Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread G3SJJ
I am desparately hoping to take delivery of my K3 before Christmas 
(although now feel this is unlikely) but I agree with you both.


The list is now out of hand.  Disappointingly this is mainly due to a 
small group of established Elecrafters who believe they own the list and 
can/should start and contribute to any discussion whether it is relevant 
or not. Everytime I come back to my computer there are at least 30 
irrelevant emails.


Not only am I totally frustrated with the lack of progress on my K3 and 
I am now extremely disturbed at the lack of discipline on this 
Reflector. I am seriously considering cancelling my order due to to the 
combined effects of both.


Chris G3SJJ




Andreas Hofmann wrote:

Ditto, traffic from elecraft email list is getting out of hand with K3 support 
emails IMHO...

73, Andy (KU7T, ex Y38WF, ex DL6UST)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Krister Eriksson
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:23 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

Yes! I do completely agree, I would also like to see a separate list for
the K3. I am *not* interested in K3 at all, I have now only the K1, and
I do have serious plans to buy and build a K2, possibly during the late
end of 2008 ..  so, for that reason I am only interested in reading
posts and getting information regarding the K1 and K2.

Today I am receiving the list in a digest, coming 2-4 times each day in
my mailbox, and 96% of the content is about K3, this is just too much
for me .. I have several times considered to send an unsubscribe message
to this list, but decided to bear and stay..

73 / SM5KRI Chris


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[quote]

Message: 35
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:53:16 -0500
From: B. Scott Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the
Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other
Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except
for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both
lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users
who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for
a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes.

[[end quote]]
  

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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread G4ILO


Marteinn Sverrisson wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 If you feel that the list is out of hands, then do as I did long ago,
 unsubscribe and just read the MARC list archives, subjects are neatly
 sorted and grouped.
 
 No clogging of your Mail inbox.
 
 

A much better alternative was shown to me the other day, it is at
http://www.nabble.com/Elecraft-f28632.html . If you subscribe using the same
email address you are subscribed to the reflector with, you can post
directly from this without any cutting and pasting, as I am doing right now.

Another possibility is to open a free Gmail account. Gmail has excellent
filtering and you can set it up to highlight the posts that contain the
terms you are interested in and mark as read the rest. With 2GB of storage
you will also build up your own personal archive for searching.

Finally I would mention (again) the Elecraft forums at
http://www.zerobeat.net/smf/index.php which were set up as a response to
complaints like this. The forums are not very active because it seems the
majority are actually happy with the reflector as it is, plus Elecraft's
unwillingness to participate, but they *do* fulfil the objective of
splitting the traffic into topics of specific interest, as you'll see if you
take a look.

Julian, G4ILO

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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread Chris Page
Sorry you feel that way Chris, but if you do decide to cancel your K3
order (which I am sure you won't) then please give me an opportunity
to buy it from you first!

Thanks and 161 de Chris, N4CJ (G4BUE)

On 5 Dec 2007 at 8:23, G3SJJ wrote:

 I am desparately hoping to take delivery of my K3 before Christmas
 (although now feel this is unlikely) but I agree with you both.

 The list is now out of hand.  Disappointingly this is mainly due to
 a
 small group of established Elecrafters who believe they own the list
 and
 can/should start and contribute to any discussion whether it is
 relevant
 or not. Everytime I come back to my computer there are at least 30
 irrelevant emails.

 Not only am I totally frustrated with the lack of progress on my K3
 and
 I am now extremely disturbed at the lack of discipline on this
 Reflector. I am seriously considering cancelling my order due to to
 the
 combined effects of both.

 Chris G3SJJ




 Andreas Hofmann wrote:
  Ditto, traffic from elecraft email list is getting out of hand
 with K3 support emails IMHO...
 
  73, Andy (KU7T, ex Y38WF, ex DL6UST)
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Krister
 Eriksson
  Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:23 PM
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3
 
  Yes! I do completely agree, I would also like to see a separate
 list for
  the K3. I am *not* interested in K3 at all, I have now only the
 K1, and
  I do have serious plans to buy and build a K2, possibly during the
 late
  end of 2008 ..  so, for that reason I am only interested in
 reading
  posts and getting information regarding the K1 and K2.
 
  Today I am receiving the list in a digest, coming 2-4 times each
 day in
  my mailbox, and 96% of the content is about K3, this is just too
 much
  for me .. I have several times considered to send an unsubscribe
 message
  to this list, but decided to bear and stay..
 
  73 / SM5KRI Chris
 
 
  --
  Hamradio: SM5KRI
  Krister Eriksson, Västerås Sweden
 
 
  [quote]
 
  Message: 35
  Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:53:16 -0500
  From: B. Scott Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes;
 format=flowed
 
  I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting
 the
  Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all
 other
  Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except
  for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both
  lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users
  who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for
  a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes.
 
  [[end quote]]
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread John R. Lonigro
My solution is to filter out any email with K3 in the title.  It all 
goes to a separate folder.  The same goes for email with elecraft in 
the title.  As a result, I have 3 in folders.  The third has most of 
my non-radio communications in it.  That is the folder I check daily.


I also try to keep any responses short and infrequent.

I use Thunderbird, but I assume other email programs have similar 
provisions.


73's,
John AA0VE

G4ILO wrote:

Marteinn Sverrisson wrote:
  

Hi

If you feel that the list is out of hands, then do as I did long ago,
unsubscribe and just read the MARC list archives, subjects are neatly
sorted and grouped.

No clogging of your Mail inbox.



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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread Bill W4ZV


Marteinn Sverrisson wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 If you feel that the list is out of hands, then do as I did long ago,
 unsubscribe and just read the MARC list archives, subjects are neatly
 sorted and grouped.
 
 No clogging of your Mail inbox.
 
 

G4ILO responded:

A much better alternative was shown to me the other day, it is at
http://www.nabble.com/Elecraft-f28632.html . If you subscribe using the same
email address you are subscribed to the reflector with, you can post
directly from this without any cutting and pasting, as I am doing right now.

The nabble archive is fantastic!  If you don't want email filling your inbox
and want a well-organized view of the archives, take a minute to look at
this and then register your email address so you can post.  There is no
excuse (except ignorance or laziness) for anyone not to use this as an
alternative to the email list!

73,  Bill  W4ZV

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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread Alan Bloom
On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 06:22, Dave Yarnes wrote:

 If you don't use Outlook Express (or Windows Mail as it is called if you 
 have Vista), you should check into it--or some similar program.  You can 
 sort your inbox into topics, and have your mail automatically, very neatly, 
 filtered accordingly.  It's not perfect, but it sure helps a bunch.

I think pretty much all email programs can be set up to filter
messages.  For example I am running an old version of Ximian Evolution
on a Linux computer.  It's in the Tools  Filters directory.  I
think Outlook calls it Rules.

But for that to work, it's important for posters to remember to put
K3, K2 or whatever in the subject line.  I myself have been pretty
absent-minded about this in the past - I'll try to do better in future.

Al N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread Rick Dettinger
I would like everyone considering cancelling thier K3 order due to any
reason to do so at once.  I may yet get my very own K3 by Xmas.  I think my
serial number may already have decreased by one or two.

73
Rick Dettinger
K7MW


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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread Ian Stirling
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 12:40:42 Alan Bloom wrote:

 I think pretty much all email programs can be set up to filter
 messages.  For example I am running an old version of Ximian Evolution
 on a Linux computer.

 I have just set my KMail filter to send email from this list
containing K3 in the subject or body of text to /dev/null

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Rick Dettinger wrote:


I would like everyone considering cancelling thier K3 order due to any
reason to do so at once.  I may yet get my very own K3 by Xmas.  I think my
serial number may already have decreased by one or two.


Why not sweeten the deal and send them their deposit?  They can reimburse you 
when it's received from Aptos.


At some point you could offer the dposit + xx premium to move up the list.

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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread B. Scott Andersen

Thanks to all who responded both on the list and off.
For the record, I am an extremely happy Elecraft
customer and believe that the Aptos team has 
performed admirably. They have been extremely generous 
by giving us visibility into their rollout. For those of us 
who are used to being early adopters it has been a great
ride. For others, uncomfortable on the razor's edge,
there has been some gnashing of teeth, with some of it,
sadly, expressed here.

I would be mortified if my suggestion here were
misinterpreted as anything but a mechanical change
to the list. There is a firehose of information. I was 
just looking for a way to better manage it now and
in the future. My concern was simple: if this level of
traffic is maintained with just a hundred or so radios
in the field, what will the list look like after the 1000th
has shipped?!

As per a suggestion I am now posting from www.nabble.com
I second the motion that this is an interesting alternative to 
receiving the multiple bulk message digests each day. While
it does not address the crux of the problem I raised, it does
provide a nice viewer for absorbing the list off-line.

-- Scott (NE1RD... who finished _2_ K1s in November {hooray}!)


B. Scott Andersen wrote:
 
 I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the
 Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other
 Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Or do what I have done, put mail rules in place to discard anything with K1,
KX1 or K2 in the subject that comes from Elecraft - that hits about 80% of
non-K3 related mail. Sorry, I'm one of those filling the list with K3 stuff.

Eric has made it quite clear they do not wish to split the list, so lets not
start that thread all over again and fill the list more, please.

On 5/12/07 08:44, Marteinn Sverrisson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
 If you feel that the list is out of hands, then do as I did long ago,
 unsubscribe and just read the MARC list archives, subjects are neatly
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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread Dave Yarnes
You know, as frustrated as you and some others are about the reflector being 
clogged with K3 stuff currently, many of us are equally frustrated by the 
constant complaining about the reflector.  They want to shape it to their 
specific parameters, which ignores, to a great extent, what the rest want.


Elecraft provides this reflector for its products and product users (and 
user wannabe's).  They also do a pretty darn good job of monitoring and 
controlling its content.  But the key is that this is the Elecraft 
reflector, not the K1, or K2, or K3 reflector, etc.  Remember, Eric has to 
monitor this stuff, and it would be wrong to make him chase all over to, and 
manage, different reflectors to do so.  It certainly would complicate his 
task.


A lot of very good suggestions have been given on how to deal with issues 
where someone wants to cut down on the inflow to one's inbox.  Instead of 
complaining (and clogging up the inbox of others even more), why not 
actually TRY one of these suggestions?  Most importantly, it's not required 
that you get each piece of mail separately.  I use the digest form 
frequently for that very reason, and switch to individual messages when it 
is more important to be closer to real time receipt of the messages.


If you don't use Outlook Express (or Windows Mail as it is called if you 
have Vista), you should check into it--or some similar program.  You can 
sort your inbox into topics, and have your mail automatically, very neatly, 
filtered accordingly.  It's not perfect, but it sure helps a bunch.


If you don't feel like your topic preferences are being adequately dealt 
with, try starting your own reflector!  Yahoo makes that a very simple task. 
You will find out soon enough whether many others share your feelings.


The point is that people should be a little more proactive about solving 
their own problems--especially when there are tools already provided which 
allow them to do so.  Don't expect Elecraft to jump through all kinds of 
hoops to cater to individual preferences.  Quit sitting on your hands, and 
do what you can do to solve your concerns!


Finally, if you have some issue with the way Elecraft is handling it's 
business, your email should be to them and not the reflector.  I think it is 
very counterproductive to start a bitch session here and try to stir up the 
troops.  If you have a legitimate problem or question, which I consider to 
be one which the group may be able to help you solve, that is probably 
appropriate.  This is NOT the Customer Service reflector.  It's not that I 
don't appreciate your frustration--we all have probably experienced some of 
it along the line--it's just that we can't help you!


Elecraft is not doing things perfectly, but you will be hard pressed to find 
any other ham radio company which is trying harder to effectively deal with 
issues as they arise.  How many companies like this do we have where you are 
basically on a first name basis with all of the principals?  But not 
everyone will be satisfied with this effort.  When it bugs you more than you 
can stand, you should try talking to them directly.  Chances are you will 
get a very well reasoned response in due time.  So please, just give it some 
thought before you create more frustration for yourself by not taking the 
most effective action.


Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
From: G3SJJ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3


I am desparately hoping to take delivery of my K3 before Christmas
(although now feel this is unlikely) but I agree with you both.

The list is now out of hand.  Disappointingly this is mainly due to a
small group of established Elecrafters who believe they own the list and
can/should start and contribute to any discussion whether it is relevant
or not. Everytime I come back to my computer there are at least 30
irrelevant emails.

Not only am I totally frustrated with the lack of progress on my K3 and
I am now extremely disturbed at the lack of discipline on this
Reflector. I am seriously considering cancelling my order due to to the
combined effects of both.

Chris G3SJJ






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[Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-05 Thread Marteinn Sverrisson
Hi

If you feel that the list is out of hands, then do as I did long ago,
unsubscribe and just read the MARC list archives, subjects are neatly
sorted and grouped.

No clogging of your Mail inbox.

To post to the list, just make an entry for elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
in you address book or whatever you use, and cut and paste the subject ...


73, Matti


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[Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-04 Thread B. Scott Andersen

I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the
Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other
Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except
for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both
lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users
who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for
a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes.

I do not begrudge the K3 traffic. Quite the contrary: the
list is filled with fantastic things all being reported and
commented upon in real-time. It is a wealth of information
(for which even we who are waiting to procure our K3
are grateful). But, the K3 discussions have swamped
the other stuff making life for the K1 and K2 enthusiasts
difficult.

I have to take the list in digest form right now because of
the high-traffic. If the list were split, I would likely continue
to subscribe to both but take one as digest (the K3 posts)
and the other as individual posts. A split would make this
possible. Is suspect that others would follow my lead and
make similar arrangements.

I understand this would create work for everybody.
A new list would need to be created. Even if the new
list was populated by the members of this original list
it would mean everybody now has two list addresses
to manage. With all that said, I still believe it is worth
consideration.

My 2-cents. Refunds upon request.

-- Scott (NE1RD, owner of  two K1s, a K2, a KX1, and lots of mini- 
modules)



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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-04 Thread Mark Bayern
In my opinion ... the K3 technical stuff could stay here. All the
moaning and groaning about shipment dates and how Wayne and Eric
should run their company could move to another list.

Mark



On Dec 4, 2007 12:53 PM, B. Scott Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the
 Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other
 Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except
 for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both
 lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users
 who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for
 a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes.
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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-04 Thread Bill NY9H

At 12:53 PM 12/4/2007, B. Scott Andersen wrote:

I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the
Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other


Hi Scott,

I have my email set up so the K3 stuff has it's own folder...  and 
goes right in...


Actually stuff with subjects : : K1 ,Kx1, dstar,  orion  all go into 
the trash...so I can also still watch my icom and tentec lists.


You might see how to configure your email client to do this , which 
would allow you to load the stuff down at one time... and view the k3 
stuff at YOUR convenience.


Besides   the elecraft guys have said they want to keep the family in 
one spot...

a few times, following similar suggestions.

bill 


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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-04 Thread Todd J Gahagan
I sort my email into folders for the K1, K2, and K3.  Easily done in Outlook 
Express and eases the burden of sorting things out.  Just a thought.


Todd, WA7U

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Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-04 Thread Krister Eriksson
Yes! I do completely agree, I would also like to see a separate list for
the K3. I am *not* interested in K3 at all, I have now only the K1, and
I do have serious plans to buy and build a K2, possibly during the late
end of 2008 ..  so, for that reason I am only interested in reading
posts and getting information regarding the K1 and K2.

Today I am receiving the list in a digest, coming 2-4 times each day in
my mailbox, and 96% of the content is about K3, this is just too much
for me .. I have several times considered to send an unsubscribe message
to this list, but decided to bear and stay.. 

73 / SM5KRI Chris


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Message: 35
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:53:16 -0500
From: B. Scott Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the
Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other
Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except
for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both
lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users
who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for
a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes.

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RE: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

2007-12-04 Thread Andreas Hofmann
Ditto, traffic from elecraft email list is getting out of hand with K3 support 
emails IMHO...

73, Andy (KU7T, ex Y38WF, ex DL6UST)

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3

Yes! I do completely agree, I would also like to see a separate list for
the K3. I am *not* interested in K3 at all, I have now only the K1, and
I do have serious plans to buy and build a K2, possibly during the late
end of 2008 ..  so, for that reason I am only interested in reading
posts and getting information regarding the K1 and K2.

Today I am receiving the list in a digest, coming 2-4 times each day in
my mailbox, and 96% of the content is about K3, this is just too much
for me .. I have several times considered to send an unsubscribe message
to this list, but decided to bear and stay..

73 / SM5KRI Chris


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Message: 35
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:53:16 -0500
From: B. Scott Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] Separate list for K3
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

I am wondering if it might be appropriate to consider splitting the
Elecraft list into two lists: one for the K3 and one for all other
Elecraft offerings (K1, K2, KX1, mini-modules, etc.). Except
for perhaps transverters, which could have issues on both
lists, the division would be beneficial to the non-K3 users
who must now sift though the hundreds of K3 postings for
a few morsels of K2 or K1 notes.

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