Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns
What held me back from completing my K3 order was the small front panel. I played with one in Aptos and decided that while I'd much prefer a larger panel with more space between the knobs, the K3 would work. I've most recently owned an Orion, an Omni VI+ and an Omni VII. I tend to like big. Hope the K3 arrives next month. Gary W7TEA IC-7800 height or even a tad more. I'm not a fan of making radios as small as possible. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/The-K3-in-comprison-to-the-Big-Guns-tp17267266p17297786.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns [OT]
IMO one area where the IC-7700 and co. win out is in ergonomics, especially for those of us who are members of the Terminally Bewildered club (tired eyes, colour blindness). Given the extra real estate this may seem like a daft comparison, but the FTDX-9000's tuning knob(s) and the IC-7700 / IC-7800 display are excellent. Having said that the K3's use of the available panel space is outstanding! Is an IC-7700 worth the price of 2 x K3? Quite possibly, the first two shipments are sold out, from the Yahoo! list users are delighted. Now back to the programming... Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Jan Erik Holm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Money isn´t the answer to everything!!! This I did learn many many moons ago. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns [OT]
Simon, they might have been even more delighted with a K3! (We shall never know.) If being sold out is a measure of satisfaction, I shouldn think the K3's order backlog would put it at the top of the list :-) 73 to all Geoff G3UCK - Original Message - From: Simon Brown (HB9DRV) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is an IC-7700 worth the price of 2 x K3? Quite possibly, the first two shipments are sold out, from the Yahoo! list users are delighted. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns
IC-7800 height or even a tad more. I'm not a fan of making radios as small as possible. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] How many units high? On 16 May 2008, at 09:43, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: I would willingly pay a lot for a K3 in a 19 case. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns
Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: IC-7800 height or even a tad more. I'm not a fan of making radios as small as possible. Perhaps not, but a lot of people don't have the luxury of large rooms to operate in. With the box room I have to use, I wouldn't have the space for an IC-7400 even if I could afford one (or manage to carry it up the stairs without hospitalizing myself with a back injury!) The K3 is just about perfect for my situation. - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/The-K3-in-comprison-to-the-Big-Guns-tp17267266p17274024.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns
Hi Dave, Right you are! Actually, Shane's thinking is a bit flawed. He equates performance with product price and weight. And, neither should be part of the criteria. We have, sadly, become the victims of marketing. We are slammed with it every day. The product that costs more, MUST (somehow) be better than it's cheaper competition ! As Elecraft proves. that's not always true ! 73, Joe - W1AIU From: Dave KQ3T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:36 AM To: Joe Stofko Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comprison to the Big Guns Or, to make an analogy more along the lines of manufactured products... What has better performance? A 10-ton Mack truck or a 1500-lb F1 Ferrari? That said, there are ergonomic considerations that may be compromised in the smaller design (as they are in the Ferrari). 73, Dave KQ3T Joe Stofko wrote: Please...please excuse me for being overly simplistic.. but, I just cannot help myself ! :)Shane, your questions and bewilderment are certainly understandable... but, think of it this way... a 1-inch solid cube of lead might cost a few dollars... a 1-inch hollow cube of gold might cost several hundred dollars... The gold sure does look nice... but which one would you rather have as a paper weight ? 73, Joe - W1AIU Shane White wrote: That's it, I'm going to ask the silly question. How can the K3's receiver outperform that of the Icom IC-7800 and Yaesu FTDX9000? These two radios cost in excess of $11,000 and weigh in at over 25Kg (55lbs)! The K3 costs about $2000 and weighs about 4Kg (8.5lbs). Yes the K3 is deficient of a screen, internal PSU and some knobs but why on earth is there such a difference in price and weight? Given this, how can the K3's receiver outperform these other radios? These questions keep bugging me. Those glossy Yaesu and Icom brochures certainly don't help! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns
I think that's an unreasonable statement Joe. Please have another read of my initial post. I didn't make any such assumption, I merely questioned the relative cost and performance of some radios. No 73's for you. Shane. Joe Stofko-2 wrote: Hi Dave, Right you are! Actually, Shane's thinking is a bit flawed. He equates performance with product price and weight. Joe - W1AIU -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/The-K3-in-comprison-to-the-Big-Guns-tp17267266p17275630.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns
I've been following the 'big gun' thread with interest. I'm astonished that this group seems to imply that 'big gun' status depends upon the radio you own, rather than the amplifiers and antennas you use. Most rigs today put out between 100-200 watts, regardless of price. DX'ing and contesting success seems to me to be related to your amplifier and your antennas, not your radio. The radio only comes into play on the low bands, where being able to hear the weak ones through the noise becomes important. All this begs the question, Who is a 'big gun'? Is it someone with a 5 figure radio, someone who breaks all the pile-ups with one call, someone who wins all of the contests, someone who is on top of the Honor Roll and has 5BWAZ, or someone who has 160 acres of antenna farm with full wavelength beverages every 22.5 degrees? Maybe it's all of the above, but I doubt it. I'm a little pistol by most definitions, but I'm #1 Honor Roll, have 2507 band-entities toward the Challenge, and hold the WPX Award of Excellence endorsed for 160, 30, 17, 12, and digital modes. I lack 8 entities on 160 for 9BDXCC, lack 6 zones for 5BWAZ. I've been DX'ing since 1981, and I use an FT-100 (FT-707 before that), 600 watts of amplifier power, a TH-11 at 48 ft. (since 1996, a HF6V before that), a side mounted 5 element yagi on 6 meters, and a HF2V with 30 meter coil. I have a flag, mag loop, and low 80 meter dipole to help me hear better on 160. My entire antenna farm is crammed into a back yard in town that measures 60x70 ft. So why did I order a K3? Because I can't hear the DX very well on 80 and 160, and I'm betting that the K3 will enable me to improve my low band Challenge score and finish 5BWAZ from my sub-optimal location. Besides, I'm retiring, and it's time for my dream radio. Maybe 'big gun' is more about what you do than what you have, but I'm really looking forward to my K3. Nelson, KU0A ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns
same here, I was going for the FT-2000 before the K3 announcement - that changed a lot of things, including having the space to put it on my desk -- If you must play, decide on three things at the start: the rules of the game, the stakes, and the quitting time. -Chinese Proverb On 16 May 2008, at 13:54, G4ILO wrote: Perhaps not, but a lot of people don't have the luxury of large rooms to operate in. With the box room I have to use, I wouldn't have the space for an IC-7400 even if I could afford one (or manage to carry it up the stairs without hospitalizing myself with a back injury!) The K3 is just about perfect for my situation. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns
Bill You got me. I never read your reference, going strictly by the advertisements. I don't own a 7800, likely never will, so its actual vs advertised performance, and that of all the other recent offshore boxes, shall remain a mystery. Also if I recall back then ARRL made 5KHz close in measurements giving manufacturers the opportunity to design for and look good in 5KHz spacing reviews. Meanwhile Sherwood et al were measuring down to 2KHz and below which made the design compromises (read faults to us low band dxers) painfully obvious, backing up what we were hearing - or not - on the air. 73 Art Message: 51 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:26:48 -0400 From: Bill Tippett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Elecraft] The K3 in comparison to the Big Guns K6XT wrote: I note that the 7800 first appeared with something like a 6KHz first IF filter, got hammered in the press, eham etc. for lousy close-in performance, and quickly added a 3KHz 1st IF filter option. Bzzzt...you forgot Icom's advertising formula! Their 6 kHz filter is actually 11+ kHz and their 3 kHz is actually 5+ kHz (per Sherwood's measurements below). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elecraft_K3/message/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ic7800/message/3532http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ic7800/message/3532 Question: When can an 11+ kHz BW filter be called a 6 kHz filter? Answer: When Icom says so in their advertising. wink-wink Caveat emptor! 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
