Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Phil Wheeler]

A significant plus is that the vendor (Tigertronics?) offers cables for 
a variety of popular rigs and rather good info on getting it set up, 
working with computer USB ports. That can be a plus for the 
technically-challenged who want to operate non-demanding digital modes 
like PSK31, Joe.


While I'm not all that challenged with degrees in EE, Signalink USB was 
my choice for that reason: It is convenient and works "well enough" :-)


73, Phil W7OX

On 1/18/16 21:54 , Jim Brown wrote:



The SignaLink is a pretty old design. In the digital world, 10 years 
is forever!  And it's VERY overpriced for what it is. It's popular 
ONLY because of lots of advertising hype from the vendors reselling it.


73, Jim K9YC




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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

Tim,

About the line-in / mic in a simple laptop:

Before going through the process of buying a super usb external 
soundcard, check the windows configuration - sound of your laptop and 
look at recording devices.
You'll probably find the mic. Then check the properties of that 
connection. In the advanced settings you MAY find that the mic can be 
configured as stereo with 96k or 192k sampling.


My 2010 Samsung cheap N210 netbook can run stereo 96k and give a nice 
panafall with NAP3! It ties up the processor :-) but I can still log my 
QSO's at the same time.
My doughter's 6 year old medium priced Toshiba laptop does 192k, without 
any problem.


So don't let the word 'mic' or the little mic-picture on the side trick 
you. Check it first in the software settings.

My two cents worth.


73
Arie PA3A


Op 19-1-2016 om 4:20 schreef a45wg:

Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use 
as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo 
Line-In.

I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using 
some software tools.

Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Neil Zampella]

I'm currently using a Creative Labs Sound Blaster SB1095 with my laptop 
and the KX3.  I bought the KX3-PCKT cable set when I bought the kit, 
made it much easier not having to worry if the cables would work or not, 
for $19.95 it was a no brainer.


The SB1095 works well with WSJT-X for JT modes, as well as for other 
digital modes.  Its only $55.48 at Amazon, 
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jbmva3l .


Neil Z
KN3ILZ

On 1/18/2016 10:20 PM, a45wg wrote:

Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use 
as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo 
Line-In.

I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using 
some software tools.

Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat


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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Phil Wheeler]

Huh re "The SignaLink is geared strictly for using the radio's audio 
in/out for doing digital modes."? Not in the current Signalink USB. And 
a good thing. The 11" MacBook Air I use for such things has mic and 
earphones on a 4-conductor jack so I prefer not messing with the 
internal audio vs. that in the Signalink USB for PSK31. As Don says, not 
good if you need to deal with KX3 I/Q outputs, but I use a PX3 for that :-)


73, Phil W7OX

On 1/19/16 09:16 , Barry LaZar wrote:

Don,
I agree. The SignaLink is geared strictly for using the radio's 
audio in/out for doing digital modes. But, I do suggest Win4K3. After 
having used both for a while, I concluded that Win4K3 is more a match 
for the KX3.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

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<elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Sent: 1/19/2016 7:43:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard


Tim,

Because you want to use the KX3 RX I/Q outputs to produce a spectrum 
display, you must have a soundcard with a stereo input.

That rules out the SignaLink which has only a mono input.
The Asus U5 or U7 will do the job for you quite nicely, and costs 
less than the SignaLink.

You can use the Asus for both digital modes and a spectral display.
Look at NaP3 or Win4K3 software applications.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/18/2016 10:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound 
card I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with 
Mic-In and not a Stereo Line-In.


I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built 
KX3 - using some software tools.


Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat


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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Jim Brown]

Hi Barry,

Yes, built-in sound cards "work," but my extensive testing showed that a 
good outboard USB sound card works FAR better than the sound built into 
my Thinkpad laptops. The difference is the ability to decode much weaker 
signals. That testing is documented in the link I posted yesterday.


73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,1/19/2016 9:09 AM, Barry LaZar wrote:
The Asus cards are about $60-$70 and my Steinberg was $120. It makes 
no sense to spend that amount of money for a card for an application 
that will work just fine with your computer's built in card. However, 
you will need some additional "stuff", like isolation and a PTT method 
if you don't use vox. That is why I recommend that something like a 
SignLink USB, or equal, be used. To go some other way, the bottom line 
costs will run you more than than either card to do it right. And, yes 
there are really cheap cards out there for $20, but they just won't 
perform for spectrum viewing.


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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Don Wilhelm]

Tim,

Because you want to use the KX3 RX I/Q outputs to produce a spectrum 
display, you must have a soundcard with a stereo input.

That rules out the SignaLink which has only a mono input.
The Asus U5 or U7 will do the job for you quite nicely, and costs less 
than the SignaLink.

You can use the Asus for both digital modes and a spectral display.
Look at NaP3 or Win4K3 software applications.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/18/2016 10:20 PM, a45wg wrote:

Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use 
as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo 
Line-In.

I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using 
some software tools.

Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Barry LaZar]

Jim,
The Asus cards are about $60-$70 and my Steinberg was $120. It makes 
no sense to spend that amount of money for a card for an application 
that will work just fine with your computer's built in card. However, 
you will need some additional "stuff", like isolation and a PTT method 
if you don't use vox. That is why I recommend that something like a 
SignLink USB, or equal, be used. To go some other way, the bottom line 
costs will run you more than than either card to do it right. And, yes 
there are really cheap cards out there for $20, but they just won't 
perform for spectrum viewing.


I suggest looking at this for picking a card to view the spectrum: 
http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html and a SignaLink USB for its 
simplicity to make work for running digital modes.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

-- Original Message --
From: "Jim Brown" <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: 1/19/2016 12:54:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard


On Mon,1/18/2016 8:35 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
A card useful for spectrum is massive overkill for running the digital 
modes.


Not if it's half the cost of the lower bandwidth units!


On Mon,1/18/2016 8:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
There are some pretty convincing measurements that show that the 
SignaLink USB is not as good as it should be.


Yes.

For this application, the SignaLink is useless, because for I/Q output 
from the KX3, he’ll need stereo in. The SignaLink is mono.


Yes.

The SignaLink is a pretty old design. In the digital world, 10 years is 
forever!  And it's VERY overpriced for what it is. It's popular ONLY 
because of lots of advertising hype from the vendors reselling it.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Barry LaZar]

Don,
I agree. The SignaLink is geared strictly for using the radio's 
audio in/out for doing digital modes. But, I do suggest Win4K3. After 
having used both for a while, I concluded that Win4K3 is more a match 
for the KX3.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

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<elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Sent: 1/19/2016 7:43:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard


Tim,

Because you want to use the KX3 RX I/Q outputs to produce a spectrum 
display, you must have a soundcard with a stereo input.

That rules out the SignaLink which has only a mono input.
The Asus U5 or U7 will do the job for you quite nicely, and costs less 
than the SignaLink.

You can use the Asus for both digital modes and a spectral display.
Look at NaP3 or Win4K3 software applications.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/18/2016 10:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card 
I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In 
and not a Stereo Line-In.


I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built 
KX3 - using some software tools.


Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Walter Underwood]

There are some pretty convincing measurements that show that the SignaLink USB 
is not as good as it should be.

For this application, the SignaLink is useless, because for I/Q output from the 
KX3, he’ll need stereo in. The SignaLink is mono.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 8:02 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> The SignaLink USB is one I find to be a good choice.  It uses the USB port on 
> the computer.There's others, more or less expensive.  Like candy, it 
> seems everyone has their preference in flavor.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 1/18/2016 9:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
>> Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can 
>> use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a 
>> Stereo Line-In.
>> 
>> I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.
>> 
>> I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - 
>> using some software tools.
>> 
>> Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

The SignaLink USB is one I find to be a good choice.  It uses the USB 
port on the computer.There's others, more or less expensive.  Like 
candy, it seems everyone has their preference in flavor.


73
Bob, K4TAX


On 1/18/2016 9:20 PM, a45wg wrote:

Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use 
as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo 
Line-In.

I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using 
some software tools.

Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,1/18/2016 8:35 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
A card useful for spectrum is massive overkill for running the digital 
modes. 


Not if it's half the cost of the lower bandwidth units!


On Mon,1/18/2016 8:06 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

There are some pretty convincing measurements that show that the SignaLink USB 
is not as good as it should be.


Yes.


For this application, the SignaLink is useless, because for I/Q output from the 
KX3, he’ll need stereo in. The SignaLink is mono.


Yes.

The SignaLink is a pretty old design. In the digital world, 10 years is 
forever!  And it's VERY overpriced for what it is. It's popular ONLY 
because of lots of advertising hype from the vendors reselling it.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Phil Wheeler]

Works well for me, too, Bob.

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/18/16 20:02 , Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
The SignaLink USB is one I find to be a good choice.  It uses the USB 
port on the computer.There's others, more or less expensive. Like 
candy, it seems everyone has their preference in flavor.


73
Bob, K4TAX


On 1/18/2016 9:20 PM, a45wg wrote:
Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card 
I can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In 
and not a Stereo Line-In.


I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built 
KX3 - using some software tools.


Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft]

Tim,
I have no complaints about the ASUS Xonar U5, which I use with Fldigi, MMTTY, 
etc. I don't have enough personal experience with alternatives to be able to 
compare its performance, but you'll find technical comparisons of the U5 with 
other sound cards from an amateur radio perspective in several places by 
searching the web, and the U5 tends to be highly recommended, as is the 
slightly more expensive U7. Reading http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html 
and http://audiosystemsgroup.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf led me to buy the U5. 
73, Ryan AI6DO

  From: a45wg 
 To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:20 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard
   
Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I can use 
as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and not a Stereo 
Line-In.

I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 - using 
some software tools.

Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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Re: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

[Barry LaZar]

Muscat,
I use the Steinberg UR22, but I have used other cards. A number of 
my local friends are using Asus cards. They work well. The site that has 
the NaP3 /LPBridge software has a list of recommendations. They seem 
right.  Just make sure you get a 24 bit card that samples at 96KHz or 
more; I use 192KHZ. This will allow you to do spectrum display quite 
well and other software like CW Skimmer off the very same I data 
stream.


A card useful for spectrum is massive overkill for running the 
digital modes. A simple 16 bit or better card running 44 KHz will work, 
like the card in your computer. I use the SignaLink USB. I can do this 
simultaneously while reading out the spectrum. That means you can have a 
fair degree of flexibility.


If you really want to go crazy, get a copy of Win4K3. Your KX3 than 
becomes the engine for a fully integrated operation. The down side is 
you will end up needing either 2-3 monitors or one very big one.


73,
Barry
K3NDM

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Sent: 1/18/2016 10:20:29 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] USB Soundcard

Please could anyone shed some light as to what type of USB Sound card I 
can use as my entire range of Laptops - are only fitted with Mic-In and 
not a Stereo Line-In.


I have managed to procure a stereo 2.5 to 3.5mm male-male audio lead.

I am hoping to be able to see the I/Q output from my recently built KX3 
- using some software tools.


Looking forward to hearing what works/does not work well.

Many thanks

Tim, A45wg. Muscat
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