Re: [Elecraft] Steel in some K-line enclosures

2013-02-25 Thread David G4DMP
This may not always be the same, Jim. My first XV144 transverter had
steel top and bottom covers, but in later XV--- transverters they were
made of aluminium. The type of material used could have something to do
with availability, cost, weight or strength. Unless Elecraft state
otherwise, it may not be wise to assume that they always use the same
type of material.

73 de David G4DMP


In a recent message, Jim Miller j...@jtmiller.com writes
Just was playing around with a magnet and noticed that the KAT500, KPA500
and P3 all have some of their panels made of steel rather than aluminum.

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Re: [Elecraft] Steel in some K-line enclosures

2013-02-25 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Jim,

As a point of curiosity here's a posting from Wayne (04/15/2010) describing
the reason for using steel in the P3 enclosure:

/The P3 enclosure is being fabricated entirely from corrosion-resistant  
steel (plated before painting) rather than aluminum. Production and  
field test units will weigh about twice as much as the prototype you  
tried out (about 5 pounds).

Besides making the unit heavy enough to not slide when you push the  
buttons, the steel enclosure will reduce EMI generally -- in or out.  
The use of steel also makes the enclosure very strong, so that you  
could, if you wanted, put a heavy 20 A linear power supply inside to  
power the K3, etc. While we don't have any current plan to offer an  
optional internal power supply for the P3, some of us (including me)  
will be rolling our own. In my case it will free up some valuable desk  
space. (Anyone need a Samlex power supply? Pick-up only!)

73,
Wayne
N6KR
/


Jim AB3CV wrote
 Just was playing around with a magnet and noticed that the KAT500, KPA500
 and P3 all have some of their panels made of steel rather than aluminum.
 
 I've been wondering how to keep some of my little homebrew boxes from
 sliding around yet blended with the K-Line feng shui. The steel top of the
 P3 looks like it will become the next resting place for a consolidation
 box
 of boxes and a magnetic base would keep it from sliding around when
 buttons
 are pressed.
 
 Nice!
 
 jim ab3cv





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Re: [Elecraft] Steel in some K-line enclosures

2013-02-25 Thread Lewis Phelps
I have home-brewed a number of enclosures. for one of the reasons Wayne cited-- 
enough weight to keep the piece of equipment stable on the desktop -- I have 
settled on brass as my favorite metal.  Depending upon the nature of the 
project, I sometimes also use copper.

Comparative densities:   Brass is 2.00 to 3.15z density of AL 6061 alloy. 
Copper is 3.28x. steel is 2.88x.  Brass is (depending on which alloys you 
choose) roughly 1.1x to 1.2x density of steels.

Advantages of brass and copper versus aluminum and steel:
1. thicker sheets can be cut to size with a table saw using any carbide-tooth 
blade, unlike steel (or with a saber saw)
2. machines easily(less drill bit binding than AL, and easier to tap for 
threads than AL, which tends to clog threads of taps and cause them to bind and 
break). Being harder, brass also holds a thread better than AL.
3. Corner joints can be soldered on projects made from folded sheet copper or 
brass. 
4. Thicker plate can be bent to form corners more easily than steel, and won't 
break when folded 90° (unlike 0.125 thick ness AL).
4. The look is really nice, especially if you live in an older home like I do, 
where there's lots of brass built into the house.

Disadvantages:
1. Cost.  From the metal supply business where I acquire all of my project 
materials out of the scrap piles at waste metal prices, brass and copper are 
about twice the cost per pound of AL, which means the metal for any given 
project will cost about 6x as much as AL.
2. Fasteners.  For esthetic reasons and prevention of galvanic corrosion, I 
prefer to use brass or copper fasteners. You can buy copper pop rivets, but not 
from many sources. (McMaster-Carr has 'em if your local hardware doesn't.)
3. Maintenance:  any brass or copper enclosure will oxidize over time unless 
coated with lacquer or painted (e.g. black to match Elecraft line). Or you have 
to polish it, which is essentially impossible due to knobs and knob labels.
4. Extrusions (e.g. L shapes for use on edges of box) and almost impossible to 
find, so if you need them you have to roll your own. 


73

Lew N6LEW


On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:02 AM, Mike K2MK k...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi Jim,
 
 As a point of curiosity here's a posting from Wayne (04/15/2010) describing
 the reason for using steel in the P3 enclosure:
 
 /The P3 enclosure is being fabricated entirely from corrosion-resistant  
 steel (plated before painting) rather than aluminum. Production and  
 field test units will weigh about twice as much as the prototype you  
 tried out (about 5 pounds).
 
 Besides making the unit heavy enough to not slide when you push the  
 buttons, the steel enclosure will reduce EMI generally -- in or out.  
 The use of steel also makes the enclosure very strong, so that you  
 could, if you wanted, put a heavy 20 A linear power supply inside to  
 power the K3, etc. While we don't have any current plan to offer an  
 optional internal power supply for the P3, some of us (including me)  
 will be rolling our own. In my case it will free up some valuable desk  
 space. (Anyone need a Samlex power supply? Pick-up only!)
 
 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR
 /
 
 
 Jim AB3CV wrote
 Just was playing around with a magnet and noticed that the KAT500, KPA500
 and P3 all have some of their panels made of steel rather than aluminum.
 
 I've been wondering how to keep some of my little homebrew boxes from
 sliding around yet blended with the K-Line feng shui. The steel top of the
 P3 looks like it will become the next resting place for a consolidation
 box
 of boxes and a magnetic base would keep it from sliding around when
 buttons
 are pressed.
 
 Nice!
 
 jim ab3cv
 
 
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] Steel in some K-line enclosures

2013-02-24 Thread Jim Miller
Just was playing around with a magnet and noticed that the KAT500, KPA500
and P3 all have some of their panels made of steel rather than aluminum.

I've been wondering how to keep some of my little homebrew boxes from
sliding around yet blended with the K-Line feng shui. The steel top of the
P3 looks like it will become the next resting place for a consolidation box
of boxes and a magnetic base would keep it from sliding around when buttons
are pressed.

Nice!

jim ab3cv
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