Re: [Elecraft] No thanks to SSTV on P3, let's get back on track.

2014-08-18 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN
In a lot of ways it’s a no-win situation.

Data guys want mo’ data stuff and changes to existing features.  Moon bounce 
weak signal guys want something else.  Something doesn’t work right for one 
mode used by a few.  CW guys will want something else.  A few don’t like the 
size of the cabinet.  And then there’s the location of the notch.  Etc.  
Everyone seems to have a personal want list depending on their personal 
interest and real or perceived faults in the radio.

Bill (if your name is Bill, don’t take it personally, please)  wants something 
done one way, Joe wants it done some other way, and John doesn’t like either 
one.  No matter what is done, someone will be unhappy or find yet one more 
“inexcusable” design choice or engineering “error” and find a few other people 
on the list who agree with him, as we split into armed camps over some issue or 
other that will prevent the apparently unforgivable requirement  to actually 
turn a knob or make a conscious decision to change a parameter.

Why would SSTV decode on the P3 be “off track”?  It would be an interesting 
feature, in any case.  If someone suggests something, 20 people chime in with 
“that’s nonsense’, followed immediately with their own “essentials” or gripe 
list which likely at least in part is just as much nonsense to others.  Design 
by committee doesn’t always yield a very good design.

One more curmudgeonly opinion, from someone who is simply happy that the whole 
thing works and is blessed with appendages expressly designed to manipulate 
buttons and knobs  … ;)

Grant NQ5T


On Aug 18, 2014, at 12:34 PM, david Moes dm...@nexicom.net wrote:

 add me into the per mode group.and auto reference level would be cool
 

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Re: [Elecraft] No thanks to SSTV on P3, let's get back on track.

2014-08-18 Thread Jim Brown

On Mon,8/18/2014 11:08 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

Design by committee doesn’t always yield a very good design.


Design without considering how a product will be used rarely produces a 
useful product. From where I sit, Wayne and Eric have been quite good at 
studying the needs of their customer base, engaging the BS filter 
between their ears, and incorporating as many features as possible that 
1) make more users happy without making others unhappy; 2) are useful to 
enough users to justify the development costs. This thread is directly 
targeted both. Programming time for some of these features is not cheap, 
and Elecraft is not a big company.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] No thanks to SSTV on P3, let's get back on track.

2014-08-18 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN

 
 Design without considering how a product will be used rarely produces a 
 useful product. From where I sit, Wayne and Eric have been quite good at 
 studying the needs of their customer base, engaging the BS filter between 
 their ears, and incorporating as many features as possible 

Certainly correct … 

Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] No thanks to SSTV on P3, let's get back on track.

2014-08-18 Thread Ray Sills
And it appears to be the case that new features have been added to the  
K3, P3, and KX3 (and likely PX3) =without= anyone having to sacrifice  
and existing feature... i.e. you can have voice messages, but not CW  
messages or ..., etc.  It seems to me the Elecraft design team has  
been able to make efficient use of existing firmware code space, yet  
still able to add new things.  Sooner or later, they are going to run  
out of space to hold the code... and/or supporting data.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211


On Aug 18, 2014, at 2:35 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:





Design without considering how a product will be used rarely  
produces a useful product. From where I sit, Wayne and Eric have  
been quite good at studying the needs of their customer base,  
engaging the BS filter between their ears, and incorporating as  
many features as possible


Certainly correct …

Grant NQ5T
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