Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-27 Thread John/K4WJ
Is anyone beside me having a problem connecting to either of the two URLs
that Ed lists below? I connected to the first one just fine but when I tried
to connect to the Rubidium.htm page I was blocked and the I couldn't even
connect to www.kl7uw.com. I'm wondering if I have a problem here or at Ed's
end. 

John / K4WJ ex KN8PXG K8PXG K8WJ ZF2HZ

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward
R Cole
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:25 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3
and XV transverters

Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v triangular wave
at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So use a well
filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).
http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
for details
Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the OCXO.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
 Kits made by KL7UW
Dubus Mag business:
 dubus...@gmail.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-27 Thread Matt Zilmer
John,

I take it all back.  There's a script running on the KL7UW page that
simulates some type of ransomware.  It's not very pretty.

The script takes a few second to kick in.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:08:06 -0700, you wrote:

Might be your side of the connection.  Didn't have trouble here with
any of the URLs.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:51:36 -0400, you wrote:

Is anyone beside me having a problem connecting to either of the two URLs
that Ed lists below? I connected to the first one just fine but when I tried
to connect to the Rubidium.htm page I was blocked and the I couldn't even
connect to www.kl7uw.com. I'm wondering if I have a problem here or at Ed's
end. 

John / K4WJ ex KN8PXG K8PXG K8WJ ZF2HZ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward
R Cole
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:25 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3
and XV transverters

Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v triangular wave
at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So use a well
filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).
http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
for details
Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the OCXO.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
 Kits made by KL7UW
Dubus Mag business:
 dubus...@gmail.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-27 Thread Sebastian
It does look as though KL7UW’s page has been hijacked.  

Please make sure if you reply to this thread, that the links are NOT included.

73 de Sebastian, W4AS




 On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Matt Zilmer mzil...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 
 John,
 
 I take it all back.  There's a script running on the KL7UW page that
 simulates some type of ransomware.  It's not very pretty.
 
 The script takes a few second to kick in.
 
 73,
 matt W6NIA

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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-27 Thread Ray Sills
Indeed so.  Avoid that link at all costs.  Ed's page has been hacked.   
Sorry, Ed.  You need to get your ISP to purge your account.


73 de Ray
K2ULR

On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote:


John,

I take it all back.  There's a script running on the KL7UW page that
simulates some type of ransomware.  It's not very pretty.

The script takes a few second to kick in.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:08:06 -0700, you wrote:


Might be your side of the connection.  Didn't have trouble here with
any of the URLs.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:51:36 -0400, you wrote:

Is anyone beside me having a problem connecting to either of the  
two URLs
that Ed lists below? I connected to the first one just fine but  
when I tried
to connect to the Rubidium.htm page I was blocked and the I  
couldn't even
connect to www.kl7uw.com. I'm wondering if I have a problem here  
or at Ed's

end.

John / K4WJ ex KN8PXG K8PXG K8WJ ZF2HZ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf  
Of Edward

R Cole
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:25 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for  
KX3, K3

and XV transverters

Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v  
triangular wave

at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So use a well
filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).
http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
for details
Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the  
OCXO.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
   Kits made by KL7UW
Dubus Mag business:
   dubus...@gmail.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-27 Thread Ray Sills
At least, by force quit I can exit, and relaunch Safari.  Looks like  
my browser is operating OK.  I have others to use anyway.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Ray Sills wrote:

Indeed so.  Avoid that link at all costs.  Ed's page has been  
hacked.  Sorry, Ed.  You need to get your ISP to purge your account.


73 de Ray
K2ULR

On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote:


John,

I take it all back.  There's a script running on the KL7UW page that
simulates some type of ransomware.  It's not very pretty.

The script takes a few second to kick in.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:08:06 -0700, you wrote:


Might be your side of the connection.  Didn't have trouble here with
any of the URLs.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:51:36 -0400, you wrote:

Is anyone beside me having a problem connecting to either of the  
two URLs
that Ed lists below? I connected to the first one just fine but  
when I tried
to connect to the Rubidium.htm page I was blocked and the I  
couldn't even
connect to www.kl7uw.com. I'm wondering if I have a problem here  
or at Ed's

end.

John / K4WJ ex KN8PXG K8PXG K8WJ ZF2HZ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On  
Behalf Of Edward

R Cole
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:25 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock  
for KX3, K3

and XV transverters

Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v  
triangular wave

at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So use a well
filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).
http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
for details
Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the  
OCXO.


73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
  Kits made by KL7UW
Dubus Mag business:
  dubus...@gmail.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-23 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)
A question regarding the DOCXO, double ovenized crystal oscillator to Chuck,
W7CS. I'm completely new to this, but after having looked at a few in ebay,
I see that they have an input for frequency control. 

Do you use them as is, or do you calibrate them by setting the control
voltage? And how much variation in frequency is typical to achieve with this
control voltage, ie how much off frequency can they be if unadjusted?

Thanks,




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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-23 Thread David G4DMP
Have a look at this, Sverre, it will tell you all you want to know.

http://www.ve2azx.net/technical/MV89A-1.pdf

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) la...@nrrl.no writes
A question regarding the DOCXO, double ovenized crystal oscillator to Chuck,
W7CS. I'm completely new to this, but after having looked at a few in ebay,
I see that they have an input for frequency control.

Do you use them as is, or do you calibrate them by setting the control
voltage? And how much variation in frequency is typical to achieve with this
control voltage, ie how much off frequency can they be if unadjusted?

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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-23 Thread Edward R Cole

Everything you need to know for setting up a surplus OCXO:
http://www.kl7uw.com/10MHzREF.jpg
one caveat the power cube was a mistake as it output a 0.5v 
triangular wave at 120-Hz riding on the 12vdc output -not good.  So 
use a well filtered-regulated 12v PS instead (battery optional).

http://www.kl7uw.com/Rubidium.htm
for details
Big heat sink is for the Rubidium standard and not needed for the OCXO.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
Kits made by KL7UW
Dubus Mag business:
dubus...@gmail.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-22 Thread Chuck Smallhouse
GPS stabilized 10 MHz crystal oscillators are really an overkill, to 
be references for todays transceivers.


A good DOCXO, double ovenized crystal oscillator, is more than 
adequate, some even claiming accuracies of 10 parts to the -11th 
.   I have purchased several, through Internet advertisers, for well 
under $50, including shipping from Chinese surplus dealers.  These 
are usually American or Russian surplus units, that are being resold 
through these sources.  I've had repeatedly good and fast service 
from them.   Some of these advertise on E-Bay.


I also have Thunderbird and HP GPS stabilized units, as well as 
Rubidium standards, that could be used.  I find that their bulk, 
complexity and extra wiring is cumbersome and unnecessary, for even 
up to and including my 10 GHz operations.


On my K3/10, which I use for a lot of my V/U/ uW xvrtr needs, as an 
IF xcvr,  I even mount an OCXO, dead bug style to the inside of the 
'blank' rear panel of the K3/10 (with Goop adhesive), and run it's 
output to an SMA feed through connector.   I can then either use a 
SMA jumper cable to connect to the EXREF input, or to a power 
splitter, to also to be used as a 10MHz reference for my 
xvrtr(s).  This certainly makes a very simple and compact solution.


Chuck,  W7CS

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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-21 Thread Slava Baytalskiy
Count me in!
Ever since i got that REF board - i've been looking for that elusive Trimble 
unit.
People had told me that eBay is full of them for like $70.
Yeah, right! Maybe 10 years ago...
Now, they're about $200-300 depending on power supply availability, and you 
can't even find them...
So, yeah, i want this board to work!
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On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:48 AM, John Lawrence via Elecraft 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote:

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Bob
 The Trimble Thunderbolt is scarce on the used market and when they appear the 
 price is painful.  They were designed and manufactured for the BB wireless 
 and cellular market when the industry switched from analog to digital 
 synchronized cell sites.  I was part of that out business.  
 
 
 We need a compatible module that will work with the Elecraft products.  Today 
 there are chips that reduce to complexity and price that would make it 
 possible to have a product that will reach the Elecraft user base of 
 customers.  
 
 
 John, W1QS
 
 
 
 Not that I had a need but I did instal the K3EXREF with a Trimble 
 Thunderbolt 
 GPSDO. So I have the 10MHZ reference available.
 
 I also have no present need for the XV144  XV432 to be locked to that 
 external reference. However were a kit available to do it I would purchase 
 the 
 kit/accessory to do so.
 
 i would like to see it as a product.
 
 73,
 Bob
 K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956)  K2TKR
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-21 Thread David Anderson
A couple of ham designs, which you can buy, not cheap, but good quality.

http://rudius.net/oz2m/ngnb/gps.htm

http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm

Some more ideas:

http://www.g4jnt.com/freqlock.htm

73

David Anderson GM4JJJ 

 On 21 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com wrote:
 
 Count me in!
 Ever since i got that REF board - i've been looking for that elusive Trimble 
 unit.
 People had told me that eBay is full of them for like $70.
 Yeah, right! Maybe 10 years ago...
 Now, they're about $200-300 depending on power supply availability, and you 
 can't even find them...
 So, yeah, i want this board to work!
 __
 Slava (Sal) B, W2RMS
 w2...@arrl.net
 
 On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:48 AM, John Lawrence via Elecraft 
 elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Bob
 The Trimble Thunderbolt is scarce on the used market and when they appear 
 the price is painful.  They were designed and manufactured for the BB 
 wireless and cellular market when the industry switched from analog to 
 digital synchronized cell sites.  I was part of that out business.  
 
 
 We need a compatible module that will work with the Elecraft products.  
 Today there are chips that reduce to complexity and price that would make it 
 possible to have a product that will reach the Elecraft user base of 
 customers.  
 
 
 John, W1QS
 
 
 
 Not that I had a need but I did instal the K3EXREF with a Trimble 
 Thunderbolt 
 GPSDO. So I have the 10MHZ reference available.
 
 I also have no present need for the XV144  XV432 to be locked to that 
 external reference. However were a kit available to do it I would purchase 
 the 
 kit/accessory to do so.
 
 i would like to see it as a product.
 
 73,
 Bob
 K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956)  K2TKR
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-21 Thread Charles Johnson
They are still available on eBay: search Nortel Trimble” and the first item 
that comes up is a complete unit with GPS antenna. I bought one and it works 
perfectly and produces a 10 Mhz output for the K3EXREF board. Needs a 24 VDC 
supply. GUI software is available from KE5FX website.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ


On Aug 21, 2014, at 11:02 AM, David Anderson gm4...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 A couple of ham designs, which you can buy, not cheap, but good quality.
 
 http://rudius.net/oz2m/ngnb/gps.htm
 
 http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm
 
 Some more ideas:
 
 http://www.g4jnt.com/freqlock.htm
 
 73
 
 David Anderson GM4JJJ 
 
 On 21 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Slava Baytalskiy sla...@nullserv.com wrote:
 
 Count me in!
 Ever since i got that REF board - i've been looking for that elusive Trimble 
 unit.
 People had told me that eBay is full of them for like $70.
 Yeah, right! Maybe 10 years ago...
 Now, they're about $200-300 depending on power supply availability, and you 
 can't even find them...
 So, yeah, i want this board to work!
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 On Aug 20, 2014, at 8:48 AM, John Lawrence via Elecraft 
 elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Bob
 The Trimble Thunderbolt is scarce on the used market and when they appear 
 the price is painful.  They were designed and manufactured for the BB 
 wireless and cellular market when the industry switched from analog to 
 digital synchronized cell sites.  I was part of that out business.  
 
 
 We need a compatible module that will work with the Elecraft products.  
 Today there are chips that reduce to complexity and price that would make 
 it possible to have a product that will reach the Elecraft user base of 
 customers.  
 
 
 John, W1QS
 
 
 
 Not that I had a need but I did instal the K3EXREF with a Trimble 
 Thunderbolt 
 GPSDO. So I have the 10MHZ reference available.
 
 I also have no present need for the XV144  XV432 to be locked to that 
 external reference. However were a kit available to do it I would purchase 
 the 
 kit/accessory to do so.
 
 i would like to see it as a product.
 
 73,
 Bob
 K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956)  K2TKR
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-21 Thread Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft
The newer Trimble Thunderbolt requires +24VDC, but some of the
older units on E-Bay, etc. may require +5VDC, +12VDC and -12VDC,
which can be obtained from a simple/inexpensive power supply.
(I used a Meanwell NET-35B). It outputs a 10MHz sine wave (which
plugs into the K3EXREF) as well as 1pps logic signal. Trimble also
makes/made an active antenna, which I also found on E-Bay, which
is a small square about 2 in/5 cm square and has an internal preamp
powered by +5V supplied on the Thunderbolt's antenna jack. I've
been running one for about a year now, and it maintains the 10MHz
to within about 30 parts per trillion, depending on how many satellites
are regularly visible - I usually see 8 or 9 in south Florida and 5-6
in the mountains of western North Carolina.
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Re: [Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-21 Thread Fred Jensen

How do you know that?

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 8/21/2014 11:27 AM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft wrote:


I've
been running one for about a year now, and it maintains the 10MHz
to within about 30 parts per trillion, depending on how many satellites
are regularly visible


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[Elecraft] Synchronized and stable GPS phase lock for KX3, K3 and XV transverters

2014-08-20 Thread John Lawrence via Elecraft


 





Bob
The Trimble Thunderbolt is scarce on the used market and when they appear the 
price is painful.  They were designed and manufactured for the BB wireless and 
cellular market when the industry switched from analog to digital synchronized 
cell sites.  I was part of that out business.  


We need a compatible module that will work with the Elecraft products.  Today 
there are chips that reduce to complexity and price that would make it possible 
to have a product that will reach the Elecraft user base of customers.  


John, W1QS



Not that I had a need but I did instal the K3EXREF with a Trimble Thunderbolt 
GPSDO. So I have the 10MHZ reference available.

I also have no present need for the XV144  XV432 to be locked to that 
external reference. However were a kit available to do it I would purchase the 
kit/accessory to do so.

i would like to see it as a product.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956)  K2TKR





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