Re: [Elecraft] dead K2

2024-06-21 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/21/2024 11:24 AM, Oscar Castillo wrote:

hello everyone,

, the coaxial that carries the RF from the board to the tunner was loose 
(the ground part of the coax was broken), in the physical inspection 
everything looks fine, no "pop" was heard,  There was no smoke anywhere 
or a burning smell, so I have no idea where to start, any advice would 
be greatly appreciated.


It's been a long time since I sold my K2s, but I have more recent 
experience with K3s, and I had a problem with one of those mini-coax 
jumpers. Elecraft can send some to you. And if it's a female connector 
that solders to a board, they can send you that.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] dead K2

2024-06-21 Thread W3FPR

Oscar,

First remove the KAT2 from the K2 entirely, including the cable to the 
control board.

Then connect a dummy load to the BNC on the lower rear panel.
Try transmitting (do a TUNE) and see if there is any RF.  If there is, 
you are fortunate, fix the coax ground to the KAT2 and put it back together.
If not, you have some troubleshooting to do.  Get an RF Probe (or an 
oscilloscope) and follow the procedure for troubleshooting that is 
printed near the back of the K2 manual (download if you do not have a 
printed copy).


Until you find the failure point, that is all I can tell you.

A serial number will be helpful.

You might also contact Elecraft support, and Dave W8FGU can likely help 
as well - he is the official contact for support on the legacy gear (K1, 
K2, KX1).


73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/21/2024 2:24 PM, Oscar Castillo wrote:

hello everyone,

  Several years ago I bought my K2 and I have been very happy since then, but a month ago tragedy struck my 
life. I noticed that the radio was "deaf", so I did a tuning cycle and my radio turned off 
completely, I checked everything on the outside and it looked good, I checked the power and it was fine (13.2 
v), the antenna was fine, so I removed the top cover and that was where I saw the "big problem", 
the coaxial that carries the RF from the board to the tunner was loose (the ground part of the coax was 
broken), in the physical inspection everything looks fine, no "pop" was heard,  There was no smoke 
anywhere or a burning smell, so I have no idea where to start, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I bought the radio assembled and it has the following modules

KAF2
KSB2
KNB2
K160M
KIO2
KAT2

I really hope that you guys cand help me, it´s hard to find a place to fix it 
here in Mexico, and the shipping cost to send it to the US are really high.

  best regards to all of you

  Oscar XE2IF


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[Elecraft] dead K2

2024-06-21 Thread Oscar Castillo
hello everyone,

 Several years ago I bought my K2 and I have been very happy since then, but a 
month ago tragedy struck my life. I noticed that the radio was "deaf", so I did 
a tuning cycle and my radio turned off completely, I checked everything on the 
outside and it looked good, I checked the power and it was fine (13.2 v), the 
antenna was fine, so I removed the top cover and that was where I saw the "big 
problem", the coaxial that carries the RF from the board to the tunner was 
loose (the ground part of the coax was broken), in the physical inspection 
everything looks fine, no "pop" was heard,  There was no smoke anywhere or a 
burning smell, so I have no idea where to start, any advice would be greatly 
appreciated.

I bought the radio assembled and it has the following modules

KAF2
KSB2
KNB2
K160M
KIO2
KAT2

I really hope that you guys cand help me, it´s hard to find a place to fix it 
here in Mexico, and the shipping cost to send it to the US are really high.

 best regards to all of you

 Oscar XE2IF
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Re: [Elecraft] dead K2

2010-05-07 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Mike,

My K2/100 #3255 behaved in exactly the same way some years ago, actually on 
two occasions about a year apart. The problem was caused by dirt or 
corrosion on the contacts of the socket of the MCU U6 on the Control board. 
Pulling and reseating the U6 IC cured the problem on each occasion.

After the second episode I changed U6's socket to a turned pin (machined) 
type of socket, and the problem has not reared its ugly head since. The type 
of socket supplied with the K2 kit is often a cause of "problems".

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD



From: "worsr"
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:47 PM



> My K2 #5767 suddenly has quit working.  Upon power up today,  the freq. 
> readout is OK, but none of the buttons work and the tuning dial doesn't 
> change freq.  No error messages are seen at powerup.
>
> Anyone have any ideas??
>
> --Mike, W0RSR


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Re: [Elecraft] dead K2

2010-05-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mike,

The symptom of not being able to do anything from the front panel is 
usually an indication that it is attempting to transmit as soon as power 
is applied.  The simple thing that can cause a transmit condition is a 
closed key (or PTT).  Remove anything from the micophone jack, remove 
anything from the key jack and the AUX I/O if you have one.  Connect a 
dummy load 'just in case' my transmit assumption is correct.
If you have the KPA100, it is preferable to power only the base K2, but 
if you have only the 12 volt cable for the KPA100, go ahead and use it.

After that bit of setup, power the K2 on - does it work?  If so, one of 
the external cables was putting it into transmit, your task is to find 
which one and correct it.
If you still have the same problem, remove the top cover (whether that 
be the KPA100 or the QRP cover.  You will be making a couple checks with 
your DMM.
Power on and check the voltage at the anode of both D6 and D7 (located 
halfway back about 1 inch from the left side panel).  During receive, 
you should find the anode of D6 near 8 volts and the anode of D7 near 
zero - during transmit, the anode of D6 should go to zero and the anode 
of D7 will be near 8 volts.  If both of them are near 8 volts when you 
power on, power off quickly and tell us about it.
In any case tell us what you found in the above steps before proceeding 
further (or making any assumptions).  An orderly progression of tests 
will lead you to the failure point.

73,
Don W3FPR

worsr wrote:
> My K2 #5767 suddenly has quit working.  Upon power up today,  the freq. 
> readout is OK, but none of the buttons work and the tuning dial doesn't 
> change freq.  No error messages are seen at powerup.  
>
> Anyone have any ideas??
>
>   
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[Elecraft] dead K2

2010-05-07 Thread worsr
My K2 #5767 suddenly has quit working.  Upon power up today,  the freq. readout 
is OK, but none of the buttons work and the tuning dial doesn't change freq.  
No error messages are seen at powerup.  

Anyone have any ideas??

--Mike, W0RSR
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[Elecraft] Dead K2/100

2009-04-19 Thread Ron McCurdy
What should the resistances between poles of Q7 & Q8 be?

Mac


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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2 After nearby power surge

2009-02-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Fred,

We are 'doubling' with overlapping posts here along with fast paced 
responses.

 From that brief measurement, I think Q3 is the problem - I base that on 
the fact that you measure 8 volts on both D6 and D7.  Just remove Q3 to 
check that theory.  The K2 will receive without Q3 installed, but will 
get mixed up if you try to transmit.
If you get receive and a display with Q3 removed, then a new 2N7000 
should fix it.

BTW, you cannot check a transistor or FET for short/open by making 
resistance measurements - it is just not reliable nor predictable.

73,
Don W3FPR

KC9QQ wrote:
>
> KC9QQ wrote:
>   
>>
>> Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
>> 
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> In cases like yours, first step is to connect a dummy load to the K2 
>>> just in case it is trying to transmit - it is not good to enter transmit 
>>> state without a load on the PA transistors.  If it is a K2/100, remove 
>>> the KPA100 and connect the dummy load to the BNC antenna jack on the 
>>> lower rear panel.
>>>
>>> First thing is to check the state of the 8T and 8R voltage rails. Those 
>>> are easily checked at the anodes of D6 and D7.  If D7 anode has 8 volts 
>>> on it while D6 anode has zero volts, then the K2 is in a transmit 
>>> state.  If both D7 and D6 anodes have 8 volts present, power it only 
>>> briefly while making further checks lest some components overheat.
>>>
>>> If both 8T and 8R are present, you need to check the state of the RX 
>>> signal at the gate of control board Q4 as well as the TX signal at the 
>>> gate of CB Q3 - one should be on (about 5 volts) while the other should 
>>> be off (near zero volts).  If both of these are on, the microprocessor 
>>> was zapped with the power surge, but if only one is on, the problem is a 
>>> shorted Q3 or Q4 on the control board.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> Don,
>>
>> I pulled the control board again to reset the relays and then reinstalled
>> it to make the measurements on D6 and D7.  When I powered the unit,
>> Elecraft was again shown and the frequency of 7100 was briefly displayed. 
>> When then display went out I measured the anodes and cathodes of both d6
>> and d7 and measured nearly zero volts on both. 
>>
>> 
>
> I tested the voltages on D6 and D7 anodes again when I powered up.  I had to
> power up twice, but each showed around 7 volts before they fell to near
> zero.  I have found that I can let the unit sit for a few minutes before I
> re-power and I don't have to pull the control board to reset the relays. 
> This only gives me about 2 seconds to make the measurement.
> The voltage on the gate of Q4 is 5 volts.  The voltage on the Gate of Q3 is
> close to zero for the brief period I have to make the measurement.  After a
> few moments the gate of Q4 drops to zero.
>
>  How do I tell which is shorted?  I made the following measurements to
> resistance measurements referenced to ground.
>
> Q3
>   S  - 0.4 M
>   G  - 5.4 M
>   D  - 8.1 M
>
> Q4
>   S  -  0.3 ohms 
>   G  -  3.9 K ohms
>   D  -  8.1 K ohms
>
> I am assuming the culprit is Q4.  Am I correct?  Is it possible the
> something else is fried that may take out Q4 if I install a replacement?  I
> still have 4 boards that I have not built (SSB, DSP2, AT and NB).   I
> believe at least one of these has a 2N7000 I can rob for a temporary
> replacement.  I just don't want to install it until I am sure another
> failure somewhere else upstream won't cause it to fail.  Are there any other
> items I should check before I replace the failed transistor?  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
>
>
>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2 After nearby power surge

2009-02-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Fred,

Zero volts on both is way better than 8 volts on both - at least the K2 
is not trying to transmit.

Check the gates of Q3 and Q4 on the control board.  The gate of Q4 
should be at 5 volts and the gate of Q3 should be near zero.  If that is 
true (and only if that is true), short the drain of Q4 to its source and 
see if the 8R voltage rail comes to life - 8 volts at the anode of D6.
If so, replace Q4.  If still no 8 volts on 8R, then something is wrong 
with Q2 (likely open).
OTOH, if the gates of both Q3 and Q4 are near zero volts, you have a bad 
microprocessor output.

73,
Don W3FPR

PS: Top posting is preferred here, it is easier to see the latest 
without scrolling all the way to the bottom - on some posts it is hard 
to determine what has been added - I know about 'netiquette', but that 
is slow and laborious.

KC9QQ wrote:
>
> Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
>   
>> Fred,
>>
>> In cases like yours, first step is to connect a dummy load to the K2 
>> just in case it is trying to transmit - it is not good to enter transmit 
>> state without a load on the PA transistors.  If it is a K2/100, remove 
>> the KPA100 and connect the dummy load to the BNC antenna jack on the 
>> lower rear panel.
>>
>> First thing is to check the state of the 8T and 8R voltage rails. Those 
>> are easily checked at the anodes of D6 and D7.  If D7 anode has 8 volts 
>> on it while D6 anode has zero volts, then the K2 is in a transmit 
>> state.  If both D7 and D6 anodes have 8 volts present, power it only 
>> briefly while making further checks lest some components overheat.
>>
>> If both 8T and 8R are present, you need to check the state of the RX 
>> signal at the gate of control board Q4 as well as the TX signal at the 
>> gate of CB Q3 - one should be on (about 5 volts) while the other should 
>> be off (near zero volts).  If both of these are on, the microprocessor 
>> was zapped with the power surge, but if only one is on, the problem is a 
>> shorted Q3 or Q4 on the control board.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> Fred Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> I also just noticed that the power output transistors Q7 and Q8 are 
>>> getting warm when the power is on.  I did not say  before but, their 
>>> is no display or any other activity on the control board or front panel.
>>>
>>> Fred, KC9QQ
>>>
>>>   
> Don,
>
> I pulled the control board again to reset the relays and then reinstalled it
> to make the measurements on D6 and D7.  When I powered the unit, Elecraft
> was again shown and the frequency of 7100 was briefly displayed.  When then
> display went out I measured the anodes and cathodes of both d6 and d7 and
> measured nearly zero volts on both.
>
> Fred
>
>   
>   
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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2 After nearby power surge

2009-02-11 Thread KC9QQ



KC9QQ wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
>> 
>> Fred,
>> 
>> In cases like yours, first step is to connect a dummy load to the K2 
>> just in case it is trying to transmit - it is not good to enter transmit 
>> state without a load on the PA transistors.  If it is a K2/100, remove 
>> the KPA100 and connect the dummy load to the BNC antenna jack on the 
>> lower rear panel.
>> 
>> First thing is to check the state of the 8T and 8R voltage rails. Those 
>> are easily checked at the anodes of D6 and D7.  If D7 anode has 8 volts 
>> on it while D6 anode has zero volts, then the K2 is in a transmit 
>> state.  If both D7 and D6 anodes have 8 volts present, power it only 
>> briefly while making further checks lest some components overheat.
>> 
>> If both 8T and 8R are present, you need to check the state of the RX 
>> signal at the gate of control board Q4 as well as the TX signal at the 
>> gate of CB Q3 - one should be on (about 5 volts) while the other should 
>> be off (near zero volts).  If both of these are on, the microprocessor 
>> was zapped with the power surge, but if only one is on, the problem is a 
>> shorted Q3 or Q4 on the control board.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Don,
> 
> I pulled the control board again to reset the relays and then reinstalled
> it to make the measurements on D6 and D7.  When I powered the unit,
> Elecraft was again shown and the frequency of 7100 was briefly displayed. 
> When then display went out I measured the anodes and cathodes of both d6
> and d7 and measured nearly zero volts on both. 
> 

I tested the voltages on D6 and D7 anodes again when I powered up.  I had to
power up twice, but each showed around 7 volts before they fell to near
zero.  I have found that I can let the unit sit for a few minutes before I
re-power and I don't have to pull the control board to reset the relays. 
This only gives me about 2 seconds to make the measurement.
The voltage on the gate of Q4 is 5 volts.  The voltage on the Gate of Q3 is
close to zero for the brief period I have to make the measurement.  After a
few moments the gate of Q4 drops to zero.

 How do I tell which is shorted?  I made the following measurements to
resistance measurements referenced to ground.

Q3
  S  - 0.4 M
  G  - 5.4 M
  D  - 8.1 M

Q4
  S  -  0.3 ohms 
  G  -  3.9 K ohms
  D  -  8.1 K ohms

I am assuming the culprit is Q4.  Am I correct?  Is it possible the
something else is fried that may take out Q4 if I install a replacement?  I
still have 4 boards that I have not built (SSB, DSP2, AT and NB).   I
believe at least one of these has a 2N7000 I can rob for a temporary
replacement.  I just don't want to install it until I am sure another
failure somewhere else upstream won't cause it to fail.  Are there any other
items I should check before I replace the failed transistor?  

Thanks,

Fred


Fred
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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2 After nearby power surge

2009-02-11 Thread KC9QQ



Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
> 
> Fred,
> 
> In cases like yours, first step is to connect a dummy load to the K2 
> just in case it is trying to transmit - it is not good to enter transmit 
> state without a load on the PA transistors.  If it is a K2/100, remove 
> the KPA100 and connect the dummy load to the BNC antenna jack on the 
> lower rear panel.
> 
> First thing is to check the state of the 8T and 8R voltage rails. Those 
> are easily checked at the anodes of D6 and D7.  If D7 anode has 8 volts 
> on it while D6 anode has zero volts, then the K2 is in a transmit 
> state.  If both D7 and D6 anodes have 8 volts present, power it only 
> briefly while making further checks lest some components overheat.
> 
> If both 8T and 8R are present, you need to check the state of the RX 
> signal at the gate of control board Q4 as well as the TX signal at the 
> gate of CB Q3 - one should be on (about 5 volts) while the other should 
> be off (near zero volts).  If both of these are on, the microprocessor 
> was zapped with the power surge, but if only one is on, the problem is a 
> shorted Q3 or Q4 on the control board.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> Fred Keller wrote:
>> I also just noticed that the power output transistors Q7 and Q8 are 
>> getting warm when the power is on.  I did not say  before but, their 
>> is no display or any other activity on the control board or front panel.
>>
>> Fred, KC9QQ
>>
>>
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Don,

I pulled the control board again to reset the relays and then reinstalled it
to make the measurements on D6 and D7.  When I powered the unit, Elecraft
was again shown and the frequency of 7100 was briefly displayed.  When then
display went out I measured the anodes and cathodes of both d6 and d7 and
measured nearly zero volts on both.

Fred

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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2 After nearby power surge

2009-02-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
Fred,

In cases like yours, first step is to connect a dummy load to the K2 
just in case it is trying to transmit - it is not good to enter transmit 
state without a load on the PA transistors.  If it is a K2/100, remove 
the KPA100 and connect the dummy load to the BNC antenna jack on the 
lower rear panel.

First thing is to check the state of the 8T and 8R voltage rails. Those 
are easily checked at the anodes of D6 and D7.  If D7 anode has 8 volts 
on it while D6 anode has zero volts, then the K2 is in a transmit 
state.  If both D7 and D6 anodes have 8 volts present, power it only 
briefly while making further checks lest some components overheat.

If both 8T and 8R are present, you need to check the state of the RX 
signal at the gate of control board Q4 as well as the TX signal at the 
gate of CB Q3 - one should be on (about 5 volts) while the other should 
be off (near zero volts).  If both of these are on, the microprocessor 
was zapped with the power surge, but if only one is on, the problem is a 
shorted Q3 or Q4 on the control board.

73,
Don W3FPR

Fred Keller wrote:
> I also just noticed that the power output transistors Q7 and Q8 are 
> getting warm when the power is on.  I did not say  before but, their 
> is no display or any other activity on the control board or front panel.
>
> Fred, KC9QQ
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2 After nearby power surge

2009-02-11 Thread KC9QQ



KC9QQ wrote:
> 
> I also just noticed that the power output transistors Q7 and Q8 are
> getting
> warm when the power is on.  I did not say  before but, their is no display
> or any other activity on the control board or front panel.
> 
> Fred, KC9QQ
> 
> 
> 
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I also just notice that the transistors Q7 and Q8 are getting warm when the
unit is powered.  Even though the display is dead.

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[Elecraft] Dead K2 After nearby power surge

2009-02-11 Thread Fred Keller
I also just noticed that the power output transistors Q7 and Q8 are getting
warm when the power is on.  I did not say  before but, their is no display
or any other activity on the control board or front panel.

Fred, KC9QQ
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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2-now lives!

2007-05-25 Thread Kristina Wright
Many thanks to all who replied to my question. What happened was that  
while I was putting T4 on, I overheated the 7-8 winding and it melted  
through the insulation of the 3-4 winding, therefore shorting it. So  
I just rewound it and it works!

Thanks again!

73,
Kristina  KE7LUC
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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2

2007-05-25 Thread Don Wilhelm

Kristina,

You will just have to continue measuring things until you discover the 
root cause.  Did you measure the resistance at the power plug with the 
power switch ON?  Try the checks below (in order until you find the source).


Measure the resistance to ground from the cathode of D12.  You may find 
it quite low (indicating a short).  Remove the control board and check 
it again - if the resistance increases, look for the problem on the 
control board.


If not on the control board, remove the heat sink and then recheck - if 
things are OK with the heat sink removed, check the thermal pads.


If you still have not found it, the 'hunting' gets more difficult.  Use 
the schematic to follow the path of the 12V voltage line - it starts at 
the lower right corner of RF Board sheet 1, and goes to the regulators 
on the control board, and various places on the RF Board (mostly on 
sheet 4).  Check those paths thoroughly, even if it means removing some 
components to see which side of the component the short is located.
Remember that the most likely cause is a solder bridge (connecting 2 
points that should not connect together) so a VERY careful visual 
inspection may reveal the problem source.


Work in an orderly manner - a short on a power line is difficult to find 
because the PC traces seem to go everywhere and it is difficult to 
isolate them - expect some frustration in the process.


73,
Don W3FPR

Kristina Wright wrote:

OK, here's what I've done so far: checked the resistance from the
power plug to ground, the meter read infinite resistance. Also checked
the voltage at the same and got 12 volts. Then I measured the voltage
at the cathode end of D10 and got 12 volts with the power switch on
and off, but at D12 I got nothing with the power off and 0.7 volts
with it on. Obviously the fuse is being tripped, but I still don't see
any shorts (yes I inspected the whole board carefully).
 Thanks for the help so far, any more ideas?

73,
Kristina, KE7LUC

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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2

2007-05-24 Thread Kristina Wright

OK, here's what I've done so far: checked the resistance from the
power plug to ground, the meter read infinite resistance. Also checked
the voltage at the same and got 12 volts. Then I measured the voltage
at the cathode end of D10 and got 12 volts with the power switch on
and off, but at D12 I got nothing with the power off and 0.7 volts
with it on. Obviously the fuse is being tripped, but I still don't see
any shorts (yes I inspected the whole board carefully).
 Thanks for the help so far, any more ideas?

73,
Kristina, KE7LUC


Jim, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Check the voltage at the power connector when it is dead and see if
you have 12 volts there.  Also check on the other side of the
resetable fuse on the right side of the rf board and make sure it is
not opening up.  A good place to check the voltage is at the cathode
end of the big power diode on the right side of the rf board.  and at
the pins of the on/off switch.

Jim K4ZM


Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


OK, check the resistance from the coaxial power plug to ground both with
the switch on and with it off.  If you find the resistance at 500 ohms
or more, then the K2 is likely OK, check your power supply and cord for
good solid connections - you are using a proper regulated power supply
rated at 3 amps or greater are you not?

If all is OK there, measure the voltage at D10 cathode and D12 cathode
(with the power turned on - of course).

73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2

2007-05-24 Thread Kristina Wright

Nothing I can see looks to be shorted. And yes I checked the
collectors of Q7 and Q8 and it was 1.6 k ohms, so the problem doesn't
seem to be there. I'll go fiddle with it some more.

Kristina, KE7LUC

On 5/24/07, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kristina,

It sounds like you have created a short in the DC power and the
resettable fuse is being activated.

Check all your soldering and the pad placement of the thermal pads for
the PA transistors.  Did you check for a short at the collectors of Q7
and Q8 as instructed?  If so, what was your resistance reading.

73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: [Elecraft] Dead K2

2007-05-24 Thread Don Wilhelm

Kristina,

It sounds like you have created a short in the DC power and the 
resettable fuse is being activated.


Check all your soldering and the pad placement of the thermal pads for 
the PA transistors.  Did you check for a short at the collectors of Q7 
and Q8 as instructed?  If so, what was your resistance reading.


73,
Don W3FPR

Kristina Wright wrote:

Hi all,
In building my K2 everything has gone perfectly and without a hitch 
until I got to the Alignment and Test, Part III. When I try to turn it 
on there's an audio "pop" but nothing on the LCD display and no relays 
clicking. It worked just fine before I installed the transmitter part. 
Its probably something simple, but I don't know what. Any ideas??


73,
Kristina, KE7LUC

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[Elecraft] Dead K2

2007-05-24 Thread Kristina Wright

Hi all,
In building my K2 everything has gone perfectly and without a hitch  
until I got to the Alignment and Test, Part III. When I try to turn  
it on there's an audio "pop" but nothing on the LCD display and no  
relays clicking. It worked just fine before I installed the  
transmitter part. Its probably something simple, but I don't know  
what. Any ideas??


73,
Kristina, KE7LUC

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[Elecraft] dead K2 is alive no

2004-08-06 Thread roffe
Hi everyone and thanks everyone for answering  "to my dead K2 on 3,5 and 
7,0"


the K2 is alive and the owner is reading the op.manual very very closley !

73 de Rolf
SM2MZC

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