RE: [Elecraft] Dishwasher QRN to my K2 sn 1031

2005-04-13 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Jim makes excellent suggestions.

If you have a battery powered radio, you can tell if the RFI is arriving
through the power line. One thing that I'd check before going too crazy
chasing possibilities is to be sure the metal frame and cabinet is grounded.
It should be, but sometimes the ground has to be attached during
installation and it gets left off. A quick check between a known grounded
outlet and the case with an ohmmeter should show a ohm or two at most. 

Ron AC7AC


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Re: [Elecraft] Dishwasher QRN to my K2 sn 1031

2005-04-13 Thread Jim Brown
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:29:46 -0500, Kenneth A. Christiansen wrote:

>is a broadband noise. I have a portable radio and find noise all the 
way
>from 2 mHz to 20 mHz. 

Some thoughts. First, this issue has been discussed on the RFI list, and 
there are some RFI specialists who hang out there. A study of their 
archive is in order. 

Second, there are two basic ways the RF can be getting out of the washer 
-- radiated directly from an unshielded cabinet, and conducted on the 
power wiring. I suspect the power wiring. 

The first solution I would try with that is to form a common mode low 
pass filter on the power line. The easiest way to do that is wind as 
many turns of the power cord as you can around a 2.4" #43 toroid 
(commonly called an FT240-43), AND add bypass capacitors (around 0.05uF) 
from both sides of the AC line to the ground, and make sure the chassis 
of the machine is tied to this same ground. 

So, coming out of the machine, there's the choke, followed by caps to 
ground. That is, the caps are on the LINE side of the choke. AND there's 
a bond that does NOT go through the choke between the washer and the 
equipment ground at the outlet. This bond should be as short as 
possible, because it can be carrying some of the trash, and that trash 
can radiate. 

As to the number of turns: you probably can't put too many on it. I 
would aim for at least 7 turns, and try for a few more. What happens 
when you do this is that the ferrite choke develops a broad peak in its 
impedance that is actually a resonance between the inductance and the 
stray capacitance, and with the resistance of both the wire and the 
ferrite thrown in. With more turns, that resonance will move down in 
frequency. I've been working with Mike, W4EF, on a research project on 
these toroidal chokes, and will publish the work this fall. Mike's data 
shows that anything from about 7 to about 10 turns is ideal for 3.5 - 20 
MHz, and the greater number of turns will help things on 80 and 160.

If this solution doesn't make a dent, the trash is getting radiated. In 
that case, I would call the mfr and tell them to fix it. 

Jim Brown  K9YC


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