Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 XCVR serial connection

2018-02-28 Thread Paul Baldock
The KPA1500 will just be listening. There will be 
no issue with the +6V from the TS-990 true RS232 
being heard by the KPA-1500 and PC, however I am 
concerned that the -6V from the true RS232 might 
get clamped close to 0V by the KPA-1500 input and 
so screw up communications between the TS-990 and 
the PC. Hopefully the KPA1500 has a reasonable 
input resistor and so clamping will be minimal.


- Paul

At 04:25 PM 2/28/2018, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Paul,

It is possible that short runs of "RS-232" can operate on TTL levels.
There certainly is no problem at the 5 volt 
level, that is entirely within the range of the + level valid RS-232 signals.


The possible problem is with the low level.  A 
proper RS-232 receiver should ignore levels 
between -3 volts and +3 volts because it could be in a range defined as noise.
However, all receivers are not designed to 
ignore a 0 volts low level. The receiver on the 
KX2 and KX3 as well as the XG3 (and probably 
others as well) will interpret 0 volts as a low level.


Note that the 'real' RS-232 spec is written for 
very long communications lines.  Short lines (10 
feet or so) can take liberties with the levels 
if the receivers are such that they can tolerate 
those switching levels yet will accept signals 
with the full RS-232 voltage swings.


Properly connected, you would need to have the 
KPA1500 TxD disconnected and depend on the PC 
application to poll the radio while the KPA1500 
'listens' in to get its frequency information.
Without the PC connection (and the KPA1500 TxD 
connected, the KPA1500 will poll the radio for that information.


RS-232 is point to point communications and not 
multipoint, although there can be multiple 
receivers listening to the communications, there can only be one driver.
Sort of like ham radio - everybody can listen, 
but if two operators transmit on the same 
frequency, they will QRM each other and "data corruption" occurs.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/28/2018 6:30 PM, Paul Baldock wrote:

The manual on page 24 says:
Serial: A Kenwood, Yaesu, Elecraft K2, K3, K3S, 
KX2, or KX3, or FlexRadio® transceiver that 
responds to IF; FA; FB; FT; polls with 
frequency and VFO information. The XCVR SERIAL 
connector is configured as TTL-level RS-232
Is it really TTL?. I planned to use this 
connected to the serial data line that goes 
between my Kenwood TS-990 and PC, such that the 
KPA1500 will catch the frequency data triggered 
by my logging program. This works great with 
the KPA500 which I assume  uses true RS232 
levels. If the KPA1500 does indeed use TTL 
levels will it capture the data, and will it 
not corrupt the RS232 levels between the PC and TS-990?

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 XCVR serial connection

2018-02-28 Thread Don Wilhelm

Paul,

It is possible that short runs of "RS-232" can operate on TTL levels.
There certainly is no problem at the 5 volt level, that is entirely 
within the range of the + level valid RS-232 signals.


The possible problem is with the low level.  A proper RS-232 receiver 
should ignore levels between -3 volts and +3 volts because it could be 
in a range defined as noise.
However, all receivers are not designed to ignore a 0 volts low level. 
The receiver on the KX2 and KX3 as well as the XG3 (and probably others 
as well) will interpret 0 volts as a low level.


Note that the 'real' RS-232 spec is written for very long communications 
lines.  Short lines (10 feet or so) can take liberties with the levels 
if the receivers are such that they can tolerate those switching levels 
yet will accept signals with the full RS-232 voltage swings.


Properly connected, you would need to have the KPA1500 TxD disconnected 
and depend on the PC application to poll the radio while the KPA1500 
'listens' in to get its frequency information.
Without the PC connection (and the KPA1500 TxD connected, the KPA1500 
will poll the radio for that information.


RS-232 is point to point communications and not multipoint, although 
there can be multiple receivers listening to the communications, there 
can only be one driver.
Sort of like ham radio - everybody can listen, but if two operators 
transmit on the same frequency, they will QRM each other and "data 
corruption" occurs.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/28/2018 6:30 PM, Paul Baldock wrote:

The manual on page 24 says:

Serial: A Kenwood, Yaesu, Elecraft K2, K3, K3S, KX2, or KX3, or 
FlexRadio® transceiver that responds to IF; FA; FB; FT; polls with 
frequency and VFO information. The XCVR SERIAL connector is configured 
as TTL-level RS-232


Is it really TTL?. I planned to use this connected to the serial data 
line that goes between my Kenwood TS-990 and PC, such that the KPA1500 
will catch the frequency data triggered by my logging program. This 
works great with the KPA500 which I assume  uses true RS232 levels. If 
the KPA1500 does indeed use TTL levels will it capture the data, and 
will it not corrupt the RS232 levels between the PC and TS-990?

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