Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Keith Trinity WE6R]

Anyone that posted in this thread after Eric's post, that were not 
discussing the TS-980 vs K4D, were inappropriate.

(except mine of course)
I stepped in only because folks kept bickering and I am list Manager.

Contemplate it this way; What if every 7,000 plus members jumped in with 
their comments that had nothing to do with the topic.

How would anyone be able to find info pertinent to the topic?

You know what Eric meant.
Folks have appropriately emailed me directly, that is fine, shoot may 
any questions or if you just want to vent.


Please let's get back to discussing radios.
I believe there are some list guidelines from Eric in the Archives, if 
someone can search and email it to me directly, that would be great.


(Ham-Radio pays my mortgage!) hi hi
I have plenty of work here to get folks their radios.
Thanks,
Keith WE6R list Manager
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[G4GNX]

Well said Mark and thanks for doing so.

I also monitor several Elecraft groups. Because, like you, I have other 
Elecraft equipment.

One thing I would ask of any new subscribers to our K4 group is that you supply 
both your name and callsign. This saves us a lot of problems trying to verify 
genuine members, or having to email the prospective member, asking for info.

73,
Alan - G4GNX
South Coast UK
Elecraft K4D / KPA500 / KAT500 / IC-9700
(Admin/Owner K4 Group)


73,
Alan - G4GNX
South Coast UK
Elecraft K4D / KPA500 / KAT500 / IC-9700

>> On 25 Oct 2023, at 00:20, Mark Musick  wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> As I mentioned in an earlier post to John, WB5THT, this reflector is really 
>> not the place to discuss at any length anything about the K4/K4D. There is a 
>> dedicated reflector for that at Elecraft-K4 @groups.io.
>> Bob, N6TV one of the K4 testers is on that reflector and answers many 
>> questions. I'm not saying the K4 shouldn't be discussed here. I'm just 
>> pointing out that on the K4 reflector you will get a much more in depth, 
>> varied and informative answer than you will on this reflector. Most K4/K4D 
>> owners do not monitor this reflector. By the way there are over 1500 K4s out 
>> there at the point.
>> The very question of this thread was discussed at length sometime ago on the 
>> K4 reflector. The thread not only discussed a comparison to the 890, but the 
>> 7610, 990 and other radios such as ANAN.
>> Rob Sherwood is on the K4 reflector and owns an 890. He put his thoughts out 
>> about the two radios. He also discussed other radios he has used as compared 
>> to the K4. Others who have owned or do own an 890 gave their thoughts as 
>> well.
>> All one has to do is subscribe to the K4 reflector and search the archives. 
>> If you ask the question, Bob, N6TV will probably answer by providing you 
>> with the link to the thread.
>> In the files section there is a huge file that has many questions and 
>> answers that have appeared on the reflector. Also, many questions on 
>> programming macros etc. also exist in the files section.
>> If you are wondering why I monitor this reflector, I have a K3, 2-K3S,  K2, 
>> KPA500, KAT500 and KPA1500. This is the place where that equipment is 
>> discussed. As to my K4D I monitor both reflectors. Quite honestly, I can't 
>> ever remember a K4 question being asked here that wasn't already asked and 
>> answered on the K4 reflector.
>> By the way you don't have to own a K4 to join the reflector. Anyone 
>> interested in the K4, weather they own one or not, is welcome.
>> Those are my thoughts Gentlemen. I'll go back to sleep now.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Mark, WB9CIF
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Mark Musick]

Guys,
As I mentioned in an earlier post to John, WB5THT, this reflector is really not 
the place to discuss at any length anything about the K4/K4D. There is a 
dedicated reflector for that at Elecraft-K4 @groups.io.
Bob, N6TV one of the K4 testers is on that reflector and answers many 
questions. I'm not saying the K4 shouldn't be discussed here. I'm just pointing 
out that on the K4 reflector you will get a much more in depth, varied and 
informative answer than you will on this reflector. Most K4/K4D owners do not 
monitor this reflector. By the way there are over 1500 K4s out there at the 
point.
The very question of this thread was discussed at length sometime ago on the K4 
reflector. The thread not only discussed a comparison to the 890, but the 7610, 
990 and other radios such as ANAN.
Rob Sherwood is on the K4 reflector and owns an 890. He put his thoughts out 
about the two radios. He also discussed other radios he has used as compared to 
the K4. Others who have owned or do own an 890 gave their thoughts as well.
All one has to do is subscribe to the K4 reflector and search the archives. If 
you ask the question, Bob, N6TV will probably answer by providing you with the 
link to the thread.
In the files section there is a huge file that has many questions and answers 
that have appeared on the reflector. Also, many questions on programming macros 
etc. also exist in the files section.
If you are wondering why I monitor this reflector, I have a K3, 2-K3S,  K2, 
KPA500, KAT500 and KPA1500. This is the place where that equipment is 
discussed. As to my K4D I monitor both reflectors. Quite honestly, I can't ever 
remember a K4 question being asked here that wasn't already asked and answered 
on the K4 reflector.
By the way you don't have to own a K4 to join the reflector. Anyone interested 
in the K4, weather they own one or not, is welcome.
Those are my thoughts Gentlemen. I'll go back to sleep now.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of John Stengrevics
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 20:06
To: j...@kk9a.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

I would very much like to read a comparison from someone who has had the 
opportunity to run both rigs.

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Oct 24, 2023, at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
>
> I do not see where Eric said to close this thread.  He said it is perfectly
> OK comparing another manufacture's product to an Elecraft one.   I do not
> think anyone really answered WB5THT's question.
>
> John KK9A
>
>
>
> [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?
> Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
>
> Guys GUYS! ... guess where I learned this :) Eric asked that everyone
> stop posting about this and CLOSED the thread Monday!
> Please read his post below.
> If you need to comment, send me a private email as several folks have done.
>
> Keith WE6R, list manager and K3/K4 Tech (I have radios to repair...
> and play with)
>
> 
>
> Folks - It is perfectly OK to have -civil- discussions here comparing
> our rigs to other rigs (within a reasonable length.) .
>
> And it's ok to post Elecraft products for sale here.
>
> It is NOT OK to be rude or get personal and criticize other's postings.
>
> if you have a complaint about a posting email our list manager, keith
> at elecraft.com
> <http://mailm/
> an.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft=05%7C01%7C%7C850e19304
> c994273bdb608dbd4cce608%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6
> 38337748725032938%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoi
> V2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=yJGJsyTmu
> Dm8li7pnWQY7Eli8DhvZTlE8YKCQcdn1LQ%3D=0>
>
> Please stop the complaints criticizing what others should not post
> IMMEDIATELY, or I will put the whole list on emergency moderation.
>
> Eric   WA6HHQ
> CEO, List moderator, etc.
> *elecraft.com
> <http://elecr/
> aft.com%2F=05%7C01%7C%7C850e19304c994273bdb608dbd4cce608%7C84df9e
> 7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638337748725032938%7CUnknown%7CTW
> FpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6
> Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=EtTU%2F2u%2BwEi%2BSHZUH9Xpon46BEXMDY9v6id
> daby8cZs%3D=0>*
>
> __
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home:
> http://mailma/
> n.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft=05%7C01%7C%7C850e19304c
> 994273bdb608dbd4cce608%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63
> 8337748725032938%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV
> 2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=yJGJsyTmuD
> m8li7pnWQY7Eli8DhvZTlE8YKCQcdn1LQ%3D=0
> Help:
> http://mailma/
> n.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm=05%7C01%7C%7C850e19304c994273bdb608dbd4cce6
> 08%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[John Stengrevics]

I would very much like to read a comparison from someone who has had the 
opportunity to run both rigs.

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Oct 24, 2023, at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
> 
> I do not see where Eric said to close this thread.  He said it is perfectly
> OK comparing another manufacture's product to an Elecraft one.   I do not
> think anyone really answered WB5THT's question.
> 
> John KK9A 
> 
> 
> 
> [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?
> Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:
> 
> Guys GUYS! ... guess where I learned this :)
> Eric asked that everyone stop posting about this and CLOSED the thread 
> Monday!
> Please read his post below.
> If you need to comment, send me a private email as several folks have done.
> 
> Keith WE6R, list manager and K3/K4 Tech (I have radios to repair... and 
> play with)
> 
> 
> 
> Folks - It is perfectly OK to have -civil- discussions here comparing our
> rigs to other rigs (within a reasonable length.) .
> 
> And it's ok to post Elecraft products for sale here.
> 
> It is NOT OK to be rude or get personal and criticize other's postings.
> 
> if you have a complaint about a posting email our list manager,
> keith at elecraft.com  <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>
> 
> Please stop the complaints criticizing what others should not post
> IMMEDIATELY, or I will put the whole list on emergency moderation.
> 
> Eric   WA6HHQ
> CEO, List moderator, etc.
> *elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com>*
> 
> __
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to jstengrev...@comcast.net

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[john]

I do not see where Eric said to close this thread.  He said it is perfectly
OK comparing another manufacture's product to an Elecraft one.   I do not
think anyone really answered WB5THT's question.

John KK9A 



[Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?
Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:

Guys GUYS! ... guess where I learned this :)
Eric asked that everyone stop posting about this and CLOSED the thread 
Monday!
Please read his post below.
If you need to comment, send me a private email as several folks have done.

Keith WE6R, list manager and K3/K4 Tech (I have radios to repair... and 
play with)



Folks - It is perfectly OK to have -civil- discussions here comparing our
rigs to other rigs (within a reasonable length.) .

And it's ok to post Elecraft products for sale here.

It is NOT OK to be rude or get personal and criticize other's postings.

if you have a complaint about a posting email our list manager,
keith at elecraft.com  <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>

Please stop the complaints criticizing what others should not post
IMMEDIATELY, or I will put the whole list on emergency moderation.

Eric   WA6HHQ
CEO, List moderator, etc.
*elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com>*

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[John Canfield]

Thank you Eric. I certainly didn't want to start a conflagration on the 
list, I do appreciate you stepping in here. I used the K3 reflector 
because I have a K3s and this is the one I'm subscribed to and read.


As a slight tangent I've noticed in the past the topics have 
occasionally wandered around and I just skip the ones I'm not interested 
in, perhaps a good policy for the users here?


73 de John WB5THT


--

Message: 17
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:20:08 -0700
From: Eric Swartz 
To: Toast 
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Folks - It is perfectly OK to have -civil- discussions here comparing our
rigs to other rigs (within a reasonable length.) .

And it's ok to post Elecraft products for sale here.

It is NOT OK to be rude or get personal and criticize other's postings.

if you have a complaint about a posting email our list manager,
ke...@elecraft.com

Please stop the complaints criticizing what others should not post
IMMEDIATELY, or I will put the whole list on emergency moderation.

Eric   WA6HHQ
CEO, List moderator, etc.
*elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com>*



On Oct 23, 2023, at 2:02?PM,

?LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various

un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even
BEGIN to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.

This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss

ELECRAFT gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.

IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very

pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods.  Because
if you are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not know what
you don't know.

Be well!

Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian

crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot
until you capitulate.

Have a good day.
lecraft.com 


--

Message: 18
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 13:27:03 -0500
From: Lou Laderman 
To: Andrew Moore 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?
Message-ID: <3810016e-d4cc-446a-a764-1790a6e4f...@icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

This back and forth isn?t helpful folks. Sometimes opinions about another?s 
post are better held privately than to perpetuated in an endless email chain of 
ill-will.

73, Lou W0FK


Lou Laderman
Sent from my mobile device

On Oct 23, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Moore  wrote:

?Lashing out is an indication of an unrelated underlying issue. Feelings of
inadequacy or inferiority. Real or imagined.

73,
-Andrew NV1B
..



On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 2:02?PM Clay Autery  wrote:


LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various
un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even
BEGIN to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.

This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss
ELECRAFT gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.

IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very
pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods.
Because if you are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not
know what you don't know.

Be well!

Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian
crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot
until you capitulate.

Have a good day.

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 10/23/2023 11:14 AM, Toast wrote:

I came to this list to have honest conversations about the comparison of

Elecraft equipment vs other manufacturers.  I prefer to live without my
head in the sand.

Rob Mantz
NR4B

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:22?AM, Clay Autery  wrote:

?I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your

Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to andrew.n...@gmail.com

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to llader...@icloud.com

--

Message: 19
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:56:13 -0500
From: "Dr. William J. Schmidt" 
To: 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?
M

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Keith Trinity WE6R]

Guys GUYS! ... guess where I learned this :)
Eric asked that everyone stop posting about this and CLOSED the thread 
Monday!

Please read his post below.
If you need to comment, send me a private email as several folks have done.

Keith WE6R, list manager and K3/K4 Tech (I have radios to repair... and 
play with)




Folks - It is perfectly OK to have -civil- discussions here comparing our
rigs to other rigs (within a reasonable length.) .

And it's ok to post Elecraft products for sale here.

It is NOT OK to be rude or get personal and criticize other's postings.

if you have a complaint about a posting email our list manager,
keith at elecraft.com  

Please stop the complaints criticizing what others should not post
IMMEDIATELY, or I will put the whole list on emergency moderation.

Eric   WA6HHQ
CEO, List moderator, etc.
*elecraft.com *





__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Wes]

He's an Elecraft fanboy with an Expert 1K-FA amplifier in his shack.

On 10/23/2023 11:12 AM, David Gilbert wrote:


How very boorish of you.  The original post (read it below) specifically asked 
for comparison information, and Wes merely answered.


You are the consummate Elecraft fanboy here and that's fine. but don't try to 
impose your perspective on everyone else.


Dave   AB7E

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Clay Autery]

Almost never, unless it is a new product that was not available at the 
time of original purchase.
I do my research, analysis, comparison shopping, etc. /before/ I buy.  
Saves a lot of mistakes and regrets.  


For instance, I spent about 6 months researching my purchase of an ALL 
BANDS transceiver in 2016.  I chose the Elecraft K3s because overall, it 
was the best made, performing, supported transceiver line on the planet.


I arrived at that position after a great deal of research, demos, etc, 
etc.  THEN, I spent hours studying the assembly and ops manuals.  Etc, 
etc, et al. ad nauseum.


I am very deliberate in my decision-making.

Be well!

73,

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 10/23/2023 2:56 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote:

So, just asking do you ever compare what you buy against a competitor's 
products?


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 
VP2EHZ

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.
Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

email:b...@wjschmidt.com

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Clay Autery]

Pretty sure I was not talking to you.

And yes, I wrote that.  What's your point, stud?

You ever heard the rule in this group about tailing your post? Yeah, cut 
off all the extra footers and any of the conversation not required to 
continue your discussion.


And there is another rule that states that you must sign your posts with 
your Name and Call.


Be well!

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 10/23/2023 12:58 PM, Toast wrote:

In my opinion it was rude.  Speaking of putting on one’s big boy pants who was 
it that said

“I have one for sale on QRZ as part of or on its own.  I will not post it here, 
because I was openly mocked the last time I posted my stuff for sale.”

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 23, 2023, at 1:49 PM, Clay Autery  wrote:

No sir, that was not the least you could say.  You could have kept your mouth 
shut and keyboard silent.

You are also WRONG.  I was NOT rude.  I was patient and courteous.

I can assure you that you most decidedly DO NOT want me to SHOW you "rude".

Now...  pull your panties up and start acting like a grown man, not some "soy 
boy" ruled by his emotions.

Sincerely,
Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

⁣Get TypeApp for Android ​


On Oct 23, 2023, 11:59 AM, at 11:59 AM, James Bennett via Elecraft 
 wrote:
Rude, to say the least.





On Oct 23, 2023, at 9:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:

I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your

Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 10/22/2023 10:17 PM, Wes wrote:

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Jim Brown]

On 10/23/2023 2:24 PM, Linda M wrote:

Blank email. This reflector is plain text, rejects HTML

73, Jim K9YC
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Linda M]

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Dr. William J. Schmidt]

So, just asking do you ever compare what you buy against a competitor's 
products?  


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 
VP2EHZ

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.
Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

email:  b...@wjschmidt.com


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 1:00 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various 
un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even BEGIN 
to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.

This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss ELECRAFT gear. 
 Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.

IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very 
pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods. Because if you 
are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not know what you don't 
know.

Be well!

Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian 
crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot until 
you capitulate.

Have a good day.

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 10/23/2023 11:14 AM, Toast wrote:
> I came to this list to have honest conversations about the comparison of 
> Elecraft equipment vs other manufacturers.  I prefer to live without my head 
> in the sand.
>
> Rob Mantz
> NR4B
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:
>>
>> I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your Kenwoo0d 
>> stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...
>>
>> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
>> KY5G
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message 
delivered to b...@wjschmidt.com 

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Lou Laderman via Elecraft]

This back and forth isn’t helpful folks. Sometimes opinions about another’s 
post are better held privately than to perpetuated in an endless email chain of 
ill-will. 

73, Lou W0FK


Lou Laderman
Sent from my mobile device 

On Oct 23, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Moore  wrote:

Lashing out is an indication of an unrelated underlying issue. Feelings of
inadequacy or inferiority. Real or imagined.

73,
-Andrew NV1B
..



On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 2:02 PM Clay Autery  wrote:

> LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various
> un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even
> BEGIN to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.
> 
> This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss
> ELECRAFT gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.
> 
> IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very
> pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods.
> Because if you are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not
> know what you don't know.
> 
> Be well!
> 
> Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian
> crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot
> until you capitulate.
> 
> Have a good day.
> 
> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
> KY5G
> 
> On 10/23/2023 11:14 AM, Toast wrote:
>> I came to this list to have honest conversations about the comparison of
> Elecraft equipment vs other manufacturers.  I prefer to live without my
> head in the sand.
>> 
>> Rob Mantz
>> NR4B
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your
> Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...
>>> 
>>> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
>>> KY5G
> __
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to andrew.n...@gmail.com
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to llader...@icloud.com
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Eric Swartz]

Folks - It is perfectly OK to have -civil- discussions here comparing our
rigs to other rigs (within a reasonable length.) .

And it's ok to post Elecraft products for sale here.

It is NOT OK to be rude or get personal and criticize other's postings.

if you have a complaint about a posting email our list manager,
ke...@elecraft.com

Please stop the complaints criticizing what others should not post
IMMEDIATELY, or I will put the whole list on emergency moderation.

Eric   WA6HHQ
CEO, List moderator, etc.
*elecraft.com *


> > On Oct 23, 2023, at 2:02 PM,
> >
> > LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various
> un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even
> BEGIN to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.
> >
> > This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss
> ELECRAFT gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.
> >
> > IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very
> pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods.  Because
> if you are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not know what
> you don't know.
> >
> > Be well!
> >
> > Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian
> crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot
> until you capitulate.
> >
> > Have a good day.
> >lecraft.com 
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Lee Hiers]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 2:02 PM Clay Autery  wrote:


> This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss
> ELECRAFT gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.
>

Wow...I missed the part where they named you as the list police.  My bad!
LOL...

Lee, AA4GA
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

[Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[David Gilbert]

You should have seen the several private emails Clay sent me a couple of 
months ago.  They literally could have been classified as hate mail, all 
because I posted something he felt was critical of Elecraft on some 
topic or another.


There is indeed something wrong there ...

 Dave   AB7E


On 10/23/2023 11:07 AM, Andrew Moore wrote:

Lashing out is an indication of an unrelated underlying issue. Feelings of
inadequacy or inferiority. Real or imagined.

73,
-Andrew NV1B
..



On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 2:02 PM Clay Autery  wrote:


LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various
un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even
BEGIN to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.

This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss
ELECRAFT gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.

IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very
pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods.
Because if you are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not
know what you don't know.

Be well!

Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian
crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot
until you capitulate.

Have a good day.

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 10/23/2023 11:14 AM, Toast wrote:

I came to this list to have honest conversations about the comparison of

Elecraft equipment vs other manufacturers.  I prefer to live without my
head in the sand.

Rob Mantz
NR4B

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:

I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your

Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Bert]

Clay is obviously a very angry man who needs help!
I hope this behavior will be stopped on this list.
Bert VE3NR


On 2023-10-23 14:07, Andrew Moore wrote:

Lashing out is an indication of an unrelated underlying issue. Feelings of
inadequacy or inferiority. Real or imagined.

73,
-Andrew NV1B
..



On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 2:02 PM Clay Autery  wrote:


LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various
un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even
BEGIN to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.

This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss
ELECRAFT gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.

IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very
pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods.
Because if you are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not
know what you don't know.

Be well!

Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian
crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot
until you capitulate.

Have a good day.

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 10/23/2023 11:14 AM, Toast wrote:

I came to this list to have honest conversations about the comparison of

Elecraft equipment vs other manufacturers.  I prefer to live without my
head in the sand.

Rob Mantz
NR4B

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:

I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your

Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered toandrew.n...@gmail.com

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered tove...@bell.net  

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[David Gilbert]

How very boorish of you.  The original post (read it below) specifically 
asked for comparison information, and Wes merely answered.


You are the consummate Elecraft fanboy here and that's fine. but don't 
try to impose your perspective on everyone else.


Dave   AB7E


On 10/23/2023 8:22 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your 
Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...


Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G




On 10/22/2023 10:17 PM, Wes wrote:
Like you I own a K3 and owned and sold a K3S.  I also have a KPA500 
and KAT500.  I too got tired of waiting for a K4 and bought a TS-890. 
Elecraft radios taught me to always have a spare, so considering 
similar ergonomics, I also acquired a TS-590.  Before all of these I 
had a Kenwood TS-870 that was flawless for 13 years.


True Elecraft service has been fine, the problem has been I've needed 
too much of it.  My Kenwood stuff has never required service, so I 
can't comment on it.


The notch filter on the '890 isn't automatic but the beat cancel is 
and quite effective.  I used to say about my '870 that Kenwood wasted 
valuable panel space by putting a noise blanker switch on it and the 
'890 isn't a whole lot better. The K3 can be, if you don't mind 400+ 
different adjustment possibilities.


Sorry I can't comment on the K4, since obviously I don't own one, and 
I doubt that I ever will, that ship has sailed.


Wes  N7WS




On 10/22/2023 10:58 AM, John Canfield wrote:

Hi all,

Long time fan of Elecraft, I have a K3s and a KPA1500, both are 
currently in service. My primary HF radio is now a TS-890, I bought 
it about four or so years ago after giving up waiting on the K4's to 
be off the shelf ready to purchase.


So on to my questions about the two rigs. For those who have fairly 
recent experience running both the TS-890/K4's I would greatly 
appreciate anyone's thoughts and comments about the two rigs. I 
really like the 890 after I finally figured out how to run it (hi 
hi). I like the visual representation of adjusting the high and low 
bandpass filters on the waterfall. One feature of the 890 I don't 
like is the notch filter isn't automatic unlike my K3s.


I know there's a lot of complaints about relatively poor DSP noise 
reduction on the 890 and I do agree it's not in the same class as my 
K3s but nonetheless it's still quite effective. Receive sensitivity 
on my 890 is outstanding, I'll have to give it a subjective 5 stars 
and my K3s 4 stars.


One huge bonus of Elecraft is factory service which I've had to use 
a couple of times with my K3s. I give it 5 stars :-)


Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated and please be brutally 
honest.


73 de John WB5THT

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Andrew Moore]

Lashing out is an indication of an unrelated underlying issue. Feelings of
inadequacy or inferiority. Real or imagined.

73,
-Andrew NV1B
..



On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 2:02 PM Clay Autery  wrote:

> LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various
> un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even
> BEGIN to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.
>
> This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss
> ELECRAFT gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.
>
> IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very
> pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods.
> Because if you are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not
> know what you don't know.
>
> Be well!
>
> Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian
> crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot
> until you capitulate.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
> KY5G
>
> On 10/23/2023 11:14 AM, Toast wrote:
> > I came to this list to have honest conversations about the comparison of
> Elecraft equipment vs other manufacturers.  I prefer to live without my
> head in the sand.
> >
> > Rob Mantz
> > NR4B
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your
> Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...
> >>
> >> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
> >> KY5G
> __
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to andrew.n...@gmail.com
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Toast]

Wayne, Eric,

Do you have thoughts about excluding discussion of the performance of your 
products against those from other manufacturers?

Rob Mantz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2023, at 2:02 PM, Clay Autery  wrote:
> 
> LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various 
> un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even BEGIN 
> to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.
> 
> This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss ELECRAFT 
> gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.
> 
> IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very 
> pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods.  Because if 
> you are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not know what you 
> don't know.
> 
> Be well!
> 
> Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian 
> crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot until 
> you capitulate.
> 
> Have a good day.
> 
> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
> KY5G
> 
>> On 10/23/2023 11:14 AM, Toast wrote:
>> I came to this list to have honest conversations about the comparison of 
>> Elecraft equipment vs other manufacturers.  I prefer to live without my head 
>> in the sand.
>> 
>> Rob Mantz
>> NR4B
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your 
>>> Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...
>>> 
>>> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
>>> KY5G
> __
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to ma...@toast.net


__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Clay Autery]

LMAO!  Yes, because anecdotal story-telling on this list by various 
un/under-qualified people making comments on equipment they cannot even 
BEGIN to understand MUCH LESS operate anywhere near its capabilities.


This is the Elecraft manufacturer's list.  It is here to discuss 
ELECRAFT gear.  Ask Wayne or Eric.  It belongs to THEM.


IF you choose to talk about NON-Elecraft gear, be prepared to field very 
pointed questions about your qualifications and testing methods.  
Because if you are acting a 'fool", it WILL be revealed that you do not 
know what you don't know.


Be well!

Just saying.  there are numerous other venues to discuss your Asian 
crap THIS ain't the place unless you are OK with getting sharpshot 
until you capitulate.


Have a good day.

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 10/23/2023 11:14 AM, Toast wrote:

I came to this list to have honest conversations about the comparison of 
Elecraft equipment vs other manufacturers.  I prefer to live without my head in 
the sand.

Rob Mantz
NR4B

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:

I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your Kenwoo0d 
stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Toast]

In my opinion it was rude.  Speaking of putting on one’s big boy pants who was 
it that said

“I have one for sale on QRZ as part of or on its own.  I will not post it here, 
because I was openly mocked the last time I posted my stuff for sale.”

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2023, at 1:49 PM, Clay Autery  wrote:
> 
> No sir, that was not the least you could say.  You could have kept your 
> mouth shut and keyboard silent.
> 
> You are also WRONG.  I was NOT rude.  I was patient and courteous.
> 
> I can assure you that you most decidedly DO NOT want me to SHOW you "rude".
> 
> Now...  pull your panties up and start acting like a grown man, not some "soy 
> boy" ruled by his emotions.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
> KY5G
> 
> ⁣Get TypeApp for Android ​
> 
>> On Oct 23, 2023, 11:59 AM, at 11:59 AM, James Bennett via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>> Rude, to say the least.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Oct 23, 2023, at 9:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your
>> Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...
>>> 
>>> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
>>> KY5G
>>> 
>>> On 10/22/2023 10:17 PM, Wes wrote:
 Like you I own a K3 and owned and sold a K3S.  I also have a KPA500
>> and KAT500.  I too got tired of waiting for a K4 and bought a TS-890.
>> Elecraft radios taught me to always have a spare, so considering
>> similar ergonomics, I also acquired a TS-590.  Before all of these I
>> had a Kenwood TS-870 that was flawless for 13 years.
 
 True Elecraft service has been fine, the problem has been I've
>> needed too much of it.  My Kenwood stuff has never required service, so
>> I can't comment on it.
 
 The notch filter on the '890 isn't automatic but the beat cancel is
>> and quite effective.  I used to say about my '870 that Kenwood wasted
>> valuable panel space by putting a noise blanker switch on it and the
>> '890 isn't a whole lot better. The K3 can be, if you don't mind 400+
>> different adjustment possibilities.
 
 Sorry I can't comment on the K4, since obviously I don't own one,
>> and I doubt that I ever will, that ship has sailed.
 
 Wes  N7WS
 
 On 10/22/2023 10:58 AM, John Canfield wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Long time fan of Elecraft, I have a K3s and a KPA1500, both are
>> currently in service. My primary HF radio is now a TS-890, I bought it
>> about four or so years ago after giving up waiting on the K4's to be
>> off the shelf ready to purchase.
> 
> So on to my questions about the two rigs. For those who have fairly
>> recent experience running both the TS-890/K4's I would greatly
>> appreciate anyone's thoughts and comments about the two rigs. I really
>> like the 890 after I finally figured out how to run it (hi hi). I like
>> the visual representation of adjusting the high and low bandpass
>> filters on the waterfall. One feature of the 890 I don't like is the
>> notch filter isn't automatic unlike my K3s.
> 
> I know there's a lot of complaints about relatively poor DSP noise
>> reduction on the 890 and I do agree it's not in the same class as my
>> K3s but nonetheless it's still quite effective. Receive sensitivity on
>> my 890 is outstanding, I'll have to give it a subjective 5 stars and my
>> K3s 4 stars.
> 
> One huge bonus of Elecraft is factory service which I've had to use
>> a couple of times with my K3s. I give it 5 stars :-)
> 
> Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated and please be brutally
>> honest.
> 
> 73 de John WB5THT
 __
 Elecraft mailing list
 Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
 Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
 Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 
 This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
 Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
 Message delivered to k...@montac.com
>>> __
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered to w6...@me.com
>> 
>> __
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to k...@montac.com
> __
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> 
> This 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Clay Autery]

No sir, that was not the least you could say.  You could have kept your mouth 
shut and keyboard silent.

You are also WRONG.  I was NOT rude.  I was patient and courteous.

I can assure you that you most decidedly DO NOT want me to SHOW you "rude".

Now...  pull your panties up and start acting like a grown man, not some "soy 
boy" ruled by his emotions.

Sincerely,
Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

⁣Get TypeApp for Android ​

On Oct 23, 2023, 11:59 AM, at 11:59 AM, James Bennett via Elecraft 
 wrote:
>Rude, to say the least.
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 23, 2023, at 9:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your
>Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...
>> 
>> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
>> KY5G
>> 
>> On 10/22/2023 10:17 PM, Wes wrote:
>>> Like you I own a K3 and owned and sold a K3S.  I also have a KPA500
>and KAT500.  I too got tired of waiting for a K4 and bought a TS-890.
>Elecraft radios taught me to always have a spare, so considering
>similar ergonomics, I also acquired a TS-590.  Before all of these I
>had a Kenwood TS-870 that was flawless for 13 years.
>>> 
>>> True Elecraft service has been fine, the problem has been I've
>needed too much of it.  My Kenwood stuff has never required service, so
>I can't comment on it.
>>> 
>>> The notch filter on the '890 isn't automatic but the beat cancel is
>and quite effective.  I used to say about my '870 that Kenwood wasted
>valuable panel space by putting a noise blanker switch on it and the
>'890 isn't a whole lot better. The K3 can be, if you don't mind 400+
>different adjustment possibilities.
>>> 
>>> Sorry I can't comment on the K4, since obviously I don't own one,
>and I doubt that I ever will, that ship has sailed.
>>> 
>>> Wes  N7WS
>>> 
>>> On 10/22/2023 10:58 AM, John Canfield wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Long time fan of Elecraft, I have a K3s and a KPA1500, both are
>currently in service. My primary HF radio is now a TS-890, I bought it
>about four or so years ago after giving up waiting on the K4's to be
>off the shelf ready to purchase.
 
 So on to my questions about the two rigs. For those who have fairly
>recent experience running both the TS-890/K4's I would greatly
>appreciate anyone's thoughts and comments about the two rigs. I really
>like the 890 after I finally figured out how to run it (hi hi). I like
>the visual representation of adjusting the high and low bandpass
>filters on the waterfall. One feature of the 890 I don't like is the
>notch filter isn't automatic unlike my K3s.
 
 I know there's a lot of complaints about relatively poor DSP noise
>reduction on the 890 and I do agree it's not in the same class as my
>K3s but nonetheless it's still quite effective. Receive sensitivity on
>my 890 is outstanding, I'll have to give it a subjective 5 stars and my
>K3s 4 stars.
 
 One huge bonus of Elecraft is factory service which I've had to use
>a couple of times with my K3s. I give it 5 stars :-)
 
 Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated and please be brutally
>honest.
 
 73 de John WB5THT
>>> __
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>> 
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered to k...@montac.com
>> __
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to w6...@me.com
>
>__
>Elecraft mailing list
>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>
>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>Message delivered to k...@montac.com 
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Linda M]

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Lee Hiers]

Well, he *did* say "please"!  ;-)

73 de Lee, AA4GA


On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 12:58 PM James Bennett via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Rude, to say the least.
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 23, 2023, at 9:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:
> >
> > I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your
> Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...
> >
> > Clay E. Autery, Jr.
> > KY5G
> >
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[James Bennett via Elecraft]

Rude, to say the least.




> On Oct 23, 2023, at 9:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:
> 
> I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your Kenwoo0d 
> stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...
> 
> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
> KY5G
> 
> On 10/22/2023 10:17 PM, Wes wrote:
>> Like you I own a K3 and owned and sold a K3S.  I also have a KPA500 and 
>> KAT500.  I too got tired of waiting for a K4 and bought a TS-890. Elecraft 
>> radios taught me to always have a spare, so considering similar ergonomics, 
>> I also acquired a TS-590.  Before all of these I had a Kenwood TS-870 that 
>> was flawless for 13 years.
>> 
>> True Elecraft service has been fine, the problem has been I've needed too 
>> much of it.  My Kenwood stuff has never required service, so I can't comment 
>> on it.
>> 
>> The notch filter on the '890 isn't automatic but the beat cancel is and 
>> quite effective.  I used to say about my '870 that Kenwood wasted valuable 
>> panel space by putting a noise blanker switch on it and the '890 isn't a 
>> whole lot better. The K3 can be, if you don't mind 400+ different adjustment 
>> possibilities.
>> 
>> Sorry I can't comment on the K4, since obviously I don't own one, and I 
>> doubt that I ever will, that ship has sailed.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>> On 10/22/2023 10:58 AM, John Canfield wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Long time fan of Elecraft, I have a K3s and a KPA1500, both are currently 
>>> in service. My primary HF radio is now a TS-890, I bought it about four or 
>>> so years ago after giving up waiting on the K4's to be off the shelf ready 
>>> to purchase.
>>> 
>>> So on to my questions about the two rigs. For those who have fairly recent 
>>> experience running both the TS-890/K4's I would greatly appreciate anyone's 
>>> thoughts and comments about the two rigs. I really like the 890 after I 
>>> finally figured out how to run it (hi hi). I like the visual representation 
>>> of adjusting the high and low bandpass filters on the waterfall. One 
>>> feature of the 890 I don't like is the notch filter isn't automatic unlike 
>>> my K3s.
>>> 
>>> I know there's a lot of complaints about relatively poor DSP noise 
>>> reduction on the 890 and I do agree it's not in the same class as my K3s 
>>> but nonetheless it's still quite effective. Receive sensitivity on my 890 
>>> is outstanding, I'll have to give it a subjective 5 stars and my K3s 4 
>>> stars.
>>> 
>>> One huge bonus of Elecraft is factory service which I've had to use a 
>>> couple of times with my K3s. I give it 5 stars :-)
>>> 
>>> Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated and please be brutally honest.
>>> 
>>> 73 de John WB5THT
>> __
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to k...@montac.com
> __
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to w6...@me.com

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Toast]

I came to this list to have honest conversations about the comparison of 
Elecraft equipment vs other manufacturers.  I prefer to live without my head in 
the sand.

Rob Mantz
NR4B

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Clay Autery  wrote:
> 
> I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your Kenwoo0d 
> stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...
> 
> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
> KY5G
> 
>> On 10/22/2023 10:17 PM, Wes wrote:
>> Like you I own a K3 and owned and sold a K3S.  I also have a KPA500 and 
>> KAT500.  I too got tired of waiting for a K4 and bought a TS-890. Elecraft 
>> radios taught me to always have a spare, so considering similar ergonomics, 
>> I also acquired a TS-590.  Before all of these I had a Kenwood TS-870 that 
>> was flawless for 13 years.
>> 
>> True Elecraft service has been fine, the problem has been I've needed too 
>> much of it.  My Kenwood stuff has never required service, so I can't comment 
>> on it.
>> 
>> The notch filter on the '890 isn't automatic but the beat cancel is and 
>> quite effective.  I used to say about my '870 that Kenwood wasted valuable 
>> panel space by putting a noise blanker switch on it and the '890 isn't a 
>> whole lot better. The K3 can be, if you don't mind 400+ different adjustment 
>> possibilities.
>> 
>> Sorry I can't comment on the K4, since obviously I don't own one, and I 
>> doubt that I ever will, that ship has sailed.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>>> On 10/22/2023 10:58 AM, John Canfield wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Long time fan of Elecraft, I have a K3s and a KPA1500, both are currently 
>>> in service. My primary HF radio is now a TS-890, I bought it about four or 
>>> so years ago after giving up waiting on the K4's to be off the shelf ready 
>>> to purchase.
>>> 
>>> So on to my questions about the two rigs. For those who have fairly recent 
>>> experience running both the TS-890/K4's I would greatly appreciate anyone's 
>>> thoughts and comments about the two rigs. I really like the 890 after I 
>>> finally figured out how to run it (hi hi). I like the visual representation 
>>> of adjusting the high and low bandpass filters on the waterfall. One 
>>> feature of the 890 I don't like is the notch filter isn't automatic unlike 
>>> my K3s.
>>> 
>>> I know there's a lot of complaints about relatively poor DSP noise 
>>> reduction on the 890 and I do agree it's not in the same class as my K3s 
>>> but nonetheless it's still quite effective. Receive sensitivity on my 890 
>>> is outstanding, I'll have to give it a subjective 5 stars and my K3s 4 
>>> stars.
>>> 
>>> One huge bonus of Elecraft is factory service which I've had to use a 
>>> couple of times with my K3s. I give it 5 stars :-)
>>> 
>>> Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated and please be brutally honest.
>>> 
>>> 73 de John WB5THT
>> __
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to k...@montac.com
> __
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to ma...@toast.net


__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Clay Autery]

I don't come to this list to talk about Kenwood.  Please take your 
Kenwoo0d stuff to another list.  Groups.io, etc...


Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 10/22/2023 10:17 PM, Wes wrote:
Like you I own a K3 and owned and sold a K3S.  I also have a KPA500 
and KAT500.  I too got tired of waiting for a K4 and bought a TS-890. 
Elecraft radios taught me to always have a spare, so considering 
similar ergonomics, I also acquired a TS-590.  Before all of these I 
had a Kenwood TS-870 that was flawless for 13 years.


True Elecraft service has been fine, the problem has been I've needed 
too much of it.  My Kenwood stuff has never required service, so I 
can't comment on it.


The notch filter on the '890 isn't automatic but the beat cancel is 
and quite effective.  I used to say about my '870 that Kenwood wasted 
valuable panel space by putting a noise blanker switch on it and the 
'890 isn't a whole lot better. The K3 can be, if you don't mind 400+ 
different adjustment possibilities.


Sorry I can't comment on the K4, since obviously I don't own one, and 
I doubt that I ever will, that ship has sailed.


Wes  N7WS

On 10/22/2023 10:58 AM, John Canfield wrote:

Hi all,

Long time fan of Elecraft, I have a K3s and a KPA1500, both are 
currently in service. My primary HF radio is now a TS-890, I bought 
it about four or so years ago after giving up waiting on the K4's to 
be off the shelf ready to purchase.


So on to my questions about the two rigs. For those who have fairly 
recent experience running both the TS-890/K4's I would greatly 
appreciate anyone's thoughts and comments about the two rigs. I 
really like the 890 after I finally figured out how to run it (hi 
hi). I like the visual representation of adjusting the high and low 
bandpass filters on the waterfall. One feature of the 890 I don't 
like is the notch filter isn't automatic unlike my K3s.


I know there's a lot of complaints about relatively poor DSP noise 
reduction on the 890 and I do agree it's not in the same class as my 
K3s but nonetheless it's still quite effective. Receive sensitivity 
on my 890 is outstanding, I'll have to give it a subjective 5 stars 
and my K3s 4 stars.


One huge bonus of Elecraft is factory service which I've had to use a 
couple of times with my K3s. I give it 5 stars :-)


Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated and please be brutally 
honest.


73 de John WB5THT

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to k...@montac.com 

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Wes]

Like you I own a K3 and owned and sold a K3S.  I also have a KPA500 and KAT500.  
I too got tired of waiting for a K4 and bought a TS-890.  Elecraft radios taught 
me to always have a spare, so considering similar ergonomics, I also acquired a 
TS-590.  Before all of these I had a Kenwood TS-870 that was flawless for 13 years.


True Elecraft service has been fine, the problem has been I've needed too much 
of it.  My Kenwood stuff has never required service, so I can't comment on it.


The notch filter on the '890 isn't automatic but the beat cancel is and quite 
effective.  I used to say about my '870 that Kenwood wasted valuable panel space 
by putting a noise blanker switch on it and the '890 isn't a whole lot better. 
The K3 can be, if you don't mind 400+ different adjustment possibilities.


Sorry I can't comment on the K4, since obviously I don't own one, and I doubt 
that I ever will, that ship has sailed.


Wes  N7WS

On 10/22/2023 10:58 AM, John Canfield wrote:

Hi all,

Long time fan of Elecraft, I have a K3s and a KPA1500, both are currently in 
service. My primary HF radio is now a TS-890, I bought it about four or so 
years ago after giving up waiting on the K4's to be off the shelf ready to 
purchase.


So on to my questions about the two rigs. For those who have fairly recent 
experience running both the TS-890/K4's I would greatly appreciate anyone's 
thoughts and comments about the two rigs. I really like the 890 after I 
finally figured out how to run it (hi hi). I like the visual representation of 
adjusting the high and low bandpass filters on the waterfall. One feature of 
the 890 I don't like is the notch filter isn't automatic unlike my K3s.


I know there's a lot of complaints about relatively poor DSP noise reduction 
on the 890 and I do agree it's not in the same class as my K3s but nonetheless 
it's still quite effective. Receive sensitivity on my 890 is outstanding, I'll 
have to give it a subjective 5 stars and my K3s 4 stars.


One huge bonus of Elecraft is factory service which I've had to use a couple 
of times with my K3s. I give it 5 stars :-)


Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated and please be brutally honest.

73 de John WB5THT

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

Re: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[Mark Musick]

HI John,
You really should ask this question on the Elecraft-K4 groups.io reflector.
There have been discussions there comparing the K4 to the 890. There are 
several on the reflector that have owned both.
You will get a better answer there.
Rob Sherwood is one who has owned or used both and if you look through the 
archives you will find his comments.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of John Canfield
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 17:59
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

Hi all,

Long time fan of Elecraft, I have a K3s and a KPA1500, both are currently in 
service. My primary HF radio is now a TS-890, I bought it about four or so 
years ago after giving up waiting on the K4's to be off the shelf ready to 
purchase.

So on to my questions about the two rigs. For those who have fairly recent 
experience running both the TS-890/K4's I would greatly appreciate anyone's 
thoughts and comments about the two rigs. I really like the 890 after I finally 
figured out how to run it (hi hi). I like the visual representation of 
adjusting the high and low bandpass filters on the waterfall. One feature of 
the 890 I don't like is the notch filter isn't automatic unlike my K3s.

I know there's a lot of complaints about relatively poor DSP noise reduction on 
the 890 and I do agree it's not in the same class as my K3s but nonetheless 
it's still quite effective. Receive sensitivity on my
890 is outstanding, I'll have to give it a subjective 5 stars and my K3s
4 stars.

One huge bonus of Elecraft is factory service which I've had to use a couple of 
times with my K3s. I give it 5 stars :-)

Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated and please be brutally honest.

73 de John WB5THT

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to markmus...@outlook.com
__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com 

[Elecraft] TS-890 vs K4D performance?

[John Canfield]

Hi all,

Long time fan of Elecraft, I have a K3s and a KPA1500, both are 
currently in service. My primary HF radio is now a TS-890, I bought it 
about four or so years ago after giving up waiting on the K4's to be off 
the shelf ready to purchase.


So on to my questions about the two rigs. For those who have fairly 
recent experience running both the TS-890/K4's I would greatly 
appreciate anyone's thoughts and comments about the two rigs. I really 
like the 890 after I finally figured out how to run it (hi hi). I like 
the visual representation of adjusting the high and low bandpass filters 
on the waterfall. One feature of the 890 I don't like is the notch 
filter isn't automatic unlike my K3s.


I know there's a lot of complaints about relatively poor DSP noise 
reduction on the 890 and I do agree it's not in the same class as my K3s 
but nonetheless it's still quite effective. Receive sensitivity on my 
890 is outstanding, I'll have to give it a subjective 5 stars and my K3s 
4 stars.


One huge bonus of Elecraft is factory service which I've had to use a 
couple of times with my K3s. I give it 5 stars :-)


Any helpful comments are greatly appreciated and please be brutally honest.

73 de John WB5THT

__
Elecraft mailing list
Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com