Re: [K3] [Elecraft] Questions about ARRL review

2008-11-28 Thread Ignacy


  disc ceramic capacitors - bad for IMD!

If there is a problem with those capacitors at 30dbm, I am wondering about
the power amps especially SS where ceramic caps are used extensively. Seems
nearly all amp's IMD cam generated in those caps. Am I missing something?

Ignacy
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Re: [K3] [Elecraft] Questions about ARRL review

2008-11-28 Thread Jack Smith
Not all disk caps are the same - it depends on the dielectric. NP0 types 
are pretty good but the high K formulations, Z5U and Y5U are not so good.


I've written about capacitance versus voltage and harmonic distortion in 
various dielectrics at 
http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/capacitor_voltage_change.htm


Will revisit this in the future with some RF data.

Jack K8ZOA


Ignacy wrote:

  disc ceramic capacitors - bad for IMD!

If there is a problem with those capacitors at 30dbm, I am wondering about
the power amps especially SS where ceramic caps are used extensively. Seems
nearly all amp's IMD cam generated in those caps. Am I missing something?

Ignacy
  

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Re: [K3] [Elecraft] Questions about ARRL review

2008-11-28 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Ignacy wrote:


If there is a problem with those capacitors at 30dbm, I am wondering about
the power amps especially SS where ceramic caps are used extensively. 
Seems

nearly all amp's IMD cam generated in those caps. Am I missing something?




I suspect that when used in power amps any IMD products produced by ceramic 
capacitors will be masked by the IMD products generated by the active 
devices, be they tube or solid state. In a receiver the difference between 
the level of a given IMD product generated by an active device and the level 
of one of the 'parent' signals involved is much greater than it is in the 
majority if not all power amps, which means that any IMD contributed by 
passive devices can in some cases affect performance.


It is the NPO disc ceramics that I have found to be troublesome when used in 
crystal filters and / or RF tuned circuits.  Instead I use AVX's AQ12 
multilayer ceramic chip (SMD) capacitors which are rated for use at 
microwave.


Jack, I look forward to seeing your RF data.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD












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Re: [K3] [Elecraft] Questions about ARRL review

2008-11-27 Thread W7TEA

Thank you Lyle.  It never occurred to me that this was purposeful. I adjusted
the filter offsets with the 500 and 200hz filters to more closely center
them.

Guess I'll believe the factory settings from now on!

tnx,  Gary W7TEA



This asymmetry is due to the way in which the K3 aligns the roofing and 
DSP filter passbands.  The signal is not necessarily centered in the 
roofing filter passband; rather, the signal is shifted towards an edge 
to maximize the use of the roofing filter's skirt selectivity.


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