Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Does It need Preamp for 6M?

2013-06-20 Thread Fred Smith
Jim

Mine seems to be as good as any radio that I have owned except for the K3
without the external one. I have been making many 6m QRP contacts SSB with
my KX3 to date 47 total in the last several weeks, using a small yagi.

If I were going to work weak signal usually not much done QRP a mast mounted
preamp would be in order.


73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser #'s 6730/5299--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2




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Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Does It need Preamp for 6M?

We may use a KX3 in a very quiet mountaintop QTH on FD. Does it need a
preamp for 6M?  Notice that I said a VERY QUIET location.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Does It need Preamp for 6M?

2013-06-20 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/20/2013 10:25 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
I would dispute the advantage of mast mounting a preamp on 6m. 


It all depends on how much loss is in your run of coax, and how quiet 
your location is.  The run to my SteppIR is 350 ft of 7/8-in hard line, 
just under 1 dB at 50 MHz, and my QTH is not very quiet, so I'm happy 
with my ARR GasFET preamp at the K3 patch point.


The decision to mast-mount or not is pretty simple.  If you hear the 
band noise increase by at least 7 dB when you connect the antenna, leave 
the preamp in the shack.  If the noise rises by only a few dB, compute 
the loss in your line (see mfr data for the coax you're using).  If the 
noise increases by only 3dB with the connected (and no preamp), you'll 
see an increase in your ability to hear weak signals of roughly one 
third of the line loss. If the noise doesn't increase at all, you'll see 
in improvement equal to ALL of the line loss.


How much is a dB worth?  It all depends how close to the noise level the 
signal is that you're trying to copy.  If it's VERY close to the noise, 
a dB or two can be the difference between making and missing the QSO.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - Does It need Preamp for 6M?

2013-06-19 Thread Wayne Burdick
Typical MDS on 6 meters with the 30 dB preamp setting is around -140 dBm. This 
should suffice for all but the most stringent low-noise applications.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote:

 We may use a KX3 in a very quiet mountaintop QTH on FD. Does it need a preamp 
 for 6M?  Notice that I said a VERY QUIET location.
 
 73, Jim K9YC
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