Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
I do run Windows; too much essential software still in Windows only, Phil, at least for my various devices. So my MacBooks are all dual-boot, OS X "whatever" and Windows7. My DVD rip and burn machine is a Dell PC with really faster burners -- I also use it for archiving (has 7 TB of HDD). Linux I use where needed -- Raspberry Pi and Beaglebone Black. Phil W7OX On 6/4/14, 8:50 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: I don't run Windows -- Only Apple Macs in the house and been that way for a long time. peh On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: You are very luck, Phil -- assuming you run Windows. I just spent three days fixing a neighbor's Win7 computer that was full of trojans, viruses and malware. I *think* finally got it. He, also, had no anti-virus software. I installed a (free) virus scanner and an annit-malware program so he should be OK. I have four instances of Windows (one is 8.1) and do the same on mine. Mac OS X seems to be another story; my two Macs have never had a virus or malware problem Phil W7OX On 6/4/14, 7:48 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: I don't use any antivirus software and haven't in over 10 years. Never had a virus or a malware problem of any sort during this time. 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
... er... um... well, shoot, Grant... I understand the cigarette danger... but don't follow that bit about the Jack ... ;-) --K8JHR--- On 6/4/2014 10:56 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: That’s like claiming those 4 packs of Camel non-filters and 2 5ths of Jack a day haven’t caused any problems … yet … ;-) ___ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
This is interesting but what has it to do with "Subject"? Please start new thread when starting a new subject. It makes it a lot easier for us old folks to. "Keep up ". Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jun 4, 2014, at 11:55 AM, "Charlie T, K3ICH" wrote: > > OT, but I use the old "StopZilla" (AVM-2013) program which was the ONLY one > that found and fixed that popup telling you that you need to pay to have it > removed. Norton & McAfee said my system was fine. Then, after about two > minutes, the pop up popped up again! > StopZilla bagged it and I've never had a problem since I installed it. It's > not free, but you get a lifetime purchase and free updates which happen about > once a week as they keep up with the latest malware/spyware etc. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > - Original Message - From: "Phil Wheeler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus > > >> You are very luck, Phil -- assuming you run Windows. I just spent three days >> fixing a neighbor's Win7 computer that was full of trojans, viruses and >> malware. I *think* finally got it. He, also, had no anti-virus software. >> >> I installed a (free) virus scanner and an annit-malware program so he should >> be OK. I have four instances of Windows (one is 8.1) and do the same on mine. >> >> Mac OS X seems to be another story; my two Macs have never had a virus or >> malware problem >> >> Phil W7OX >> >>> On 6/4/14, 7:48 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >>> I don't use any antivirus software and haven't in over 10 years. Never had >>> a virus or a malware problem of any sort during this time. >>> >>> 73, phil, K7PEH >>> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pin...@erols.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
OT, but I use the old "StopZilla" (AVM-2013) program which was the ONLY one that found and fixed that popup telling you that you need to pay to have it removed. Norton & McAfee said my system was fine. Then, after about two minutes, the pop up popped up again! StopZilla bagged it and I've never had a problem since I installed it. It's not free, but you get a lifetime purchase and free updates which happen about once a week as they keep up with the latest malware/spyware etc. 73, Charlie k3ICH - Original Message - From: "Phil Wheeler" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus You are very luck, Phil -- assuming you run Windows. I just spent three days fixing a neighbor's Win7 computer that was full of trojans, viruses and malware. I *think* finally got it. He, also, had no anti-virus software. I installed a (free) virus scanner and an annit-malware program so he should be OK. I have four instances of Windows (one is 8.1) and do the same on mine. Mac OS X seems to be another story; my two Macs have never had a virus or malware problem Phil W7OX On 6/4/14, 7:48 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: I don't use any antivirus software and haven't in over 10 years. Never had a virus or a malware problem of any sort during this time. 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
I don't run Windows -- Only Apple Macs in the house and been that way for a long time. peh On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: > You are very luck, Phil -- assuming you run Windows. I just spent three days > fixing a neighbor's Win7 computer that was full of trojans, viruses and > malware. I *think* finally got it. He, also, had no anti-virus software. > > I installed a (free) virus scanner and an annit-malware program so he should > be OK. I have four instances of Windows (one is 8.1) and do the same on mine. > > Mac OS X seems to be another story; my two Macs have never had a virus or > malware problem > > Phil W7OX > > On 6/4/14, 7:48 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I don't use any antivirus software and haven't in over 10 years. Never had >> a virus or a malware problem of any sort during this time. >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
On 6/4/2014 8:18 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: Mac OS X seems to be another story; my two Macs have never had a virus or malware problem It's because Mac OS has a higher cost of 0wnership. Write a trojan for Windows and you have an order of magnitude more machines to potentially infect. The last true "virus" I saw was in 2003. Everything I've seen since is a Trojan, and somewhere in the last 3000 years we should have learned not to bring the horse into our city. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
You are very luck, Phil -- assuming you run Windows. I just spent three days fixing a neighbor's Win7 computer that was full of trojans, viruses and malware. I *think* finally got it. He, also, had no anti-virus software. I installed a (free) virus scanner and an annit-malware program so he should be OK. I have four instances of Windows (one is 8.1) and do the same on mine. Mac OS X seems to be another story; my two Macs have never had a virus or malware problem Phil W7OX On 6/4/14, 7:48 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: I don't use any antivirus software and haven't in over 10 years. Never had a virus or a malware problem of any sort during this time. 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
I don't use any antivirus software and haven't in over 10 years. Never had a virus or a malware problem of any sort during this time. 73, phil, K7PEH On Jun 4, 2014, at 7:25 AM, John Cooper wrote: > I use the free microsoft one. I also keep malwarebyte and rkill handy if > needed. > > > Sent from my Cricket smartphone > > Original message > From: Alan Bloom > Date: 06/03/2014 21:20 (GMT-06:00) > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus > >> Whose antivirus software does one use these days? > > I'll keep this short since it's off-topic. > > I have used Trend Micro Titanium anti-virus for years. I like it > because it has a small footprint: it doesn't hog computer resources and > doesn't keep getting in your face like Norton and some of the others. > I've never had it flag a good file as bad, but of course there is no way > of knowing if it is trading off security for convenience. > > It's also cheap. > > Alan N1AL > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w...@gt.rr.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
That’s like claiming those 4 packs of Camel non-filters and 2 5ths of Jack a day haven’t caused any problems … yet … ;-) On Jun 4, 2014, at 9:48 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I don't use any antivirus software and haven't in over 10 years. Never had a > virus or a malware problem of any sort during this time. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
I use the free microsoft one. I also keep malwarebyte and rkill handy if needed. Sent from my Cricket smartphone Original message From: Alan Bloom Date: 06/03/2014 21:20 (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus > Whose antivirus software does one use these days? I'll keep this short since it's off-topic. I have used Trend Micro Titanium anti-virus for years. I like it because it has a small footprint: it doesn't hog computer resources and doesn't keep getting in your face like Norton and some of the others. I've never had it flag a good file as bad, but of course there is no way of knowing if it is trading off security for convenience. It's also cheap. Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@gt.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
> Whose antivirus software does one use these days? I'll keep this short since it's off-topic. I have used Trend Micro Titanium anti-virus for years. I like it because it has a small footprint: it doesn't hog computer resources and doesn't keep getting in your face like Norton and some of the others. I've never had it flag a good file as bad, but of course there is no way of knowing if it is trading off security for convenience. It's also cheap. Alan N1AL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
Keith, A similar thing happened to me with Roy Lewallen's EZNEC V.5.0 antenna modeling software. AVG reports it as containing a virus! As such, it is does not, but again a false positive on the part of AVG. Roy related via a telephone conversation that he had to change the way he compiled the software to reduce the odds of a false positive being reported by various AV software. Whose antivirus software does one use these days? I don't know. AVG gets it wrong, and so does McAfee, Avast and Norton . Maybe one of them will get it right someday. John W8UL On 6/3/2014 12:10 PM, kb9...@wi.rr.com wrote: I got a response finally yesterday, and they resent the mod, but it still comes back saying it has the same virus. Elecraft said it was because it's a EXE file, and renamed it a XEX file, but that didn't seem to matter to the AVG Antivirus. This is coming directly from Elecraft, and also believe it is a false positive, but was curious if anyone else has expeirienced this as well. Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: "Mike Reublin" To: Cc: "Elecraft List" <> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus Most likely a false positive. Do you know which of the Elecraft guys wrote it? Did they email it to you or did you download it? Contact Elecraft again. It's not like them to be non responsive. Then notify AVG so they can correct their software. 73, Mike NF4L On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:21 PM, wrote: Has anyone else encountered this? My AVG virus S/W is saying that my K3 MARS mod (which I have not used yet) contains the Win32/DH virus. I e-mailed Elecraft a week ago, but got no response. Keith KB9WMJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@nf4l.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@insight.rr.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7614 - Release Date: 06/03/14 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
On 6/3/2014 9:10 AM, kb9...@wi.rr.com wrote: I got a response finally yesterday, and they resent the mod, but it still comes back saying it has the same virus. Elecraft said it was because it's a EXE file, and renamed it a XEX file, but that didn't seem to matter to the AVG Antivirus. That may make a difference to some email clients when an attachment ends in .exe but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter to anti-virus software. This is coming directly from Elecraft, and also believe it is a false positive, but was curious if anyone else has expeirienced this as well. The next to latest version of AVG told me the Microchip C-18 compiler was infected. They fixed it in the next update. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
I've had a couple of other amateur files show false positives for various viruses. The "science" of virus protection is as much art as science. This is one of many examples. 73, Scott, N9AA On 6/3/14 12:10 PM, kb9...@wi.rr.com wrote: I got a response finally yesterday, and they resent the mod, but it still comes back saying it has the same virus. Elecraft said it was because it's a EXE file, and renamed it a XEX file, but that didn't seem to matter to the AVG Antivirus. This is coming directly from Elecraft, and also believe it is a false positive, but was curious if anyone else has expeirienced this as well. Keith KB9WMJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
Its a false positive. We see these from time to time with all of the Virus detectors. Eric elecraft.com On 6/3/2014 3:14 AM, Mike Reublin wrote: Most likely a false positive. Do you know which of the Elecraft guys wrote it? Did they email it to you or did you download it? Contact Elecraft again. It's not like them to be non responsive. Then notify AVG so they can correct their software. 73, Mike NF4L On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:21 PM, wrote: Has anyone else encountered this? My AVG virus S/W is saying that my K3 MARS mod (which I have not used yet) contains the Win32/DH virus. I e-mailed Elecraft a week ago, but got no response. Keith KB9WMJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@nf4l.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
I got a response finally yesterday, and they resent the mod, but it still comes back saying it has the same virus. Elecraft said it was because it's a EXE file, and renamed it a XEX file, but that didn't seem to matter to the AVG Antivirus. This is coming directly from Elecraft, and also believe it is a false positive, but was curious if anyone else has expeirienced this as well. Keith KB9WMJ - Original Message - From: "Mike Reublin" To: Cc: "Elecraft List" <> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus Most likely a false positive. Do you know which of the Elecraft guys wrote it? Did they email it to you or did you download it? Contact Elecraft again. It's not like them to be non responsive. Then notify AVG so they can correct their software. 73, Mike NF4L On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:21 PM, wrote: > Has anyone else encountered this? > > My AVG virus S/W is saying that my K3 MARS mod (which I have not used yet) > contains the Win32/DH virus. > > I e-mailed Elecraft a week ago, but got no response. > > > Keith > KB9WMJ > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@nf4l.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 MARS mod, showing a virus
Most likely a false positive. Do you know which of the Elecraft guys wrote it? Did they email it to you or did you download it? Contact Elecraft again. It's not like them to be non responsive. Then notify AVG so they can correct their software. 73, Mike NF4L On Jun 2, 2014, at 5:21 PM, wrote: > Has anyone else encountered this? > > My AVG virus S/W is saying that my K3 MARS mod (which I have not used yet) > contains the Win32/DH virus. > > I e-mailed Elecraft a week ago, but got no response. > > > Keith > KB9WMJ > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@nf4l.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
