Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
On 6/5/07, wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may vary by country, Charles, but in general we'll cover exactly the legal bands of operation, down to the nearest Hz. Why not leave it up to the operator to know where the band edges are, as did analogue radios of yore? Do hams really need a digital nanny to remind them where the bands start and end? These limits only cause frustration when the band allocations change (as did 40m a couple of years ago here) or when you take the radio to operate abroad, or when you want to use a transverter and need wider coverage than the band used as the IF. 73, -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
I agree with Julian - this could be programmed by the user, maybe via some nice CAT commands. An advantage would be restricting a remote-controlled K3 from transmitting on bands where the antenna doesn't work / causes TVI / interferes with the beer dispenser. Those of us outside the FCC's control are allowed to think for ourselves, please don't tie us down too much :-) Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why not leave it up to the operator to know where the band edges are, as did analogue radios of yore? Do hams really need a digital nanny to remind them where the bands start and end? These limits only cause frustration when the band allocations change (as did 40m a couple of years ago here) or when you take the radio to operate abroad, or when you want to use a transverter and need wider coverage than the band used as the IF. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
Why not leave it up to the operator to know where the band edges are, as did analogue radios of yore? Do hams really need a digital nanny to remind them where the bands start and end? These limits only cause frustration when the band allocations change (as did 40m a couple of years ago here) or when you take the radio to operate abroad, or when you want to use a transverter and need wider coverage than the band used as the IF. I second this fully! However some countries may require the digital nanny... vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
There's not much amateur radio activity outside the amateur radio bands (:o] David G3UNA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/06/05 Tue AM 10:01:59 BST To: Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query Why not leave it up to the operator to know where the band edges are, as did analogue radios of yore? Do hams really need a digital nanny to remind them where the bands start and end? These limits only cause frustration when the band allocations change (as did 40m a couple of years ago here) or when you take the radio to operate abroad, or when you want to use a transverter and need wider coverage than the band used as the IF. I second this fully! However some countries may require the digital nanny... vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Julian G4ILO wrote: Do hams really need a digital nanny to remind them where the bands start and end? I think you'd be surprised. In that vein, I wonder what our FCC regs say about manufacturers of Ham equipment selling rigs that are opened up by default, and not the usual 100KHz high or low? - -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGZVYi11jxjloa2wsRArDUAJ9xJYAGO1I5OZtGcbi0BZDr+MwQxwCgqeZT ECxpNlmNkeklkxpJg2//Dtw= =HtIM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
The country of my residence, Thailand, requires all transmitters (except cel telephones) to be registered upon importation. The Thai equiv. of FCC will not approve a transmitter that transmitts out of the now-existing ham bands and NOT ON SIX METERS NOR ON SIXTY METERS AT ALL. If the transmitter, as manufactured, covers, say 6.970 to 7.5, it is likely not to pass for being imported into this country. Julian, it is better for you to know these facts prior to your expressing an opinion that could be construed as simple minded, or just uninformed. Better luck next time, 73 Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Parkcp=33.832922~-117.915659style=rlvl=13tilt=-90dir=0alt=-1000scene=1118863encType=1FORM=MGAC01 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
On 6/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the nannyless situation you find yourself in applies only to the more fortunate countries. I sympathise with your situation. I'd be more sympathetic if your friend Charles hadn't written to me off-list calling me uninformed and simple-minded for expressing my opinion. These band limits may be necessary in your part of the world but they are not in ours and I don't see why we should have to be saddled with it. We pass exams to demonstrate competence to operate and even build our own radios and it is absurd that we can not be trusted not to operate out of band when using commercial equipment (of course, no such controls over home-brew.) The fact that some governments enforce such absurdity reflects only on the stupidity of governments, not the validity of my argument. -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
John, u and others are vy fortunate to live where citizens' voices are often heard by their governments. Wake up and know about the rest of the world. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play nowit's FREE! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
On Jun 5, 2007, at 8:45 AM, John GM4SLV wrote: Unfortunately the nannyless situation you find yourself in applies only to the more fortunate countries. Snip tale of authoritarian woe I'm presuming that HS has enough attractions to make up for its poor treatment of amateur radio, otherwise you wouldn't be there... ... Hang on...didn't you say that HS didn't have 6m or the WARC bands? Then how are you going to get your K3s into the country, whether they transmit out of band or not? I agree, we should be able to make our radios do whatever we want them to do. That being said, many countries have regulations that limit what a radio may do in order to be approved for sale in that country. The easy solution is to put the limits in software so that the radio passes the regulatory requirements but allows the technically-savvy owner to make it do what they want it to. (wink- wink, nudge-nudge) 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query: clarification (and, please, end of thread)
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, wayne burdick wrote: Any constraints on frequency ranges will be *individually* applied to K3s based on the country they're going to. No rules from one country will be applied to that of another. Dang it Wayneyou guys are just too reasonable and show too much common sense. I guess not changing the logo or offering different case colors are the buggy-whip, immutable conditions. Thom,EIEIO k3hrn Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query: clarification (and, please, end of thread)
I know it sounds exactly opposite to the purpose of the feature, but will it be possible to change the frequency limits- i.e. if I want to take my K3 on a trip to somewhere with restrictive rules? Perhaps a special firmware download? 73, doug Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:06:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, wayne burdick wrote: Any constraints on frequency ranges will be *individually* applied to K3s based on the country they're going to. No rules from one country will be applied to that of another. Dang it Wayneyou guys are just too reasonable and show too much common sense. I guess not changing the logo or offering different case colors are the buggy-whip, immutable conditions. Thom,EIEIO k3hrn Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query: clarification (and, please, end of thread)
On 6/5/07, Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it sounds exactly opposite to the purpose of the feature, but will it be possible to change the frequency limits- i.e. if I want to take my K3 on a trip to somewhere with restrictive rules? Perhaps a special firmware download? Perhaps the kit-built ones could be left to the builders to define the limits - or not - since if they can manage to build the thing they should know how to operate it. -- Julian, G4ILO G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
Charles Harpole wrote: Julian, it is better for you to know these facts prior to your expressing an opinion that could be construed as simple minded, or just uninformed. Better luck next time, 73 Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Goodness, aren't we rude? --- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QRPariahs/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query
We will be providing K3's programmed for specific markets (such as Thailand) with TX limitations when required. In the U.S. though, I believe there are no FCC TX limits under part 97. As a matter of policy though we do block 100w transmit in the U.S. CB band. 73, Eric WA6HHQ http://www.elecraft.com P.S. One of our most important list guidelines is to keep everything cordial on and -off- the list. Please keep this in mind when posting. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 freqs query [END of Thread]
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