Re: [Elecraft] THE EFFORT OF FIELD DAY

[Joe Moffatt]

For everyone that complains about kids and their X Boxes, etc, I have a simple 
question for you.  Have you ever asked them to participate with you in an event 
like FD?

Guess what, some of the kids LOVE it.  They like to be included and wanted.
Not all kids are that way, but there are more than you think.  In fact, I have 
found some of the more gadgety kids take a real interest in CW.  They find 
using a key to spell their name very intriguing.

Next time you have an event, ask them to come eat some free food and tinker 
around with you.

joe



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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] THE EFFORT OF FIELD DAY

I am happy to report that my 11 year old son, who plays on a PS4, a Xbox,
and his own computer, participated in FD at my local club's operation for
his first time.

He made 63 Qs with help from Dear Old Dad on the GOTA station. He is also
studying for his Technician class license.

He said over and over again, "Best weekend ever!" to both his mother and
me. He's already planning for next year.

BTW, we had two other youths at the site who have been hams for years now.
They both have very active lives outside of ham radio, but they still love
the hobby.

Don't give up on our youth! Ham radio still holds appeal!

73, Tony K4QE (licensed at age 14 over 37 years ago)


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Re: [Elecraft] THE EFFORT OF FIELD DAY

[Walter Underwood]

Yeah? Check out this coverage on WGNO with a twelve year old General at Field 
Day (KG5HVO). The Jefferson Amateur Radio Club should get a thousand extra 
points for this coverage.

http://wgno.com/2016/06/26/arrl-field-day-2016/ 


And the club:

http://w5gad.org/2016/05/30/arrl-field-day-2016/ 


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CM87wj
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Re: [Elecraft] THE EFFORT OF FIELD DAY

[Anthony Scandurra]

I am happy to report that my 11 year old son, who plays on a PS4, a Xbox,
and his own computer, participated in FD at my local club's operation for
his first time.

He made 63 Qs with help from Dear Old Dad on the GOTA station.  He is also
studying for his Technician class license.

He said over and over again, "Best weekend ever!" to both his mother and
me.  He's already planning for next year.

BTW, we had two other youths at the site who have been hams for years now.
They both have very active lives outside of ham radio, but they still love
the hobby.

Don't give up on our youth!  Ham radio still holds appeal!

73, Tony K4QE (licensed at age 14 over 37 years ago)


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Re: [Elecraft] THE EFFORT OF FIELD DAY

[Scott Simpson]

as the young guy in my club (37) i feel like i put up more antennas and
carried more stuff than i should have in the south texas heat and humidity!

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Re: [Elecraft] THE EFFORT OF FIELD DAY

[Bill]

"Bring on the youngsters?"  Sure - If you can tear them away 
from their smart phones and XBoxes!


Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] THE EFFORT OF FIELD DAY

[Howard Hoyt]

Hi Kent,

Funny you should mention this idea of minimizing effort, our crew had 
discussed this exact issue this year...of course we blamed it on the 
90+° and humidity, but it is true, we should all be aware of our 
limitations as we agebring on the youngsters!


Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC


On 6/27/2016 4:20 PM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
I can only shake my head in awe of Howie's 8-transmitter FD, as well 
as other double-digit multi-transmitter operations .  My hat's off to 
that kind of effort, believe me.


We used to do that, too.

But several years ago the Mid-MO Amateur Radio Club (NØSS) of 
Jefferson City, Missouri, decided on wire-only Field Days.  We did so 
for several reasons . . . (1) those doing the work are aging;  (2) 
those doing the work have no business being in the sun very long;  (3) 
those doing the work are usually those doing the operating;  (4) 
Missouri weather always throws 90-degrees and 100% humidity at us;  
and (5) none of us enjoy the labor of putting metal things together 
only to take them apart again.


Aside from Qs and scores, the goal for me (at 71)  is getting the darn 
things up as fast as possible on Friday evening, seeing them stay up 
for the duration, and getting the heck out of there when it's over.  
To that end, erection of three OCF dipoles on 30-foot masts aligned 
end-to-end with 50-feet of separation took 45 minutes.  Tear-down and 
site clean-up took exactly 33-minutes.


/THOSE/ are the reasons our 25-man crew happily stays at 2A!

Equipment-wise, we use nothing but K3s (one each for CW, SSB, GOTA, 
VHF).  The CW and SSB rigs were often on the same bands at the same 
time with no interference, no phase noise, and no activation of 
carrier-operated relays.  Both HF stations stayed busy all weekend.


Again, my salute to the big clubs, the big antenna farms, and the big 
scores.


But I suspect our level of fun was the same, with a whale of a lot 
/less/ effort.


73,

Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
Jefferson City, Missouri









On 6/27/2016 1:35 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
This Field Day I operated once again with W4EZ the Orange County 
Radio Amateurs in Hillsborough, NC in an 8A effort.  It was a lot of 
work setting up 6 towers and many wire antennas in mid-90° heat and 
high humidity but the end result was a lot of fun and Qs.


Despite our best efforts at eliminating cross-interference between 
stations beforehand by antenna placement, we suffered quite a bit of 
in-band phase noise interference.  All three CW stations and one SSB 
station were using K3s, and no K3 station ever interfered with anyone 
else or with each other.  Much credit is due to Elecraft for the 
transmit purity and receive performance of this superb rig. However, 
we experienced some pretty severe in-band phase noise interference 
ranging from S3-4 on 40 and 20M from various YaeComWood rigs, to an 
ear-shattering received S8-9 from a TS-570 running SSB on 15M when 
the noise floor was S0.  Granted, with relatively close antenna 
spacing Field Day is a torture test for transmit purity, but 
sometimes it was difficult to tolerate...or operate.


Many of us now agree we would optimally be an all K3 Field Day next 
year but that is most likely out of the question.  I am a big fan of 
the KX3, although for Field Day purposes it would be great if its 
phase noise was 10-20 dB less; more in line with that of the K3. That 
being said, a KX3 running digi caused less interference than just 
about all the non-Elecraft rigs.


One problem solving this scenario is the political issue of trying to 
tell someone they cannot bring their rig to the party.   We did 
discuss holding a testing session next year to evaluate phase noise 
beforehand and accept or deny use of the rig based on performance, 
and maybe this will be viewed as being more impartial.  After 
witnessing the problem first-hand, at least one op said he was 
intending to get an Elecraft rig. Elecraft owners are in the minority 
overall, so instead of Field Day being an inclusive club event, 
telling people it will be K3 only would achieve the opposite.


Other than the phase noise issue, FD was once again a lot of fun and 
camaraderie!


Cheers & 73,
Howie - WA4PSC
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[Elecraft] THE EFFORT OF FIELD DAY

[KENT TRIMBLE]

I can only shake my head in awe of Howie's 8-transmitter FD, as well as 
other double-digit multi-transmitter operations .  My hat's off to that 
kind of effort, believe me.


We used to do that, too.

But several years ago the Mid-MO Amateur Radio Club (NØSS) of Jefferson 
City, Missouri, decided on wire-only Field Days.  We did so for several 
reasons . . . (1) those doing the work are aging; (2) those doing the 
work have no business being in the sun very long;  (3) those doing the 
work are usually those doing the operating;  (4) Missouri weather always 
throws 90-degrees and 100% humidity at us;  and (5) none of us enjoy the 
labor of putting metal things together only to take them apart again.


Aside from Qs and scores, the goal for me (at 71)  is getting the darn 
things up as fast as possible on Friday evening, seeing them stay up for 
the duration, and getting the heck out of there when it's over.  To that 
end, erection of three OCF dipoles on 30-foot masts aligned end-to-end 
with 50-feet of separation took 45 minutes.  Tear-down and site clean-up 
took exactly 33-minutes.


/THOSE/ are the reasons our 25-man crew happily stays at 2A!

Equipment-wise, we use nothing but K3s (one each for CW, SSB, GOTA, 
VHF).  The CW and SSB rigs were often on the same bands at the same time 
with no interference, no phase noise, and no activation of 
carrier-operated relays.  Both HF stations stayed busy all weekend.


Again, my salute to the big clubs, the big antenna farms, and the big 
scores.


But I suspect our level of fun was the same, with a whale of a lot 
/less/ effort.


73,

Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
Jefferson City, Missouri









On 6/27/2016 1:35 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
This Field Day I operated once again with W4EZ the Orange County Radio 
Amateurs in Hillsborough, NC in an 8A effort. It was a lot of work 
setting up 6 towers and many wire antennas in mid-90° heat and high 
humidity but the end result was a lot of fun and Qs.


Despite our best efforts at eliminating cross-interference between 
stations beforehand by antenna placement, we suffered quite a bit of 
in-band phase noise interference.  All three CW stations and one SSB 
station were using K3s, and no K3 station ever interfered with anyone 
else or with each other.  Much credit is due to Elecraft for the 
transmit purity and receive performance of this superb rig. However, 
we experienced some pretty severe in-band phase noise interference 
ranging from S3-4 on 40 and 20M from various YaeComWood rigs, to an 
ear-shattering received S8-9 from a TS-570 running SSB on 15M when the 
noise floor was S0.  Granted, with relatively close antenna spacing 
Field Day is a torture test for transmit purity, but sometimes it was 
difficult to tolerate...or operate.


Many of us now agree we would optimally be an all K3 Field Day next 
year but that is most likely out of the question.  I am a big fan of 
the KX3, although for Field Day purposes it would be great if its 
phase noise was 10-20 dB less; more in line with that of the K3. That 
being said, a KX3 running digi caused less interference than just 
about all the non-Elecraft rigs.


One problem solving this scenario is the political issue of trying to 
tell someone they cannot bring their rig to the party.   We did 
discuss holding a testing session next year to evaluate phase noise 
beforehand and accept or deny use of the rig based on performance, and 
maybe this will be viewed as being more impartial.  After witnessing 
the problem first-hand, at least one op said he was intending to get 
an Elecraft rig.  Elecraft owners are in the minority overall, so 
instead of Field Day being an inclusive club event, telling people it 
will be K3 only would achieve the opposite.


Other than the phase noise issue, FD was once again a lot of fun and 
camaraderie!


Cheers & 73,
Howie - WA4PSC
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