Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Top diagonal window resize
I'm OK with the Luna behaviour personally. It makes harder to accidentally trigger the maximize or close button. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Top diagonal window resize
I use bottom corners for diagonal resizing. 2012/9/18 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org: I'm OK with the Luna behaviour personally. It makes harder to accidentally trigger the maximize or close button. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Comments on Geary
Yea it definitely is! Those guys are doing awesome work :D Yorba wants to make sure that Geary runs on Ubuntu and Fedora as well as elementary. So with Geary, we may have to do a lot of ifdef type stuff like we're currently doing with Midori in order to get granite support. But I would love to use things like Victor's new thin pane, the about dialog, etc. But now that we have Granite in Debian it may not be as big of an issue. Does anyone know if Granite has been uploaded into Fedora's repos? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM, school.m...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed Geary is getting WAY nicer than it used to be in 0.1. The only thing it feels to be missing is Granite widgets, like in about dialog. All I know is it will be awesome no matter what is done to it for Luna! ~ mamemame187 -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Comments on Geary
But now that we have Granite in Debian it may not be as big of an issue. Does anyone know if Granite has been uploaded into Fedora's repos? AFAIR the filterbar is not included in the stable release, or at least it's not documented at http://valadoc.elementaryos.org/Granite/Granite.Widgets.html -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Comments on Geary
Right, I know A LOT of work we've done recently wasn't included in the latest stable release. But I think we're due for another Granite release pretty soon, right? On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: But now that we have Granite in Debian it may not be as big of an issue. Does anyone know if Granite has been uploaded into Fedora's repos? AFAIR the filterbar is not included in the stable release, or at least it's not documented at http://valadoc.elementaryos.org/Granite/Granite.Widgets.html -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Best Regards, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators
I've been using Luna for quite a bit and i would love to have the option to see the indicators..sometimes it's easier and quicker to just reveal the dock than using the window switcher (i personally don't like hotcorners,i really hate it when i accidentally activate them..)..plus,choice is always good,IMHO.. Keep up the awesome work guys! :) Sergio -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators
I'd prefer to keep the indicators for now. I'd be glad to personally send them to /dev/null as soon as we have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/elementaryos/+spec/memory-lending, but until that's done I have to keep my eyes open for memory and I/O hogs, even with zramswap. Since expo shows only windows from the current workspace, I still need the indicators for a system-wide overview. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators
2012/9/18 Cody Garver codygar...@gmail.com I end up with 3 or 4 browser windows with the same tabs open because I lose them. Maybe this could be avoided if Plank un-minimized windows on icon click instead of keeping them minimized. +1, I'd like Plank to switch windows instead of minimizing them on clicking the app icon. It does that on scrolling up/down, but after getting used to that I often scroll on apps which are not running, which doesn't bring them up (and I can't even tell if I should scroll or click because there are no indicators). -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators
2012/9/18 satch...@gmail.com satch...@gmail.com +1. In fact, I'd go one step further and propose that elementary take the lead in adopting the (IMO, much needed) one-application-one-window paradigm. Things get incredibly confusing and cluttered with a whole mess of windows. If not, the minimise/unminimise thing makes most sense (though, again, with multiple windows, some form of per-application-Scale is necessary; ever tried working on large research projects with fifty evince windows open?). To effectively convey the number of running applications, there would have to be indicators. Well, tab bars are not sufficient for fifteen or fifty windows either. I've already proposed one-app-one-window with shell-side tabs... IMO it would work better than client-side tabbars, if overflow handling is done right. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ec5JsMpfVj8/T3Jkc41lMHI/Azw/bNVMvOBWLLQ/s1600/playlist.png http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ry5CEaBbKnA/T3JiUVRSrOI/Azg/5dgG0sjjrac/s1600/panel.png http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-06NsscSyKQw/T3JkvouSbJI/Az4/nCX3hXx7GGA/s1600/notifications.png Hopefully someday I'll make fancy mockups of that... -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators
Luna is so good on resources that it hardly matters if an app is open or not and you can easily see if something is open from Gala's Workspace Overview since minimize isn't part of our regular workflow. Its not a matter of resources but of usability. When ever i have more windows/applications open its becomes a little messy to manage. Although Window overview(?/expo) is very helpful but still some sort of indicators are needed. Btw workspace overview is used less than expo or alt+tab and using overview to find apps feels a like an overkill. On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey Guys, I've seen a few mails/reports about the current lack of running app indicators in Luna. I wanted to get a feel for how people who have been using Luna for a while feel about it. Namely, is this something people are complaining about because they expect it and aren't used to it yet, or is this a real problem? Personally, I don't miss them at all. I haven't used them for almost a year now (When Gala was just a dream haha). Luna is so good on resources that it hardly matters if an app is open or not and you can easily see if something is open from Gala's Workspace Overview since minimize isn't part of our regular workflow. But it also has the added benefit of saving a few pixels on the bottom of the dock (since our OOTB default is hide-on-maximize and not intelli or autohide I think keep the dock small is still important). If we do decide that running app indicators are important, would it be terribly difficult to make this a switch in the desktop plug? We may need to ask Rico to add a key for this since I think we wouldn't want to have this update for every user on the system (since the theming is currently stored globally). Because I do think that there are probably a significant amount of people for which the running indicators just aren't terribly useful in Luna and it could still remain as the default. But hey, that's why I am asking! Best Regards, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Running App Indicators
Ill have to think on that more, but on first thought I think it's a good idea to indicate them on the launcher as the presence of a running app changes the behavior of that particular launcher. (Launching a new window versus focusing on an existing one). Spatial concerns can be addressed by using a different indication method (background glow, for instance). Thoughts? On Sep 18, 2012 11:03 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey Guys, I've seen a few mails/reports about the current lack of running app indicators in Luna. I wanted to get a feel for how people who have been using Luna for a while feel about it. Namely, is this something people are complaining about because they expect it and aren't used to it yet, or is this a real problem? Personally, I don't miss them at all. I haven't used them for almost a year now (When Gala was just a dream haha). Luna is so good on resources that it hardly matters if an app is open or not and you can easily see if something is open from Gala's Workspace Overview since minimize isn't part of our regular workflow. But it also has the added benefit of saving a few pixels on the bottom of the dock (since our OOTB default is hide-on-maximize and not intelli or autohide I think keep the dock small is still important). If we do decide that running app indicators are important, would it be terribly difficult to make this a switch in the desktop plug? We may need to ask Rico to add a key for this since I think we wouldn't want to have this update for every user on the system (since the theming is currently stored globally). Because I do think that there are probably a significant amount of people for which the running indicators just aren't terribly useful in Luna and it could still remain as the default. But hey, that's why I am asking! Best Regards, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] OEM Installation mode
How do we test clean installs? I've noticed virtualbox can't seem to read eOS isos. On Sep 17, 2012 4:43 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey Alex, All patches are properly propagated now. Please test OEM installation and report results. 2012/8/27 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org The updates have finally* landed to PPAs, so I've put together an updated ISO image. It does not include our patcheshttps://code.launchpad.net/%7Eelementary-os/elementaryos/os-patch-ubiquityof Ubiquity because imports of Ubuntu packages to Launchpadhttps://code.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/ubiquity/precise-updatesare lagging (as usually) and Ubiquity patch is not yet rebased onto our custom import infrastructurehttps://code.launchpad.net/%7Eelementary-os/ubuntu-package-imports/ubiquity-precise. But we didn't change anything critical, so I guess OEM installation should still work. As far as the prepare for shipping launcher goes, it should be present in the dock now. *usually it doesn't take that long. Canonical happened to be moving datacenters and that caused some quirks and delays. 2012/8/18 Alejandro Morales Lepe aml24...@gmail.com: Hi Sergey! I will test as soon as you notify me of the .iso! - Alex -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] OEM Installation mode
How do we test clean installs? I've noticed virtualbox can't seem to read eOS isos. Why am I not surprised? Use VMware Player or make LiveUSBs using Ubuntu's built-in usb-creator (in case you don't use ubuntu, run isohybrid on the ISO and dd it to a USB thumb). -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] OEM Installation mode
I'll admit the only one I tried was 9/14. Shame on me for assuming it was a persistent virtual box problem. :) On Sep 18, 2012 6:42 PM, ttosttos Sa ttost...@gmail.com wrote: I rarely run into issues loading elementary ISOs on VBox. Last one, I tried was 9/5 w/o any issues. ttosttos -- On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Craig webe...@gmail.com wrote: How do we test clean installs? I've noticed virtualbox can't seem to read eOS isos. On Sep 17, 2012 4:43 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey Alex, All patches are properly propagated now. Please test OEM installation and report results. 2012/8/27 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org The updates have finally* landed to PPAs, so I've put together an updated ISO image. It does not include our patcheshttps://code.launchpad.net/%7Eelementary-os/elementaryos/os-patch-ubiquityof Ubiquity because imports of Ubuntu packages to Launchpadhttps://code.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/ubiquity/precise-updatesare lagging (as usually) and Ubiquity patch is not yet rebased onto our custom import infrastructurehttps://code.launchpad.net/%7Eelementary-os/ubuntu-package-imports/ubiquity-precise. But we didn't change anything critical, so I guess OEM installation should still work. As far as the prepare for shipping launcher goes, it should be present in the dock now. *usually it doesn't take that long. Canonical happened to be moving datacenters and that caused some quirks and delays. 2012/8/18 Alejandro Morales Lepe aml24...@gmail.com: Hi Sergey! I will test as soon as you notify me of the .iso! - Alex -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] OEM Installation mode
I use qemu, and for graphical frontend aqemu ... as long you have support for KVM module you are good to go. Works 10/10 times for me On Wed, 2012-09-19 at 04:59 +0400, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff wrote: I'm glad it works in VirtualBox sometimes, but you'd better avoid using it for Linux guests, especially for testing purposes. Its guest additions are known to cause weird issues and crashes all over the system (see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=OTk5Mw) and without guest additions you won't get 3D acceleration that's currently required by Gala. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff OS architect @ elementary -- Darcy Brás da Silva dardeve...@cidadecool.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
