Re: [EM] A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-15 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
Just to be explicit about the application of this to equal ranking.

At 10:28 AM 2/15/2007, Chris Benham wrote:

>Pasting from Mike's page:
>>
>>Some definitions useful in subsequent criteria definitions:
>>
>>A voter votes X over Y if he votes in a way such that if we count 
>>only his ballot, with all the candidates but X & Y deleted from it, 
>>X wins. [end of definition]

Equal ranking of X and Y is clearly not voting X over Y. If we modify 
the ballot as stated and this is the only voter, it's a tie.

>>Voting a preference for X over Y means voting X over Y. If a voter 
>>prefers X to Y, and votes X over Y, then he's voting a sincere 
>>preference. If he prefers X to Y and votes Y over X, he's 
>>falsifying a preference.

Equal voting is neither voting a preference nor falsifying a 
preference. It is not expressing a preference.

>>A voter votes sincerely if he doesn't falsify a preference, and 
>>doesn't fail to vote a sincere preference that the balloting rules 
>>in use would have allowed him to vote in addition to the 
>>preferences that he actually did vote.

I find the application unclear. What is undefined is what it means 
for an election method to "allow" the expression of a preference. 
Plurality allows the expression of a preference. Unfortunately, it 
only allows the express of a preference for one candidate over all 
others. Approval allows the expression of a preference for a set of 
candidates over all others.

If the ballot allows complete ranking and allows equal ranking, then 
any use of equal ranking where a preference actually exists, no 
matter how small, would be considered a failure to "vote sincerely." 
While one can define terms any way one likes, it would seem 
inadvisable to define them in a way which flies in the face of ordinary usage.

But what if a ballot does not allow complete ranking, or does not 
have enough rating levels to accomodate all candidates?

It appears that the interpretation being used is that these methods 
don't satisfy SFC, but this would be because they don't satisfy the 
criterion even without "falsification."


>>
>>SFC:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>If no one falsifies a preference, and there's a CW, and a majority 
>>of all the voters prefer the CW to candidate Y, and vote sincerely, 
>>then Y shouldn't win.
>>
>>[end of definition]

Now, this has been about the definition of the criterion. Even if 
equal ranking in the presence of a sincere preference is not 
falsification, Approval, for example, fails SFC. Yet, I've argued, it 
fails SFC because it does better. It is clearer with Range:

If no one falsifies a preference in Range of sufficiently high 
resolution, and all preferences are expressed, that is, equal rating 
is only used for absolute equality of rating, then Range still fails 
SFC, and it is easy to construct scenarios where it does so by 
choosing a winner who is clearly "better" for society and for the 
members of society individually, than the Condorcet winner.

This is because of preference strength. If the CW is preferred, by a 
majority to a candidate A by a majority with a very small preference, 
such that, for practical purposes, these voters will be equally happy 
with the election of the CW or A, and a minority of voters strongly 
prefer A, such that they will be happy with A and seriously unhappy 
with the CW, it is quite clear that A should win. A makes *everyone* 
happy, the CW in this situation only makes a bare majority happy.

Thus, we conclude, the Condorcet Criterion *must* be violated in some 
elections by an optimal method, and thus this theoretical optimum 
method must fail the criterion and others similar to it, such as the 
Majority Criterion and SFC.

Of course, we need a definition of "optimal." I've been suggesting 
that it should be explicit. Too often, when we consider methods by 
election criteria, we assume that a criterion is desirable, entirely 
apart from whether or not it chooses the optimum winner. It's 
*assumed*, very easily, that the majority choice is the optimum 
winner -- and therefore it is desirable to satisfy the Majority 
Criterion -- when this is certainly not clear enough to be reasonably 
an axiom. Any person or business which makes decisions failing to 
consider the strength of preferences will soon run into trouble

Perhaps I should be more explicit about this. In considering a 
decision among many choices, I may consider the effect of each choice 
on various aspects of my life. With each aspect, I may have a 
preference among the choices. If we model the importance of an aspect 
by a number of voters voting according to that, then systems which 
only rank but do not consider preference strength can seriously fail 
to make an optimum decision. The additional necessary element is to 
incorporate preference strength.

Decision-making strategies often use this, quite explicitly. One will 
give weight to various aspects of a decision, and for each aspect a 
numerical rating can be used. Then, for each

Re: [EM] A few concluding points about SFC, CC, method choice, etc.

2007-02-15 Thread Chris Benham


Pasting from Mike's page:


/Some definitions useful in subsequent criteria definitions:/

A voter votes X over Y if he votes in a way such that if we count only 
his ballot, with all the candidates but X & Y deleted from it, X wins.


[end of definition]

Voting a preference for X over Y means voting X over Y. If a voter 
prefers X to Y, and votes X over Y, then he's voting a sincere 
preference. If he prefers X to Y and votes Y over X, he's falsifying a 
preference.


A voter votes sincerely if he doesn't falsify a preference, and 
doesn't fail to vote a sincere preference that the balloting rules in 
use would have allowed him to vote in addition to the preferences that 
he actually did vote.


[end of definition]


Strategy-Free Criterion (SFC):

/Preliminary definition: /A "Condorcet winner" (CW) is a candidate 
who, when compared separately to each one of the other candidates, is 
preferred to that other candidate by more voters than vice-versa. Note 
that this is about sincere preference, which may sometimes be 
different than actual voting.



SFC:

If no one falsifies a preference, and there's a CW, and a majority of 
all the voters prefer the CW to candidate Y, and vote sincerely, then 
Y shouldn't win.


[end of definition]





Michael Ossipoff wrote:

Kevin and Chris posted their criteria that they incorrectly claimed 
equivalent to SFC.


These same alternative "SFCs" have been posted to EM before and 
thoroughly discussed before.
In fact, we've been all over this subject before. 



So why don't you point us to where in the EM archive we can find this 
earlier discussion?  Are they in your opinion equivalent for

ranked-ballot methods?

Though Chris's and Kevin's criteria clearly are not equivalent to SFC, 
maybe someone could write a votes-only cirterion that is. First of 
all, what's this obsession about "votes-only"?


Some people worry that criteria that give the appearance that we have to 
read voters' minds to see if they are met are not the easiest to check for.


Now, quite aside from that,  the efforts to write a votes-only 
equivalent criterion seem motivated by a desire to not say  things 
that happen to be what I want to say. I want SFC to be about the fact 
that that majority, because they all prefer the CW to Y, and because 
there's no falsification (on a scale sufficient to change the 
outcome), can defeat Y by doing nothing other than voting sincerely.


To say it in a way that doesn't say that wouldn't be SFC. If someone 
wrote such a criterion, then I'd recognize it as a _test_ for SFC 
compliance, but not as SFC. When I say that a method passes or fails 
SFC, and someone says "What's that?", then I want to tell them the SFC 
described in the paragraph before this one, the one that relates to 
the CW,  no need for other than sincere  voting by the majority and 
non-falsified voting by everyone else. If I worded it like Kevin or 
Chris, it wouldn't be self-evident why it's desirable to meet that 
criterion.


Someone could suggest that I use an alternative as the criterion, and 
save my SFC as a justification. No, I want the criterion's value to be 
self-evident.



Well its value as something distinct from the Condorcet  criterion isn't 
self-evident to me. If  this CW>Y majority can't elect the CW, why do 
they necessarily
care if  Y is elected or not?  

And the way you've dressed this up, I can't see how it really qualifies 
as a  "strategy criterion". How are the members of this CW>Y majority 
supposed to
know whether or not anyone "falsifies a preference"?  And if they do 
know what are they supposed to do about it?


From Steve Eppley's MAM page:


/truncation resistance/ 
: 
Define the "sincere top set" as the smallest subset
of alternatives such that, for each alternative in the subset, 
say x, and
each alternative outside the subset, say y, the number of 
voters who
sincerely prefer x over y exceeds the number who sincerely 
prefer y
over x.  If no voter votes the reverse of any sincere 
preference regarding
any pair of alternatives, and more than half of the voters 
rank some x in
the sincere top set over some y outside the sincere top set, 
then y must
not be elected. (This is a strengthening of a criterion having 
the same name

promoted by Mike Ossipoff, whose weaker version applies only when
the sincere top set contains only one alternative, a Condorcet 
winner.)



This makes some sense as a strategy criterion, being about deterring a 
faction from truncating against the members of the sincere

Smith set. The "weaker version" ascribed to you seems easier to test for.

How does that version differ from your present SFC?

Chris  Benham



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