Re: [EM] Top 6, Top 2, Head to Head Primary

2012-12-08 Thread Kristofer Munsterhjelm

On 12/08/2012 05:42 AM, Don Hoffard wrote:

*Top 6, Top 2, Head to Head Primary*

*Nominations:*

1. In order for a candidate to get into the primary they must get
registered voters to sign nominating cards for them.

2. Each candidate must get at least one quarter of 1% of the registered
voters in their district/state to sign a nominating card for them.

3. Only the top 6 candidates with the most signed nominating cards will
be included on the primary ballot (see exception below).

4. A registered voter may sign a card for more than one candidate, but
only one for each candidate.

5. Only registered voters from the same district/state as the candidate
may sign a nominating card for that candidate.

6. No more than two candidates from each political party will be
included on the primary ballot.


That would blunt the clone (teaming) tendency of using Approval for 
nominations, but it could still be gamed. Perhaps it's unrealistic, but 
I'll still mention it:


- Party X is at the center and knows its candidate will be elected. 
However, to appeal to as many voters as possible, they've been 
deliberately vague and know their candidates may be hurt in the primary.


- Thus party X makes decoy parties and tells supporters of X to vote for 
all candidates in all the decoy parties.


- By doing so, party X gets their near-top count for their candidate 
replicated across numerous parties.


- These clone candidates then take up most of the spots on the primary 
ballot, crowding out many of the serious competitors and making party 
X's task easier.



7. Only registered voters, from the same political party as the
candidate, may sign a nominating card for that candidate. However, a
political party may allow other registered voters to sign their
candidates nominating card.


Does this mean only registered Democrats can support a Democrat, or that 
non-Democrats can also support the Democrat? The first seems to say that 
only registered Democrats can do so, while the second seems to say that 
if the party wants (say) Republicans to also be allowed, they can do so.



8. Any registered voter may sign a nominating card for any
non-affiliated candidate, but only one for each candidate.

9. In non-partisan position elections 6-7 above does not apply.


How about each party using an internal method to determine the two who 
will go on to the primary? If a party wants to use, say Schulze, then 
they'll be free to do so. This shouldn't cause much disenfranchisement 
because in the context of the better primary and general election 
system, if the leadership twists the nomination method to their own 
ends, those who disagree can form their own party.


(This actually happened in New York under STV, where some democrats 
split to an insurgent Democrat group.)


I suppose that would make the clone attack much easier, though.


*Primary election:*

1. The primary will allow voters to rank each of the candidates from 1
to 5. Number 1 being their top pick and 5 their 2^nd lowest (their
lowest being their one non-ranked candidate).

2. A registered voter is allowed to rank all candidates regardless of
political party.

3. The two candidates that receive higher ranking than any of the other
candidate will move on to the general election. Each candidate is
compared head to head with each of the other candidates. [If AB, AC,
AD, AE, and AF, ( meaning more preference votes) then candidate A
moves on to the general election and if BC, BD, BE, and BF then
candidate B moves on to the general election.]

4. If no candidate meet the head to head criteria in 3 above then the
candidate with the lowest preference vote is eliminated first, then the
next lowest eliminated next, until only 2 candidate remain and they will
move on to the general election. [i.e. the Instant Runoff System]


I'd suggest that 3 and 4 be interleaved, i.g. first you try to find the 
pairwise winner, but if there isn't one, you eliminate the one that's 
last, then you look for the pairwise winner among the ones left, and so on.


Doing so ensures the system doesn't radically change its character from 
a Condorcet method into a non-Condorcet method just because someone 
manages to engineer a cycle (or just because a cycle appears benignly). 
It's thus more robust, retaining the logic of both methods despite 
perturbations.


Furthermore, the changed method would pass Smith. If there are three 
serious candidates and three (extremist) not-serious candidates, and 
pairwise, all the serious candidates are preferred to the not-serious 
candidates but there's disagreement (a cycle) about which serious 
candidate is the best, then as soon as all but two serious candidate 
have been eliminated, those win.


One might make it even more rigorous by treating it like a single-winner 
method and then electing first and second place from the resulting ordering.


Unfortunately, neither of the fixes above would remove the tendency for 
this method to elect similar candidates. All 

[EM] Top 6, Top 2, Head to Head Primary

2012-12-07 Thread Don Hoffard
Top 6, Top 2, Head to Head Primary

Nominations:

1.   In order for a candidate to get into the primary they must get
registered voters to sign nominating cards for them. 

2.   Each candidate must get at least one quarter of 1% of the
registered voters in their district/state to sign a nominating card for
them.

3.   Only the top 6 candidates with the most signed nominating cards
will be included on the primary ballot (see exception below).

4.   A registered voter may sign a card for more than one candidate, but
only one for each candidate.

5.   Only registered voters from the same district/state as the
candidate may sign a nominating card for that candidate.

6.   No more than two candidates from each political party will be
included on the primary ballot.

7.   Only registered voters, from the same political party as the
candidate, may sign a nominating card for that candidate. However, a
political party may allow other registered voters to sign their candidates
nominating card.

8.   Any registered voter may sign a nominating card for any
non-affiliated candidate, but only one for each candidate.

9.   In non-partisan position elections 6-7 above does not apply.

Primary election:

1.   The primary will allow voters to rank each of the candidates from 1
to 5.  Number 1 being their top pick and 5 their 2nd lowest (their lowest
being their one non-ranked candidate).

2.   A registered voter is allowed to rank all candidates regardless of
political party.

3.   The two candidates that receive higher ranking than any of the
other candidate will move on to the general election. Each candidate is
compared head to head with each of the other candidates. [If AB, AC, AD,
AE, and AF, ( meaning more preference votes) then candidate A moves on to
the general election and if BC, BD, BE, and BF then candidate B moves on
to the general election.]

4.   If no candidate meet the head to head criteria in 3 above then the
candidate with the lowest preference vote is eliminated first, then the next
lowest eliminated next, until only 2 candidate remain and they will move on
to the general election. [i.e. the Instant Runoff System]

5.   If one candidate meets the head to head criteria then that
candidate moves on to the general election and if a second does not meet the
head to head criteria then only the remaining 5 candidates would be subject
to the elimination method described in 4 above.

General Election:

1.   No write-in votes will be allowed in the general election.
(exceptions: one candidate dies or with-draws)

2.   It is possible that the two candidates would be from the same
political party.

3.   The winner is elected to the office.

Why the nomination process? This allows registered voters to decide who gets
on the primary ballot and not the candidates or the party officials.

Why top 6? There is no why a voter can know and be able to rank 10-20
candidates.

Why the only 2 per party rule? This will allow minor party and
non-affiliated candidates to get on the primary ballot. 

Why only those registered in a party to nominate party candidates?  We are
not trying to eliminate parties and it also eliminates non party members
from nominating poor party candidates they can defeat in the general
election.  Only party members decide who they want to represent their party.

Why the head to head ranking? This corrects a major flaw in the existing
Top 2 primary in that you may get two extreme candidates running in the
general election. The head to head method allows more moderates, minor
party, and non-affiliated candidates to move on to the general election (see
example below).  In all of the statewide and congressional offices in the
state of Washington's 2012 top 2 primary had one Democrat and one Republican
move on to the general election.  Why have a primary system that perpetuates
the two party system?

Example Primary: Assume the district has 45 Democratic, 20 Non-affiliated,
and 35 Republican voters and we have one candidate representing each group.
Assume also that the Non-affiliated candidate is a moderate, (middle of the
road).

The primary votes are as follows:

The 45 Democrats vote DNAR.

10 of the Non-affiliated voters vote NADR

10 of the Non-affiliated voters vote NARD

The 35 Republicans vote RNAD

The Results are NAD 55 to 45 and NAR 55 to 45 (The non-affiliated
candidate move to the general election.) And since DR 55 to 45 (Then the
Democratic candidate also move to the general)

The Non-affiliated and the Democratic candidates are in the general
election, but in a simple Top 2 primary (with first place votes only) the
Democratic and the Republican candidates would be in the general election.

 


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