with the 
RF gain control. This procedure seems to keep all the radio 
pieces within their linear range. I can see IMD being generated 
on my waterfall when I have the RF gain too high, and it is all 
in my receive chain.


Measuring IMD on a PSK signal is not as easy as it seems. Any 
band noise may be interpreted as IMD, so the weaker the signal, 
the worse the IMD reading. Ideally IMD measurements will be 
taken with a strong signal and without any data -- so you just 
have the PSK idle railroad tracks. I just ignore IMD 
measurements from stations I am only receiving weakly, assuming 
they are also receiving me weakly. From strong stations, I get 
good reports.


As for obnoxious, rude reports; they aren't limited to PSK. I 
answered a CQ on 80M SSB running QRP and the ham at the other 
end just said, Get an amp! A signal report and a comment that 
I was too weak to continue the conversation would seem to be the 
least one should expect. I'll just try to remember not to behave 
rudely myself.


Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 6/26/13 at 11:45 PM, rv6am...@yahoo.com (Mark Petiford) wrote:

I am relatively new to PSK (operate mainly CW), but after 
receiving my KX3, started to take an interest in it.  After 
listening for some time, I became curious as to why some hams 
were giving out poor IMD reports and verbal reports of You are 
splattering all over when I wasn't always seeing the same 
thing.  Some folks were just downright rude with their 
reports.  I realize that different software packages may give 
different IMD measurements, but a few were grossly different.  
There seems to be a lot of information about getting things set 
right on the transmit side, but not so much on the receive side.


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Re: [Elecraft] Seeting digital RX levels - was: ARRL Field Day

2013-06-27 Thread Mark Petiford
Good tips, Bill.  I appreciate your comments.


I think I will play around with two radios and do some measurements myself just 
to be sure I can believe in my own signal.  There is a pretty good guide to 
measuring IMD on rsq-info.net.  Once I make sure my TX side is clean, I can 
play with my RX side to see how if I can make a good signal look bad just for 
my own education.  That will be fun and educational as well.


Tnx again.

Mark
KE6BB




 From: Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Seeting digital RX levels - was: ARRL Field Day
 

As far as I can tell, the sound card is the limiting factor in 
receive IMD generation when using a K3, KX3 or K2. I try to run 
my receive just below where the computer software indicates the 
digital levels are distorting, and control that level with the 
RF gain control. This procedure seems to keep all the radio 
pieces within their linear range. I can see IMD being generated 
on my waterfall when I have the RF gain too high, and it is all 
in my receive chain.

Measuring IMD on a PSK signal is not as easy as it seems. Any 
band noise may be interpreted as IMD, so the weaker the signal, 
the worse the IMD reading. Ideally IMD measurements will be 
taken with a strong signal and without any data -- so you just 
have the PSK idle railroad tracks. I just ignore IMD 
measurements from stations I am only receiving weakly, assuming 
they are also receiving me weakly. From strong stations, I get 
good reports.

As for obnoxious, rude reports; they aren't limited to PSK. I 
answered a CQ on 80M SSB running QRP and the ham at the other 
end just said, Get an amp! A signal report and a comment that 
I was too weak to continue the conversation would seem to be the 
least one should expect. I'll just try to remember not to behave 
rudely myself.

Cheers - Bill, AE6JV

On 6/26/13 at 11:45 PM, rv6am...@yahoo.com (Mark Petiford) wrote:

I am relatively new to PSK (operate mainly CW), but after 
receiving my KX3, started to take an interest in it.  After 
listening for some time, I became curious as to why some hams 
were giving out poor IMD reports and verbal reports of You are 
splattering all over when I wasn't always seeing the same 
thing.  Some folks were just downright rude with their 
reports.  I realize that different software packages may give 
different IMD measurements, but a few were grossly different.  
There seems to be a lot of information about getting things set 
right on the transmit side, but not so much on the receive side.

---
Bill Frantz        |Security, like correctness, is| Periwinkle
(408)356-8506      |not an add-on feature. - Attr-| 16345 
Englewood Ave
www.pwpconsult.com |ibuted to Andrew Tanenbaum    | Los Gatos, 
CA 95032

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Re: [Elecraft] Seeting digital RX levels - was: ARRL Field Day

2013-06-27 Thread Carl Clawson
Indeed. For instance, my neighbor Ernie, K7EAJ, showed up on 80 m with a
PSK31 signal so horrible that I could not copy it at all. Splattered all
across the band. Why? He's too close! Once I turned my RF gain way down,
his signal was fine.

73, Carl WS7L


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Bill Frantz fra...@pwpconsult.com wrote:


 Measuring IMD on a PSK signal is not as easy as it seems.
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