[EM] Results, for Jameson; ER-DAC; ER-IRV

2011-03-19 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hi,

Jameson, I did most of what I looked into. I didn't complete the Asset
methods though. I did come up with a good universal way to estimate the
candidates' utilities for each other though: Have the candidates read the
minds of the voters (the base quantities of each bloc), and multiply each
opinion by their opinion of the candidate asking the question. (I'm
assuming utilities range from 0 to 1.) So, a candidate will like the same
candidates you like, if you like that candidate. This way, B will like
C not because of the spectrum, but because most of his "goodwill" comes
from the C voters.

A likely tweak would be to have every candidate assured of liking
themselves the best.

I threw together a method to test something similar: The voters cast rated
ballots. Voting power for each candidate is determined by top ratings
(fractional if tying). "Candidates" (simulated) determine their preferences
based on the voters' ratings. Then the candidates cast full sincere
rankings for a round of Minmax, to find the winner. It turned out to be
not that great in this particular scenario being considered:

"AICMM" 86  86
MCM 79  85  85
MMC 77  85  85
CMM 69  83  86
-B--MCM 32  85  85
B---CMM 26  86  86
-B--CMM 26  87  87 ...

You can see the SCWE and utility maximizer election rates are to the
right of the frequencies. This was a thousand trials, so pretty split
up.

Anyway, the Asset methods stumped me somewhat because I couldn't come
up with a deterministic way to solve the method that doesn't seem to
be contrived. For instance, it's possible that two of the three candidates
are able to transfer. Who has initiative? How do they even know if they
would like to have initiative? Maybe they'd rather do nothing. So, I
didn't attempt to write a method that might not be faithful to the idea.

Here are some methods to compare.

MCA 97  87
M-- 220 100 88
--- 194 100 86
--M 130 100 87
-M- 126 100 85
TTT-MMM 63  92  93
T-TTM-- 23  100 88 ...

This looks like mostly the same order as last time.

MAFP95  87
M-- 158 100 88
--- 92  100 86
--M 83  100 87
-M- 80  100 88
TTT-MMM 49  94  95
-TTTM-- 22  100 86 ...

Really this could be called "MATR" because it breaks all mid-slot ties
on top ratings.

"MCARA" 96  87
BBB-MMM 99  100 86
--- 75  100 90
M-- 46  100 86
MM- 44  100 85
BBT-MMM 41  100 86
TBB-MMM 35  100 88
--M 31  100 89
MMM 29  100 84
BTB-MMM 28  100 85
BBB-CCC 28  93  94
***MCCC 26  94  93
-MM 26  100 87 ...

You were right that this would do pretty well by SCWE, but your guess
for strategy was --- (which is actually a quite rare outcome under
any method).

"MCARP" 97  87
MM- 71  100 84
BBB-MMM 70  100 87
***MCCC 62  94  95 (*=M+P+B, i.e. "A=C>B")
M-M 48  100 89
MMM 32  100 88
TTB-MMM 32  100 88
BBT-MMM 30  100 87
-MM 29  100 85
BTB-MMM 28  100 87
TBB-MMM 24  100 87 ...

This was a little higher by SCWE but your MMM guess never occurred
once in any (recorded) result for any method!

By the way, it seemed to me that there was only one difference between
MCARA and MCARP. That is, MCARP's tie finalists are only picked by TRs,
while MCARA could be based on TRs or approval. Let me know if that sounds
wrong.

Next, Majority Judgment, with ER and non ER. This was tricky to think
through. However, it seems to me that this method gives the same result
as MCA unless there is a tie on the middle slot. In that case you must
find how many votes must be removed to make each eligible candidate a 
majority favorite or majority disapproved. I don't think it matters where
you take the votes from as long as it's on the correct side of the 
boundary. (It's possible to find that more votes must be removed than are
even there, but I doubt these values ever determine the result.)

I can certainly share the method code I used here. Strict then ER:

MJgmtSt 96  86
--- 571 100 89
TT-T--- 65  100 87
-TTT--- 52  100 88
T-TT--- 40  100 88
CCC 32  94  92
C-C 30  94  94 ...

Not too special here. Like Bucklin but not as concentrated at the top
(Bucklin had 702 ---).

MJgmtER 97  87
M-- 172 100 89
--- 120 100 88
--M 101 100 86
-M- 99  100 88
TTT-MMM 38  93  94
TT-TM-- 22  100 88
TT-T--M 17  100 87 ...

So, very similar to MCA but not as certain for some reason.

-

I tried, out of curiosity, FPP where the *second* candidate wins:

WrFPP   73  72
PPP 669 93  94
PPP 254 14  14
CCC 77   

Re: [EM] Pirate Party of Berlin adopts the Schulze method

2011-03-19 Thread Markus Schulze
Hallo,

Robert Bristow-Johnson wrote (1 March 2011):

> that said, i can't figure out from the website
> who wins according to the Schulze algorithm.

I wrote (1 March 2011):

> magalski beats baum 48:39.
> baum beats mayer 48:46.
> mayer beats magalski 48:47.
>
> The bylaws say that the strength of a pairwise defeat
> is measured by the absolute number of votes for the
> winner of this pairwise defeat. So each defeat has
> a strength of 48. Therefore, there is a tie between
> magalski, baum, and mayer.

There was a runoff (for the first to the third place
of the party list) on 19 March 2011. This runoff was
held using approval voting.

magalski: 42 votes
baum: 42 votes
mayer: 27 votes

As there was a tie between magalski and baum, the
winner (baum) was chosen by lot.

Markus Schulze



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