Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Clarification, Stainless Tower company builds steel towers. They are NOT stainless steel. We had a 350 ft Stainless tower at WDXN in Clarksville TN. It was a challenge to climb as the horizontal members were 3ft apart. That's a tall step. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2019, at 7:46 AM, George wrote: > > All, > In 1998 we replaced a 1955 1,000' Stainless Tower. It was located in Lantana, > Florida - probably 15 miles of so from the Atlantic Ocean. > We did paint the tower often but never did any maintenance on the guy wire > hardware. > The tower used galvanized hardware. The hardware on the tower and guy wires > were original. > Our tower maintenance company did use a penetration lubricate before they > adjusted guy tensions. > We had the tensions checked during the annual inspection; But only adjusted a > couple times in the 35 years I was there. > > 73 > George AI4VZ > > > -Original Message- From: rv6amark via Elecraft > Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their > knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
All, In 1998 we replaced a 1955 1,000' Stainless Tower. It was located in Lantana, Florida - probably 15 miles of so from the Atlantic Ocean. We did paint the tower often but never did any maintenance on the guy wire hardware. The tower used galvanized hardware. The hardware on the tower and guy wires were original. Our tower maintenance company did use a penetration lubricate before they adjusted guy tensions. We had the tensions checked during the annual inspection; But only adjusted a couple times in the 35 years I was there. 73 George AI4VZ -Original Message- From: rv6amark via Elecraft Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly! The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y." Run away from anyone who says it. There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product. Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about. In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue: "Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark, KE6BB null __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Re: "Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter."Exactly! The science of materials and their proper manufacturing and use is far too complex to be summed up in an email or by statements like, "Material X is to brittle to be used for use in Y." Run away from anyone who says it. There are thousands of variations in steels that can be processed in thousands of variations, all of which affect the properties of the final product. Making these decisions correctly so the final product works correctly is what engineering is all about. In the words of Jim, K9YC in response to a similar issue: "Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion."Mark, KE6BB null __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
I use Permatex anti-seize, same as west marine sells. I’ve only used ss turnbuckles for truss cables & anything I want to look pretty (architectural). Never a problem when threads are coated. Tower guys always galvanized. SS is a PITA with galling. I suppose if you’re in a real corrosive environment it would make sense. 73 Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Barry wrote: > > Richard, >I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on my > boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go on line > to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is as finicky as > the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water really does a > number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your stainless be marine grade. > > 73, > Barry > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Richard, I used to use a lanolin based product on my stainless turnbuckles on my boat. That is no longer available. So, what I suggest is that you go on line to West Marine and see what they have and recommend. Nothing is as finicky as the materials in a marine environment. Salt air and water really does a number on boat stuff. Only suggestion is that your stainless be marine grade. 73, Barry K3NDM -- Original Message -- From: "Richard" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: 11/2/2019 10:16:24 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads? Cheers, Richard Kunc - W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to barrylaz...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Oops…I meant galvanized. Just not stainless. John WA1EAZ > On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:09 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their knowledge > over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter. > > Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower > hardware, use and installation. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: >> My tower guy says stainless is too brittle. Use anodized instead. >> >> John >> WA1EAZ >> >>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote: >>> >>> Richard: >>> >>> If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless >>> hardware, even in Aluminum. >>> What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your >>> temperature extremes? >>> I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is >>> not a big issue. >>> >>> John: >>> >>> What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the >>> load? >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Mark >>> W7MLG >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics >>> wrote: >>> I would not use stainless. John WA1EAZ > On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard wrote: > > For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads? >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jstengrev...@comcast.net >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrev...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Rohn tower hardware is hot dipped galvanized steel. I'd take their knowledge over any "tower guy" or any other person for that matter. Remember, your tower and perhaps someones life may depend on your tower hardware, use and installation. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 11/2/2019 9:59 AM, John Stengrevics wrote: My tower guy says stainless is too brittle. Use anodized instead. John WA1EAZ On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote: Richard: If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum. What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes? I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue. John: What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load? 73, Mark W7MLG On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics wrote: I would not use stainless. John WA1EAZ On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard wrote: For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jstengrev...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
My tower guy says stainless is too brittle. Use anodized instead. John WA1EAZ > On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote: > > Richard: > > If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless > hardware, even in Aluminum. > What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your > temperature extremes? > I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is > not a big issue. > > John: > > What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the > load? > > > 73, > > Mark > W7MLG > > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics > wrote: > >> I would not use stainless. >> >> >> John >> WA1EAZ >> >>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard wrote: >>> >>> For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys >> ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads? >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrev...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
Richard: If you are asking about anti-seize, I use Nickle anti-seize on stainless hardware, even in Aluminum. What is your environment? Are you near salt water? What are your temperature extremes? I am in a dry climate so Aluminum - Stainless Steel galvanic corrosion is not a big issue. John: What is the reason to not use stainless steel if properly rated for the load? 73, Mark W7MLG On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 7:27 AM John Stengrevics wrote: > I would not use stainless. > > > John > WA1EAZ > > > On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard wrote: > > > > For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys > ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads? > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
I would not use stainless. John WA1EAZ Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 2, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Richard wrote: > > For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, > what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads? > > Cheers, > > Richard Kunc - W4KBX > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstengrev...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Turnbuckle Threads
For stainless steel/stainless steel turnbuckles being used on guys ropes, what’s the best stuff with which to protect the threads? Cheers, Richard Kunc - W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
