Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
Totally agree with Guy. It sometimes seems like those new to Elecraft and the K3 want to change the rig to act just like the rig they have or had before getting the K3. I love all the "menu suggestions" from the new owners. Never mind most of these suggestions have been hashed to death on the reflector and either implemented or rejected by Elecraft long before the "suggester" bought the radio. The split operation discussion is a perfect example. If the K3's feature set and UI don't measure up to your expectations sell the radio. Elecraft do listen to users suggestions but we have to remember this isn't a democracy, they make the decisions. If they decide NOT to implement your "best thing since sliced bread" suggestion don't bring it back to the reflector and have some kind of quasi vote on the subject. Seems to me more and more of these suggestions are an attempt to make the rig do everything taking the human out of the loop. Is it possible to TX on the DX frequency when operating split? Absolutely! If you do you deserve the raspberries you get because you weren't prepared. The middle of a rare DX pileup or contest is a TERRIBLE place to learn how to operate the rig. Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > I catch myself wondering if some posters have actually used the radio. I > need to work on my cynical streak. > > There is a specific [SPLT] icon when rig is operating split mode: RX on A > and TX on B. This is accompanied by a "TX" above an arrow pointing down to > [B] . [SPLT] TX > [B] does not go away while using RIT or XIT. The TX > delta F light indicates that if you key you will not be transmitting on the > VFO A frequency because of split mode or XIT. > > Will changing the steady light to blinking really fix anything? It's the > no-light situation that needs to call attention to itself. Normal, even a > blinking normal, will get tuned out by the mind. > > I find split operation with the KRX3 to be delightful, using a pair of > speakers and being able to listen to both the DX and the pile > simultaneously. Even without the KRX3, holding down REV and tuning the knob > with thumb to find TX frequency and release to transmit split, works very > well. > > However, there is no remedy for my showing up on a frequency stupid and/or > careless, no matter how I wish Aptos could have built in an idiot operator > auto-disable mode to save me embarassment. Alas, I have done my share of TX > on the DX frequency, with noone but myself to blame. Radio has no way of > knowing that I should be transmitting split. > > While the K3 scheme is fairly unlike my MP, I found that once the functions > are learned and put together for different situations, that the K3 > combinations are very powerful and quick. > > It's always me that's the problem, not the radio. > > 73, Guy. > __ > -- R. Kevin Stover ACØH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:49:16 +0200, "vidi" wrote: >Hi DX chasers >In chasing DX have been caught napping a few times, when I forgot to select >'split' and had to be reminded by someone on the DX freq about the blunder. >I was wondering if there is a way to more clearly show that 'split' is >activated. How about, in addition to the TX arrow pointing to B, also >flash the [B] VFO sign at say 2/sec to show and remind that 'split' is >active. >Red face Vidi - ZS1EL > [snip] Can you not see the encircled [SPLT] just to the left of the TX with the pointer pointing at the B VFO indicating that it is the Transmit VFO, the inverse of which is, You ain't in split mode? 73, Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6, XV144, XV432, KRC2, W1 and other small kits. 2 W2's on order 1 K144XV on order http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
Okay fair enough, don't have it blink... Have the display change freq. like most other rigs out there.. that's what I was after in the first place.. LOL.. Or I guess you could at least blink the little B (or the arrow) indicating that you're in a split mode. I'm just after something to Draw the attention to the user so they know they're still in that mode. > CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > From: jp...@jeffnet.org > To: notforc...@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:21:23 -0700 > > With all due respect, it's not the SAME EXACT indication. > > When RIT is on and you're not in split mode: > 1). The RIT indicator on the LCD is on. The SPLT indicator is off. > 2). The TX arrow on the LCD is pointing to A > 3). One of the LEDs above the RIT knob is lit. > 4). The delta-F LED on the left hand side is lit. > > When in split mode and with RIT off: > 1). The SPLT indicator on the LCD is on. The RIT indicator is off. > 2). The TX arrow on the LCD is pointing to B > 3). All the LEDs above the RIT knob are dark > 4). The delta-F LED on the left hand side is lit. > > 1 out of 4 indications is the same. The other 3 are different. > > Plus, what would you have the delta-F LED do if you have RIT on while > in SPLIT mode? > > 73 > -- > Joe KB8AP > > > On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:38 PM, The Smiths wrote: > > > As we already agreed, the RIT can put this rig into the SAME EXACT > > indication that it's in Split mode. Actually fooling the user. > > > _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split Reminder [END of Thread]
Lots of good input. Let's close this thread for now. Eric Elecraft Moderator _..._ -Original Message- From: rfenab...@gmail.com Date: Monday, Oct 19, 2009 5:04 pm Subject: [Elecraft] Split Reminder To: "Elecraft" Reply-To: rfenab...@gmail.com Can we just all agree to disagree and move on please? I reckon we have just about beat it to death...(:-)) Gary Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
Hi, I cmpletely agree with K2AV's observations. There is really nothing to be fixed here. With all the indications of split mode already there, another blinking LED is not going to make any difference. There is really no excuse for transmitting on the wrong VFO with the K3. Yes, it happens in the heat of the battle - we've all done it - but it's just not the K3's fault. AB2TC - Knut Guy, K2AV wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:38 PM, The Smiths > wrote: > >> >> Again, simply blinking the Delta F light (yellow LED) instead of having >> it >> on solid, as obnoxious as it is, would be better than nothing when in >> split >> mode. >> > > I catch myself wondering if some posters have actually used the radio. I > need to work on my cynical streak. > > There is a specific [SPLT] icon when rig is operating split mode: RX on A > and TX on B. This is accompanied by a "TX" above an arrow pointing down to > [B] . [SPLT] TX > [B] does not go away while using RIT or XIT. The TX > delta F light indicates that if you key you will not be transmitting on > the > VFO A frequency because of split mode or XIT. > > Will changing the steady light to blinking really fix anything? It's the > no-light situation that needs to call attention to itself. Normal, even a > blinking normal, will get tuned out by the mind. > > I find split operation with the KRX3 to be delightful, > www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Split-reminder-tp3851091p3855864.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:38 PM, The Smiths wrote: > > Again, simply blinking the Delta F light (yellow LED) instead of having it > on solid, as obnoxious as it is, would be better than nothing when in split > mode. > I catch myself wondering if some posters have actually used the radio. I need to work on my cynical streak. There is a specific [SPLT] icon when rig is operating split mode: RX on A and TX on B. This is accompanied by a "TX" above an arrow pointing down to [B] . [SPLT] TX > [B] does not go away while using RIT or XIT. The TX delta F light indicates that if you key you will not be transmitting on the VFO A frequency because of split mode or XIT. Will changing the steady light to blinking really fix anything? It's the no-light situation that needs to call attention to itself. Normal, even a blinking normal, will get tuned out by the mind. I find split operation with the KRX3 to be delightful, using a pair of speakers and being able to listen to both the DX and the pile simultaneously. Even without the KRX3, holding down REV and tuning the knob with thumb to find TX frequency and release to transmit split, works very well. However, there is no remedy for my showing up on a frequency stupid and/or careless, no matter how I wish Aptos could have built in an idiot operator auto-disable mode to save me embarassment. Alas, I have done my share of TX on the DX frequency, with noone but myself to blame. Radio has no way of knowing that I should be transmitting split. While the K3 scheme is fairly unlike my MP, I found that once the functions are learned and put together for different situations, that the K3 combinations are very powerful and quick. It's always me that's the problem, not the radio. 73, Guy. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
With all due respect, it's not the SAME EXACT indication. When RIT is on and you're not in split mode: 1). The RIT indicator on the LCD is on. The SPLT indicator is off. 2). The TX arrow on the LCD is pointing to A 3). One of the LEDs above the RIT knob is lit. 4). The delta-F LED on the left hand side is lit. When in split mode and with RIT off: 1). The SPLT indicator on the LCD is on. The RIT indicator is off. 2). The TX arrow on the LCD is pointing to B 3). All the LEDs above the RIT knob are dark 4). The delta-F LED on the left hand side is lit. 1 out of 4 indications is the same. The other 3 are different. Plus, what would you have the delta-F LED do if you have RIT on while in SPLIT mode? 73 -- Joe KB8AP On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:38 PM, The Smiths wrote: > As we already agreed, the RIT can put this rig into the SAME EXACT > indication that it's in Split mode. Actually fooling the user. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
I'm not sure that this is a case of the manufacture having to "protect" the opertor from him or herself.. but more of a matter of intuitivenes. You've also forgotten the fact that we have the CWT text reading mode, and that your VFO B display could easily be covered up by text from incoming code, or random noise. Which is usually the case in the way I operate my rig. The rig could easily give a notice of different modes. Again, 99.99% of the other rigs out there will change the display of the VFO when it is in transmit mode on a split freq. As we already agreed, the RIT can put this rig into the SAME EXACT indication that it's in Split mode. Actually fooling the user. You and I both know that the display changes when the K3 has the RIT ON, and moved off VFO A's Freq. Changing the display to do the same in split mode , one would then be able to look at the Green RIT led to see if they had the RIT on, OR the little arrow pointing to the B VFO if you had the SPLIT mode on. There could be no other confusion as to why the display keep changing. The display changing is more common sense to those using the rig. I'm actually more curious if this is simply a way that Wayne has decided to try and differentiate his radio from the others out there.. at the disadvantage of the users that forget what mode they are in... Again, simply blinking the Delta F light (yellow LED) instead of having it on solid, as obnoxious as it is, would be better than nothing when in split mode. > From: wb6r...@mac.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:06:08 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder > > > On Oct 19, 2009, at 12:34 PM, The Smiths wrote: > > This is true, but what happens when you operate your rig like I do, > and you keep your RIT on. > _ > > There is just so much any manufacturer can do to protect an operator > from him or herself. The K3 already has the delta f light, the SPLIT > indicator on the display (TU W2ZK - I'd forgotten that) and frequency > readout for both VFOs. As one who has made his share of errors with > the K3 and other radios, there is simply no substitute for just > learning how to use any radio. I've been puzzled more than a few times > by the K3 only to find the answer with RTFM. > > The real problem with split errors is the insidious nastiness of the > cops when a quick "RSE up" will do (and the DX isn't TX!), or perhaps > a Talk cluster message that no one else sees. Either would be far less > disruptive. > > 73! Steve WB6RSE > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
On Oct 19, 2009, at 12:34 PM, The Smiths wrote: This is true, but what happens when you operate your rig like I do, and you keep your RIT on. _ There is just so much any manufacturer can do to protect an operator from him or herself. The K3 already has the delta f light, the SPLIT indicator on the display (TU W2ZK - I'd forgotten that) and frequency readout for both VFOs. As one who has made his share of errors with the K3 and other radios, there is simply no substitute for just learning how to use any radio. I've been puzzled more than a few times by the K3 only to find the answer with RTFM. The real problem with split errors is the insidious nastiness of the cops when a quick "RSE up" will do (and the DX isn't TX!), or perhaps a Talk cluster message that no one else sees. Either would be far less disruptive. 73! Steve WB6RSE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
Steve, This is true, but what happens when you operate your rig like I do, and you keep your RIT on. The second that you move that knob the Delta F light comes on for the same exact reason.. So am I to understand that I'm in Delta F because I'm still in split, or because I have my RIT on and moved off freq. by even .001 hz?? Something should blink, or change to indicate split vs' RIT. > From: wb6r...@mac.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:54:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder > > > On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:49 AM, vidi wrote: > > How about, in addition to the TX arrow pointing to B, also > flash the [B] VFO sign at say 2/sec to show and remind that 'split' is > active. > ___ > > There is already an indicator. It's the yellow delta f light below the > power button. If it's on, your TX freq is split. You just have to get > use to looking for it. > > 73 - Steve WB6RSE > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
... and a yellow LED which will glow if you use split or rit/xit. Why more? 73 de Roland, DC1RS - K3/100 #1243, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-2.1K, KFL3A-400, KRX3, KFL3A-2.8K, KFL3A-400, KAT3, KXV3A -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Split-reminder-tp3851091p3851318.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
Vidi, Don't worry it's happened to a lot of us. I was just suggesting something similar to the group the other day. Either have the numbers change in the main VFO as you Xmit (like most rigs out there do) have the Delta F light blink obnoxiously (hmmm) or perhaps even your idea where the little B is blinking on and off. There's just got to be some other indication that we're not transmitting on the BIG number stairing us right in the face... > From: v...@telkomsa.net > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:49:16 +0200 > Subject: [Elecraft] Split reminder > > Hi DX chasers > In chasing DX have been caught napping a few times, when I forgot to select > 'split' and had to be reminded by someone on the DX freq about the blunder. > I was wondering if there is a way to more clearly show that 'split' is > activated. How about, in addition to the TX arrow pointing to B, also > flash the [B] VFO sign at say 2/sec to show and remind that 'split' is > active. > Red face Vidi - ZS1EL > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
Also, just above the B frequency display, there is a circled indicator that says "SPLT". 73, Ted, W2ZK wb6r...@mac.com wrote: > On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:49 AM, vidi wrote: > > How about, in addition to the TX arrow pointing to B, also > flash the [B] VFO sign at say 2/sec to show and remind that 'split' is > active. > ___ > > There is already an indicator. It's the yellow delta f light below the > power button. If it's on, your TX freq is split. You just have to get > use to looking for it. > > 73 - Steve WB6RSE > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Split reminder
On Oct 19, 2009, at 11:49 AM, vidi wrote: How about, in addition to the TX arrow pointing to B, also flash the [B] VFO sign at say 2/sec to show and remind that 'split' is active. ___ There is already an indicator. It's the yellow delta f light below the power button. If it's on, your TX freq is split. You just have to get use to looking for it. 73 - Steve WB6RSE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
