Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Sample contractor client
We should encapsulate that gaze of yours into code. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: Dunno, looks fine from here. Or maybe my OS instance just fixes itself when exposed to my questioning gaze. 2014-01-30 Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org: Sergey, I think it's pretty common knowledge that the daily PPA breaks Luna Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: 2014-01-30 Heath Paddock he...@heath-bar.com: Does this require libgranite2? Yes, it does. This is one of the two new symbols I added a while ago; I'm not sure why they're exclusive to libgranite2 - they're just additions, not breaks - but looks like they are. Oh well. libgranite2 should be available on Luna from Daily PPA (or maybe not anymore - Cody was looking to delete them). If you can't get your hands on libgranite2... The required function is trivial, so you can copy-paste it from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementary-pantheon/granite/granite/view/head:/lib/Services/ContractorProxy.vala#L227and toy with the example on libgranite1. Also, the compile line in the comments section at the top of the file uses the wrong file name. I'll fix that and add a note about libgranite2 momentarily. On very recent distros it may require gee-0.8 also instead of gee-1.0. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Alex Lourie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Elementary-dev-community] elementary automatic testing, oh my!
Hello elementary friends, As many of you know, devs are now in the process of developing the next release of elementary, Isis. During various conversations there’s this one subject that has risen quite often - how can testing be incorporated in the process. For the impatient ones, jump right away to the instructions at [1]. Now, before some anxious folks jump ahead, let me stop you all and say it's NOT about TDD. We've been there, done the discussions, and for now it was decided that no one is doing that [2]. What I am going to talk about now is system/integration level testing, that is the curse called QE [3]. QE is somewhat unloved, seems dark and boring among and by many developers, especially in open source. Mainly due to the fact, that in open source we consider our users to be our testers. While it could be working well enough for various libraries, and different software packages, I claim it cannot work for users of the entire OS/DE, especially the one that aspires to provide the best and most polished experience for its users. We cannot expect high level of technical capabilities from our users to understand what exactly is the problem they experience, let alone to report bugs they find. As such I had few private discussions with members of the elementary dev teams, and came with to the following assumptions: 1. Nobody will be forced to do TDD. IF (and that's a big IF) someone wants to do it, they can do it on their own expense. 2. Most elementary applications are not completely new inventions. They are just new applications that are based on the mostly stable sets of libraries, which have their own projects, boards and testing methods. 3. External dependencies are just expected to work, and we/users will post bugs if they don't. 4. In system/integration 'testing' it is interesting to see that our applications work; that is the other technologies are integrated correctly and a good working interface is created. 5. Any type of automatic testing for the apps is fine, as long as it works. 6. System Testing can be done in any language. Finally, as I am mostly familiar with Python, I thought I'd check the autopilot framework, used by Ubuntu to test their entire system. Hereby I wanted to tell that first preliminary testing is done. I've successfully installed autopilot on my Isis dev build box, adopted one set of tests [4] and they now pass. That means, that technically it is possible to use autopilot for testing our applications. So... to read how to run the tests on your own, read the How-To [1] What next? So here we are now, with one part of elementary that can be tested automatically. I don't like to fool anyone nor myself with claims that now we have implemented testing. So here few possible tasks that I think should be done next to move with this stuff: 1. One possible task is to create more tests for pantheon-terminal. I'm sure its developers will be swayed with joy. 2. Another possible task is to create some small set of tests for another app. I'm sure that the elementary dev/users community can come up with awesome ideas as to what can be done with this. I'm all ears now and open to suggestions. So long, and remember, I talk too much, and I'm a crappy developer. Any complaints are welcome in sane limits. Cheers. [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AHDT0hR8mjVcyhERsR7qC5Zs1GB1SNfUFHR6gFuJVTM/edit?usp=sharing [2] Unless someone does it, maintains it and keeps doing it until someone else does it too. [3] Quality Engineering (once called Quality Assurance, but that's not fare, as it somewhat equates quality engineers to robots. They are not. Actually, they are very talented engineers, and if one considers that their work is to do whatever there is in their power to break stuff, one could probably like it too). [4] Tests for pantheon-terminal were adopted from gnome-terminal and pass completely (9 tests). The code for the tests is at https://github.com/alourie/pantheon_terminalhttp://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/faq/faq.html http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/faq/faq.html http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/faq/faq.html -- Alex Lourie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] about TDD (Test Driven Development)
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Congratulations Luna developers!
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Congratulations Luna developers!
Correct. On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.orgwrote: So say this code for example: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementary-apps/pantheon-terminal/trunk/view/head:/src/TerminalWidget.vala#L37 Sometimes we have some issues with ReGex (see https://code.launchpad.net/~voldyman/pantheon-terminal/colon-fixed/+merge/180735 ). Is that the kind of thing we can use TDD for? Like have a bunch of URLs and see if Terminal detects them or not without any GUI, just terminal Found/Not Found messages? ~David Munchor Gomes On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Craig webe...@gmail.com wrote: David, I understand and appreciate the difficulty; however, I've had exactly zero questions about TDD. Like I said in the original post, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. Please take me up on that offer any time. Thanks, Craig On Aug 18, 2013 6:57 PM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org wrote: This, this and this. And also many of the developers like me aren't really experienced with TDD and will have to take some time to study, learn and adapt to it. You can't just come here and tell developers, many of whom inexperienced young amateur programmers, to start using TDDs. Take me, for example, I never had proper programming education, I'm 17 years old. I know what TDD is but I've never used it before. You have to understand TDD is something very enterprise-ish and professional that big serious companies do. Look, I'm not saying we can't do it or we shouldn't do it or we won't do it - I'm just saying you need a better approach to what you're doing. I realize how useful and important TDD can be, but many of us might just be too busy having fun. Regards, David PS. I really hope I wasn't rude, I mean all I said in the nicest of ways. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.orgwrote: This all sounds great and I think everybody is pro-testing, however I've yet to see a reproduce-able example or a guide regarding any kind of tests being implemented (especially by those extremely vocal about their importance). Not books or articles about why testing is good, but something that actually shows a person how to write tests for their apps. So, as Linus would say, Talk is cheap. Show me the code. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Craig webe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, tl;dr: Unit tests are pretty much necessary to have an architecture on which you can run automatic system-level tests, and if you aren't automating then testing becomes too impractical. When you describe system tests you are actually describing what are called acceptance tests or behavioral tests ( http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/functionaltests.html). Unit tests test small units of code such as classes or functions. Traditional TDD relies primarily upon unit tests, and those are primarily what I'm referring to. One of the primary purposes of unit testing is to ensure good code architecture. If you don't unit test, you probably won't have good access points for your acceptance tests (how do you verify that that Gtk.Label has the correct text when you can only access the top level window?), so automation will be out of the question. And if you aren't automating then you can't continuously integrate (running all tests every time a change is made to the repository in order to find bugs as soon as they are made). Honestly, if you aren't automating then testing becomes too impractical. On Aug 18, 2013 5:10 PM, Alex Lourie djay...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Craig For the clarification purposes, I'd like to separate 'automatic tests (system testst)' and 'unittests'. I consider them different things. Unittests are pieces of code that test some other pieces of the code. System tests are scripts/code/steps that test that your program (or part of it) works. Unittests are usually run automatically (by, say, unittesting framework). System tests could be run automatically or manually. There are, sometimes, frameworks for that, but in most cases it's either manual or custom developed. Unittests are (usually) developed by the same developer who developed the original code, just as in your TDD example. System tests are best developed by external party (such as users). From here on, I can agree with you on point 1, and the naming. Basically, we all agree that having *testing *is a good practice and a feasible way to manage the complexity of software. But unittesting cannot test the logical connections between the blocks of code in the program. That's the job for system testing. I don't care how we call it. The more *systematic *testing we do for Elementary the better it's going to be, and the more chances we have to sustain growth. So I would just like to see testing implemented. Any kind of it. On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Craig webe
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Congratulations Luna developers!
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Luna +1's Name and Some Other Stuff
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Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Luna +1's Name and Some Other Stuff
Mars is bad as we used it already. We should not repeat ourselves. On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Albert Palacios Jimenez optimi...@gmail.com wrote: After stepping on Luna, I thought we were going to explore Mars, but maybe the God of war is not appropriate for elementary OS. Isis is fine, the half moon was a symbol for Isis as the queen of sky, this is a kind of nexus. Both names sound very melancholics. I hope this name will encourage a lot of volunteers and elementary will grow as the OS deserves. On Aug 16, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey dudes (and hopefully a few dudettes these days), First of all, congratulations to all of you on 100k+ downloads in the first week. That is freaking killer. We're getting rave reviews and (despite bug #1 being closed) we keep hearing from tons of people that are first-time Linux users coming from Windows and Mac OS. If you haven't been in contact with this positive energy yet, I encourage you to hit up youtube for an ego boost. Now down to business! I'm writing to announce the codename of the next elementary release: Wanking Wallaby Jk. What is this, Ubuntu? I'm leaning strongly towards Isis for this one. It's short (2 syllables), should be generally pretty easy to pronounce, etc. Isis is the egyptian mother god of the throne, friend of slaves, sinners, artisans, and the downtrodden. You can read up more about her here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis Munchor says I should go full Hitler and not allow any arguments, but if you think the name totally sucks you can definitely say that. If not, let's go with it! (And even if so, we'll probably still go with it!) Also, I think in general most of us think it would be the best idea to release Isis (see, I'm already going with it) as closely as possible to Ubuntu 14.04. We have a lot to prove about our ability to provide updates in a timely manner and we're getting some negative feedback from developers/nerds about our 12.04 base. So let's address that and make sure that elementary is the best open platform for both users and developers (and I guess nerds too). Cody is currently working on updating Congrego to spit out some super bleeding edge Saucy-based builds. If any of you are already on Saucy, you know how broken Pantheon currently is. Indicators and Plugs are huge problems that we need to address. We're considering moving both of these into lib peas plugins for Wingpanel and Switchboard (respectively). Any feedback on that plan is very welcome. In general, the first priority for Isis is going to be updating all of our apps to compile/run with the latest libraries. You should know that Midori with the latest webkitGTK is amazing. I'm working on porting eGtk and it's going pretty swell. You should also know that all the fancy libaccounts stuff is now available for someone to start playing with so we can get sweet online integration. I believe that Clutter with the touch-related bits is also available so that is also very exciting for those of use that have a multi-touch trackpad available. Anyways, let's get rolling on this cycle. We have 8 months to become even more awesome. For the greater glorification of our Holy Mother Isis, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Alex Lourie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Luna +1's Name and Some Other Stuff
builds. If any of you are already on Saucy, you know how broken Pantheon currently is. Indicators and Plugs are huge problems that we need to address. We're considering moving both of these into lib peas plugins for Wingpanel and Switchboard (respectively). Any feedback on that plan is very welcome. In general, the first priority for Isis is going to be updating all of our apps to compile/run with the latest libraries. You should know that Midori with the latest webkitGTK is amazing. I'm working on porting eGtk and it's going pretty swell. You should also know that all the fancy libaccounts stuff is now available for someone to start playing with so we can get sweet online integration. I believe that Clutter with the touch-related bits is also available so that is also very exciting for those of use that have a multi-touch trackpad available. Anyways, let's get rolling on this cycle. We have 8 months to become even more awesome. For the greater glorification of our Holy Mother Isis, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org http://elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net mailto:elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Alex Lourie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Future of Wingpanel
We were just talking about this exactly with voldyman. +1 from me on this. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Chris Timberlake gam...@gmail.com wrote: I think one of the ways we can support legacy Ayatana indicators is by making a plug for it. So we'd setup wingpanel to support plug files through LibPeas. Then we would create a plug file that is used to display all Ayatana indicators from applications and the like. Native eOS Applications could utilize the new format with their own plug while still allowing graceful fallback support. Just my 2 cents. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:29 AM, Akshay Shekher voldyman...@gmail.comwrote: I wanted to talk about the features to be added in wingpanel for L+1. the blueprints that i have in mind are. 1. Hide on Maximizehttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/wingpanel/+spec/hide-on-maximize 2. Branch Ayatanahttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/wingpanel/+spec/branch-ayatana *Hide on maximize* is easy. we just have to add a d-bus signal to gala which will be triggered when a window is maximized, wingpanel will connect to this signal when launched and whenever an event is triggered wingpanel will hide. for hiding i was thinking of using clutter animations or something similar. *Branch Ayatana*: this was discussed earlier but no decision was made, we could use libpeas to make indicators as plugins. This is easy and good reliable indicator/plugins can be made but this creates problems for applications that want to show indicators, as for wingpanel to show an indicator a plug would have to be made and it would need to enabled from dconf. There are many ways to solve this problem. 1. use two libraries. one for system indicators and one for app indicators 2. use something similar to switchboard's plugins system. 3. don't allow application indicators. (which i think gnome follows) please tell me your opinion and suggestions guys. voldyman -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- *--**--** Chris Timberlake* Technical Architect Phone: 515-707-5109 gam...@gmail.com -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Alex Lourie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Luna Post-Release
I also remember there was some talk about refreshing indicators completely, maybe even moving to something else than libindicator. I don't think it appears in the blueprints list On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.orgwrote: Good question! We'll have to figure that our as well. If I remember correctly, there's some kind of online tool where everyone can enter their availability and we can find out when we're all free at the same time. Anyone have a link to that? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:40 AM, A. Xylon V. avlabs...@gmail.comwrote: I've gotten so used to the feature freeze adding new stuff seems si weird... When will this big contributor meeting be held approximately? A week? On Aug 11, 2013 7:25 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: Hey everyone! First of all, congratulations! You guys have been working super hard for the last two years to bring something truly awesome to desktop Linux and I think from all the amazing feedback we've received, you've definitely succeeded. You guys rock. But obviously the big question is, What now? Well I have some amazing news: feature freeze is finally over! It's time to have a little fun again. No more nose-to-the-grind with all the bug fixing. I myself am writing this from my extremely unstable Saucy install that will probably crash in a few minutes for no apparent reason. And it's freaking exciting! So my first recommendation for you guys is to upgrade yourselves. We all know that 12.04 (and thus Luna) is aging when we're talking about development. I don't think we've come to any official decision, but most of us have been casually throwing around the idea that Luna +1 should release alongside Ubuntu 14.04. We're all super excited about the latest Gtk, Clutter, etc. In case you didn't already know, there's a handful of suggestions for what to work on in Luna +1 here: https://launchpad.net/elementary/+milestone/0.3-beta1 But honestly, take this time to be free. You deserve it. Have fun. Give yourself a pat on the back for how awesome you all are. Once the dust settles on this release, we might want to talk about having another contributor meeting in IRC to get our heads on straight and decide on some general guidelines for Luna +1 (like a real codename, if we really want to release with 14.04, etc) Thanks again everyone and congratulations! Best Regards, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Alex Lourie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
