[Orgmode] How to Strip TODO headword and refile as a note
I had a TODO item to go to the bank. At the bank I had some issues to discuss with a representative. Now I'm home, I am going over my agenda "todo" listing, and see this item, with a priority of "A". I stumbled momentarily, realizing I not only want to archive this, get it out of my agenda and todo file, I also want to file a note about the issues, and what I learned about them. I can archive the TODO, and then file a todo, or refile the todo ... hope people understand what I'm asking. It's trivial, a simple elisp function to strip TODO and maybe tags. Thought someone might have an idea about this. I apologize if this is something that has come up before. Alan ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mobile bug?
Hi Phil, On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Phil Branigan wrote: Somehow, in putting together the file list, org-mobile-push strips the home ~ from the file names in org-agenda-files, so that no org files are actually getting copied to my staging directory. I sure would appreciate any hints on how to track this to ground. Hmm, this is strange. What it the value of org-agenda-files, does it actually contain absolute names? Can you show us your configuration, most easily with M-x org-submit-bug-report (at least in order to create the text that you can then send us with an arbitrary mail client) - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Setting org-remember-store-without-prompt specifically for certain templates?
On Oct 22, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Ryan C. Thompson wrote: That's a fine solution for now, but I have one template that I *always* want to be prompted about. (It's an "assignment" template, and I want to refile it under the appropriate class.) For others, I don't want a prompt. I feel there should be a way to implement this and stick it inside a %(sexp) in my template of choice. All you need to do is *not* to specify file and headline for this template - then you will be prompted. HTH - Carsten Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: I just leave org-remember-store-without-prompt as t and use C-c C-c in the remember buffer to put the note in the default location. When I want to specify a different location I use M-1 C-c C-c instead and org asks me where to refile it to. Darlan At Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:15:23 -0700, "Ryan C. Thompson" wrote: ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Remember put new item in the top of the list
On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:39 PM, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote:
Hello,
How could I setup org-remember to put the item I collect in the top
of the list instead of the bottom?
I have the following code:
(setq org-remember-templates
'(
("NextAction" ?t "*** TODO %^{Brief Description} %^g\n%?
\nAdded: %U" "~/org/gtd/newgtd.org" "*Next Actions*")
("Inbox" ?i "\n* %^{topic} %T \n%i%?\n" "~/org/gtd/inbox.org")
("Someday" ?s "\n* %^{topic} %T \n%i%?\n" "~/org/gtd/
someday.org")
;;("WordofDay" ?w "\n* %^{topic} \n%i%?\n" "C:/charles/gtd/
wotd.org")
))
For NextAction, I would like them to be placed at the top, is it
possible?
Hi,
unfortunately, this is not possible on a per template basis.
I am working on a rewrite for much of the remember functionality, and
this will be one of the options.
- Carsten
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[Orgmode] Re: How to Strip TODO headword and refile as a note
"Alan E. Davis" writes: > I had a TODO item to go to the bank. At the bank I had some issues to > discuss with a representative. Now I'm home, I am going over my agenda > "todo" listing, and see this item, with a priority of "A". > > I stumbled momentarily, realizing I not only want to archive this, get > it out of my agenda and todo file, I also want to file a note about the > issues, and what I learned about them. > > I can archive the TODO, and then file a todo, or refile the todo ... > hope people understand what I'm asking. It's trivial, a simple elisp > function to strip TODO and maybe tags. I'm quite not sure I understand what you're asking, but wouldn't it be simplest to mark the item as DONE? Inactive todos do not appear in the agenda. Then you could either add a note to the item with C-c C-z or simply jump to the location of the complete item and add a new sibling with notes and/or a new TODO. But perhaps you're trying to accomplish something different... Best, Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Added support for "habit tracking"
John Wiegley writes: > The only difference between regular repeating tasks and habits is this: > > 1. Habits appear at the bottom of the agenda (by default) Out of curiosity, might I ask what org-agenda-sorting-strategy setting produces the default behavior? My agenda shows habits intermingled with SCHEDULED todos. Here's my org-agenda-sorting-strategy setting. --8<---cut here---start->8--- ((agenda time-up priority-down effort-down) (todo todo-state-up priority-down) (tags priority-down)) --8<---cut here---end--->8--- > 2. Habits can be removed by hitting K > 3. Habits have a little graph, since you need to see consistency over > a > period of time. > > Another difference between habits and tasks is this: If I get to the > end of my day and there are tasks yet undone, it means I need to > schedule them for another day. But if there are habits undone, *I > never reschedule them*. Once I reach a point during the day when I > know I no longer have time or opportunity to work on my habits, I just > hit K and exclude them from the view. What it means is that I'll try > again to do them tomorrow. I very much appreciate this feature! - Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-mode version 6.31trans; Problem with new 'away time' feature
On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Kai Tetzlaff wrote: John Wiegley wrote: On Oct 22, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Kai Tetzlaff wrote: 'Cannot restart clock because task does not contain unfinished clock' When i look at the corresponding clock line the previously running clock has now indeed been stopped (with a time stamp corresponding to the current time). This is an interesting bug. It sounds like the point is not being moved to the correct location to perform the clock-in. I'll take a look. I did some additional investigation and found that if i'm clocking into an item with an unresolved inactive clock from the agenda (created by deleting the end time in its most recent CLOCK: line) a similar thing happens. I'm actually getting clocked out of the current clock and a new CLOCK line gets added which is then the running clock. I think this is what sould happen, no? The other problem you reported, where I said this is a conflict with James' code, should be fixed now. Please verify. - Carsten Don't know if this helps but stepping through the code in the debugger i get to the following code in org-clock-resolve-clock: ((eq resolve-to 'now) (if restart-p (error "RESTART-P is not valid here")) (if (or close-p org-clock-clocking-in) <-- org-close: nil, org-clock-clocking-in: t (org-clock-clock-out clock fail-quietly) <-- clock-out done here (unless (org-is-active-clock clock) (org-clock-clock-in clock t ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: How to Strip TODO headword and refile as a note
Alan E. Davis gmail.com> writes: > I stumbled momentarily, realizing I not only > want to archive this, get it out of my agenda and todo file, I > also want to file a note about the issues, and what I learned > about them. The "todo file" expression suggests organizational problems. When I began to use org-mode I also kept a todo file, but it's a misunderstading of Org. You don't need to keep your todos in a separate file. You should keep everything in files thematically and toggle the TODO keyword on the header right there in the natural context of the task. Org will take care of scanning of your files and pick up your TODO entries. This way if you are done with an item you don't have to "move it out of your agenda and todo file", because it's already there where it belongs, you can add notes to it there and it will disappear from the agenda if you toggle the item to DONE state. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] directory tree size browsing with column view
Hi all,
I would like to use the column view for browsing a hierarchical tree with a
summed up property like e. g. the directory sizes (inclusive cluster waste and
subdirectories from `du -sk`) of a directory tree. Just similar (only unsorted)
to the upper left pane of this GUI screenshot of WinDirStat here
http://windirstat.info/images/windirstat.jpg
Let me make an example how I think to do the same with column view when given a
directory with the two shell outputs
$ ls -lR dir_node
total 16
drwxr-xr-x 2 usr grp 136 Oct 24 12:00 a
drwxr-xr-x 2 usr grp 102 Oct 24 12:00 b
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 9070 Oct 24 13:00 t.txt
dir_node/a:
total 2400
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 x.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 1217312 Oct 24 12:00 y.txt
dir_node/b:
total 16
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 z.txt
$ find dir_node -type d -exec du -sk {} \;
1220dir_node
1200dir_node/a
8 dir_node/b
For this I would like to have `some software' which uses the path to this
directory `dir_node' as input and produces the following output file
-*- mode: org; eval: (org-columns) -*-
#+STARTUP: odd hidestars
#+PROPERTY: size
#+COLUMNS: %20ITEM %size{+}
* dir_node
*** a
:PROPERTIES:
:size: 1200
:END:
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 x.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 1217312 Oct 24 12:00 y.txt
*** b
:PROPERTIES:
:size: 8
:END:
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 z.txt
*** .
:PROPERTIES:
:size: 12
:END:
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 9070 Oct 24 13:00 t.txt
Opening this file in org-mode using column view now is comfortable to browse
and can look e. g. like here
ITEM | size |
* dir_node | 1220 |
*** a| 1200 |
:PROPERTIES:...
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 x.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 1217312 Oct 24 12:00 y.txt
*** b| 8|...
*** .| 12 |...
where all not of interest can be left hidden and one can see easily that
- the directory `a' is by far the largest
- most of the disk usage is caused only by the file dir_node/a/y.txt.
- etc
I would be able to implement this `some software' in a shell script (if I would
take the necessary time some day) but not within Emacs itself which would be
easier to use and IMHO would not be concerned that much with portability issues.
What do you think?
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[Orgmode] Re: New module: org-learn, incremental reading
Excellent, I have been wanting to use this SuperMemo feature for years. Having it readily available in org mode is just too good to be true. Thanks, Richard ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: New module: org-learn, incremental reading
> Regarding 'Re: New module: org-learn, incremental reading'; Bill Powell > adds: >> 3. If your answer is 4 or 5, the item will not be repeated. > In my own experience, material /always/ has to be repeated. +1. Repetition (optimally with ever increasing intervals) is a must. Richard ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Added support for "habit tracking"
Matthew Lundin writes: > John Wiegley writes: > >> The only difference between regular repeating tasks and habits is this: >> >> 1. Habits appear at the bottom of the agenda (by default) > > Out of curiosity, might I ask what org-agenda-sorting-strategy setting > produces the default behavior? My agenda shows habits intermingled with > SCHEDULED todos. Here's my org-agenda-sorting-strategy setting. > > ((agenda time-up priority-down effort-down) > (todo todo-state-up priority-down) > (tags priority-down)) Sorry for the false alarm. I found the new habit-up and habit-down options by checking the docstring of org-agenda-sorting-strategy. - Matt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] directory tree size browsing with column view
Hi Michael,
On 2009-10-24 15:45:32(+0200), Michael Brand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to use the column view for browsing a hierarchical tree with a
> summed up property like e. g. the directory sizes (inclusive cluster waste and
> subdirectories from `du -sk`) of a directory tree. Just similar (only
> unsorted) to the upper left pane of this GUI screenshot of WinDirStat here
> http://windirstat.info/images/windirstat.jpg
>
> Let me make an example how I think to do the same with column view when given
> a directory with the two shell outputs
>
>
> $ ls -lR dir_node
> total 16
> drwxr-xr-x 2 usr grp 136 Oct 24 12:00 a
> drwxr-xr-x 2 usr grp 102 Oct 24 12:00 b
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 9070 Oct 24 13:00 t.txt
>
> dir_node/a:
> total 2400
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 x.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 1217312 Oct 24 12:00 y.txt
>
> dir_node/b:
> total 16
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 z.txt
>
>
>
> $ find dir_node -type d -exec du -sk {} \;
> 1220 dir_node
> 1200 dir_node/a
> 8 dir_node/b
>
>
> For this I would like to have `some software' which uses the path to this
> directory `dir_node' as input and produces the following output file
>
>
> -*- mode: org; eval: (org-columns) -*-
> #+STARTUP: odd hidestars
> #+PROPERTY: size
> #+COLUMNS: %20ITEM %size{+}
>
> * dir_node
> *** a
> :PROPERTIES:
> :size: 1200
> :END:
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 x.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 1217312 Oct 24 12:00 y.txt
> *** b
> :PROPERTIES:
> :size: 8
> :END:
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 z.txt
> *** .
> :PROPERTIES:
> :size: 12
> :END:
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 9070 Oct 24 13:00 t.txt
>
>
> Opening this file in org-mode using column view now is comfortable to browse
> and can look e. g. like here
>
>
> ITEM | size |
> * dir_node | 1220 |
> *** a| 1200 |
> :PROPERTIES:...
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 4535 Oct 24 12:00 x.txt
> -rw-r--r-- 1 usr grp 1217312 Oct 24 12:00 y.txt
> *** b| 8|...
> *** .| 12 |...
>
>
> where all not of interest can be left hidden and one can see easily that
> - the directory `a' is by far the largest
> - most of the disk usage is caused only by the file dir_node/a/y.txt.
> - etc
>
> I would be able to implement this `some software' in a shell script (if I
> would take the necessary time some day) but not within Emacs itself which
> would be easier to use and IMHO would not be concerned that much with
> portability issues.
>
> What do you think?
Have you looked at org-fstree? http://repo.or.cz/w/org-fstree.git
It generates an org tree for the contents of a directory. It doesn't have an
option to include the size or other file attributes as properties as the moment,
but I don't think this would be hard to add. Andreas and I have been working on
it quite a lot over the last week, I'll see if I can add an option which would
do what you want.
James
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Re: [Orgmode] Remember put new item in the top of the list
Hi Carsten, On 2009-10-24 14:24:18(+0200), Carsten Dominik wrote: > I am working on a rewrite for much of the remember functionality, and > this will be one of the options. I don't know how far you've got with your work on org-remember, but if you'd like to look at my rewrite, a cleaned-up and mostly working version is in the remember-lite branch in my org-mode repo. I've got it into a state where I can actually use it over the last couple of weeks, but there are still quite a few bugs in it and some of the new features don't quite work properly. I am continuing to work on it, fixing bugs as I find them. I'll try and write up a summary of the changes I've made (and which ones are working properly) and post it to the list later so you can decide what you want to do with the code. James -- |---| ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mobile bug?
Good to hear. Thanks. - Carsten On Oct 24, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Phil Branigan wrote: Sorry all. It was an overly hasty posting and a hint from Bob Erb led me to realize that my load-path was pulling in an old version. The problem disappears when the current version is loaded. - Phil On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Carsten Dominik > wrote: Hi Phil, On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Phil Branigan wrote: Somehow, in putting together the file list, org-mobile-push strips the home ~ from the file names in org-agenda-files, so that no org files are actually getting copied to my staging directory. I sure would appreciate any hints on how to track this to ground. Hmm, this is strange. What it the value of org-agenda-files, does it actually contain absolute names? Can you show us your configuration, most easily with M-x org-submit-bug-report (at least in order to create the text that you can then send us with an arbitrary mail client) - Carsten - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [PATCH] Avoid losing persisted clock data when exiting emac without loading org-mode
Hi Kai, On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Kai Tetzlaff wrote: Hi, i noticed that when using the org-mode clock persistence, the stored clock data gets deleted when i start emacs and exit again without turning on org-mode in between. When looking at org-clock-persistence-insinuate it looks like org- clock load will only run after org-mode gets started whereas org-clock-save will always be called when exiting emacs: (defun org-clock-persistence-insinuate () "Set up hooks for clock persistence" (add-hook 'org-mode-hook 'org-clock-load) (add-hook 'kill-emacs-hook 'org-clock-save)) Not running org-mode-hook (i.e. not starting org-mode) thus does not load clock data but org-clock-save overwrites any prviously saved data when exiting emacs. An easy fix for that would be to just add org-clock-load to e.g. emacs-startup-hook. But this will only work if the code in org-clock-load does not depend on any org-mode initialization code (or would require loading org-mode). So org-clock-save should probably check if org-clock-load has been running during the current emacs session (or if clock persistence was just enabled) and only then save clock data when exiting emacs. I tried to add this to the code in org-clock-save: diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el index c7ebbf8..c0fe4e6 100644 --- a/lisp/org-clock.el +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el @@ -1803,7 +1803,8 @@ This function is made for clock tables." "Persist various clock-related data to disk. The details of what will be saved are regulated by the variable `org-clock-persist'." - (when org-clock-persist + (when (and org-clock-persist + (or org-clock-loaded (not (file-exists-p org-clock-persist-file (let (b) (with-current-buffer (find-file (expand-file-name org-clock-persist-file)) (progn /Kai diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el index c7ebbf8..c0fe4e6 100644 --- a/lisp/org-clock.el +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el @@ -1803,7 +1803,8 @@ This function is made for clock tables." "Persist various clock-related data to disk. The details of what will be saved are regulated by the variable `org-clock-persist'." - (when org-clock-persist + (when (and org-clock-persist + (or org-clock-loaded (not (file-exists-p org-clock- persist-file (let (b) (with-current-buffer (find-file (expand-file-name org-clock- persist-file)) (progn I see you point, but I am not convinced that you fix is the right one. What one really wants to do is save the clock and history if and only if the clock has been used in the current session. So I guess it is better to create a special variable org-clock-used-in-this-session which then will be set to t each time clock-in starts a clock somewhere. I believe this would be a better insurance policy. Would you like to try your hand at a patch in this spirit? - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Org-mobile bug?
Sorry all. It was an overly hasty posting and a hint from Bob Erb led me to realize that my load-path was pulling in an old version. The problem disappears when the current version is loaded. - Phil On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Phil, > > > On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Phil Branigan wrote: > > Somehow, in putting together the file list, org-mobile-push strips the >> home ~ >> from the file names in org-agenda-files, so that no org files are actually >> getting copied to my staging directory. I sure would appreciate any hints >> on >> how to track this to ground. >> > > Hmm, this is strange. What it the value of org-agenda-files, > does it actually contain absolute names? > > Can you show us your configuration, most easily with > > M-x org-submit-bug-report > > (at least in order to create the text that you can then send > us with an arbitrary mail client) > > - Carsten > > > > ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Org-mode version 6.31trans; Problem with new 'away time' feature
Carsten Dominik wrote: > > On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Kai Tetzlaff wrote: > >> John Wiegley wrote: >>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Kai Tetzlaff wrote: >>> 'Cannot restart clock because task does not contain unfinished clock' When i look at the corresponding clock line the previously running clock has now indeed been stopped (with a time stamp corresponding to the current time). >>> >>> This is an interesting bug. It sounds like the point is not being moved >>> to the correct location to perform the clock-in. I'll take a look. >> >> I did some additional investigation and found that if i'm clocking into >> an item with an unresolved inactive clock from the agenda (created by >> deleting the end time in its most recent CLOCK: line) a similar thing >> happens. I'm actually getting clocked out of the current clock and a new >> CLOCK line gets added which is then the running clock. > > I think this is what sould happen, no? Maybe i wasn't clear. The task i'm clocking in to is the same which has the unresolved clock. After confirming that all pending time should be resolved to this same task i would have thought that the unresolved clock would then just be reactivated. But no problem if that's not how it works. > > The other problem you reported, where I said this is a conflict with > James' code, should be fixed now. Please verify. Yes, it's fixed. Thanks! > > - Carsten > >> >> Don't know if this helps but stepping through the code in the debugger i >> get to the following code in org-clock-resolve-clock: >> >> ((eq resolve-to 'now) >> (if restart-p >> (error "RESTART-P is not valid here")) >> (if (or close-p org-clock-clocking-in) <-- org-close: nil, >> org-clock-clocking-in: t >> (org-clock-clock-out clock fail-quietly) <-- clock-out done here >> (unless (org-is-active-clock clock) >> (org-clock-clock-in clock t >> >> >> >> ___ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > - Carsten > > > > > > ___ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [PATCH] Avoid losing persisted clock data when exiting emac without loading org-mode
Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Kai, > > > On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Kai Tetzlaff wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> i noticed that when using the org-mode clock persistence, the stored >> clock data gets deleted when i start emacs and exit again without >> turning on org-mode in between. >> >> When looking at org-clock-persistence-insinuate it looks like org-clock >> load will only run after org-mode gets started whereas org-clock-save >> will always be called when exiting emacs: >> >> (defun org-clock-persistence-insinuate () >> "Set up hooks for clock persistence" >> (add-hook 'org-mode-hook 'org-clock-load) >> (add-hook 'kill-emacs-hook 'org-clock-save)) >> >> Not running org-mode-hook (i.e. not starting org-mode) thus does not >> load clock data but org-clock-save overwrites any prviously saved data >> when exiting emacs. >> >> An easy fix for that would be to just add org-clock-load to e.g. >> emacs-startup-hook. But this will only work if the code in >> org-clock-load does not depend on any org-mode initialization code (or >> would require loading org-mode). >> >> So org-clock-save should probably check if org-clock-load has been >> running during the current emacs session (or if clock persistence was >> just enabled) and only then save clock data when exiting emacs. I tried >> to add this to the code in org-clock-save: >> >> diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el >> index c7ebbf8..c0fe4e6 100644 >> --- a/lisp/org-clock.el >> +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el >> @@ -1803,7 +1803,8 @@ This function is made for clock tables." >> "Persist various clock-related data to disk. >> The details of what will be saved are regulated by the variable >> `org-clock-persist'." >> - (when org-clock-persist >> + (when (and org-clock-persist >> + (or org-clock-loaded (not (file-exists-p >> org-clock-persist-file >> (let (b) >> (with-current-buffer (find-file (expand-file-name >> org-clock-persist-file)) >> (progn >> >> >> /Kai >> >> diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el >> index c7ebbf8..c0fe4e6 100644 >> --- a/lisp/org-clock.el >> +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el >> @@ -1803,7 +1803,8 @@ This function is made for clock tables." >> "Persist various clock-related data to disk. >> The details of what will be saved are regulated by the variable >> `org-clock-persist'." >> - (when org-clock-persist >> + (when (and org-clock-persist >> + (or org-clock-loaded (not (file-exists-p >> org-clock-persist-file >> (let (b) >> (with-current-buffer (find-file (expand-file-name >> org-clock-persist-file)) >> (progn > > > I see you point, but I am not convinced that you fix is the right one. > What one really wants to do is save the clock and history if and only if > the clock has been used in the current session. So I guess it is better > to create a special variable org-clock-used-in-this-session which then > will be set to t each time clock-in starts a clock somewhere. I believe > this would be a better insurance policy. You're right - this would be even better. > Would you like to try your hand at a patch in this spirit? I've just started to play with emacs lisp. But this sounds like something not too difficult. So thanks for the offer :-), i'm going to give it a try ... > - Carsten > >> ___ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > - Carsten > > > > ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [PATCH] Avoid losing persisted clock data when exiting emac without loading org-mode
Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Kai, > > > On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Kai Tetzlaff wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> i noticed that when using the org-mode clock persistence, the stored >> clock data gets deleted when i start emacs and exit again without >> turning on org-mode in between. >> >> When looking at org-clock-persistence-insinuate it looks like org-clock >> load will only run after org-mode gets started whereas org-clock-save >> will always be called when exiting emacs: >> >> (defun org-clock-persistence-insinuate () >> "Set up hooks for clock persistence" >> (add-hook 'org-mode-hook 'org-clock-load) >> (add-hook 'kill-emacs-hook 'org-clock-save)) >> >> Not running org-mode-hook (i.e. not starting org-mode) thus does not >> load clock data but org-clock-save overwrites any prviously saved data >> when exiting emacs. >> >> An easy fix for that would be to just add org-clock-load to e.g. >> emacs-startup-hook. But this will only work if the code in >> org-clock-load does not depend on any org-mode initialization code (or >> would require loading org-mode). >> >> So org-clock-save should probably check if org-clock-load has been >> running during the current emacs session (or if clock persistence was >> just enabled) and only then save clock data when exiting emacs. I tried >> to add this to the code in org-clock-save: >> >> diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el >> index c7ebbf8..c0fe4e6 100644 >> --- a/lisp/org-clock.el >> +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el >> @@ -1803,7 +1803,8 @@ This function is made for clock tables." >> "Persist various clock-related data to disk. >> The details of what will be saved are regulated by the variable >> `org-clock-persist'." >> - (when org-clock-persist >> + (when (and org-clock-persist >> + (or org-clock-loaded (not (file-exists-p >> org-clock-persist-file >> (let (b) >> (with-current-buffer (find-file (expand-file-name >> org-clock-persist-file)) >> (progn >> >> >> /Kai >> > > I see you point, but I am not convinced that you fix is the right one. > What one really wants to do is save the clock and history if and only if > the clock has been used in the current session. So I guess it is better > to create a special variable org-clock-used-in-this-session which then > will be set to t each time clock-in starts a clock somewhere. I believe > this would be a better insurance policy. > > Would you like to try your hand at a patch in this spirit? Ok, i've attached a new path which uses the suggested approach. I wasn't exactly sure about where to set org-clock-used-in-this-session to t. It's now done right at the end of org-clock-in, just before running hooks in org-clock-in-hook. I've done a couple of (simple) tests and it works fine for me. /Kai > - Carsten > >> ___ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > - Carsten > > > > diff --git a/lisp/org-clock.el b/lisp/org-clock.el index b1041e2..467ffc4 100644 --- a/lisp/org-clock.el +++ b/lisp/org-clock.el @@ -244,6 +244,7 @@ to add an effort property.") (defvar org-clock-heading "") (defvar org-clock-heading-for-remember "") (defvar org-clock-start-time "") +(defvar org-clock-used-in-this-session nil) (defvar org-clock-left-over-time nil "If non-nil, user cancelled a clock; this is when leftover time started.") @@ -953,6 +954,7 @@ the clocking selection, associated with the letter `d'." (setq org-clock-idle-timer (run-with-timer 60 60 'org-resolve-clocks-if-idle)) (message "Clock starts at %s - %s" ts msg-extra) +(setq org-clock-used-in-this-session t) (run-hooks 'org-clock-in-hook))) (defun org-clock-mark-default-task () @@ -1824,7 +1826,7 @@ This function is made for clock tables." "Persist various clock-related data to disk. The details of what will be saved are regulated by the variable `org-clock-persist'." - (when org-clock-persist + (when (and org-clock-persist org-clock-used-in-this-session) (let (b) (with-current-buffer (find-file (expand-file-name org-clock-persist-file)) (progn ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Removal of org-R from contrib
Org-R will soon be removed from the contrib directory. It is available from my website (code[1] and tutorial[2]), and of course remains in the history of the org mode git repository. However, I'd encourage anyone interested to use org-babel[3] to run R code in org-mode documents. I won't be maintaining it any more so, for the record, the final version is 0.06 2009-04-15. Dan Footnotes: [1] http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~davison/software/org-R/org-R.el [2] http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~davison/software/org-R/worg/org-R.html [3] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/org-babel.php ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] directory tree size browsing with column view
Hi Michael,
On 2009-10-24 16:51:17(+0100), James TD Smith wrote:
> On 2009-10-24 15:45:32(+0200), Michael Brand wrote:
> > I would like to use the column view for browsing a hierarchical tree with a
> > summed up property like e. g. the directory sizes (inclusive cluster waste
> > and
> > subdirectories from `du -sk`) of a directory tree. Just similar (only
> > unsorted) to the upper left pane of this GUI screenshot of WinDirStat here
> > http://windirstat.info/images/windirstat.jpg
[snip]
> > What do you think?
>
> Have you looked at org-fstree? http://repo.or.cz/w/org-fstree.git
>
> It generates an org tree for the contents of a directory. It doesn't have an
> option to include the size or other file attributes as properties as the
> moment,
> but I don't think this would be hard to add. Andreas and I have been working
> on
> it quite a lot over the last week, I'll see if I can add an option which would
> do what you want.
OK, I have added support for including file attributes as properties to
org-fstree. You will need to use the merge_jtd_smiths_patch branch.
Once you have loaded org-fstree put the following in an orgfile and fill in the
directory name.
--8<---cut here---start->8---
* Disk usage
:PROPERTIES:
:COLUMNS: %80ITEM %size{+}
:END:
#+BEGIN: fstree :dir "" :file-attributes (size)
#+END:
--8<---cut here---end--->8---
Hit C-c C-c on the #+BEGIN line to fill in the file details.
James
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Re: [Orgmode] Setting org-remember-store-without-prompt specifically for certain templates?
Carsten Dominik wrote: All you need to do is *not* to specify file and headline for this template - then you will be prompted. If I don't specify a file and headline, won't the note just be stored under org-default-notes file and org-remember-default-headline? Or even remember-data-file? ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] getting Firefox tabs into org on a mac
Hi Samuel,
thanks for taking the time to report your findings and ideas.
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:31:32 -0700
Samuel Wales wrote:
> Hi Andreas,
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 01:12, Andreas Burtzlaff wrote:
> > I will add an entry to the tab context menu tonight to do this in one
> > step.
>
> Thanks, kind of you.
>
> > Concerning syncing I'm not sure I get your plan entirely. Is the main
> > purpose of it to synchronize the tabs between different browsers?
>
> Yes, that would be nice. Also, you don't want to save a
> duplicate of the same tab.
So this is a special case of having a list/tree of bookmarks
sychronized between Org, Firefox and other browsers.
It needs communication from Emacs to the browser plugin, which I had
working once. I'll try to revive that code when I get time.
> It might be useful to have more than one remember template:
> one for saving all tabs and one for saving one tab.
In the updated documentation take a look at the option
"List of characters specifying available remember templates".
> Another
> idea is to have a button on the status line that you can
> left click on to remember one tab.
Ok, that would save one click at the expense of the
status bar's cleaness. Would the middle mouse button do?
>
> Apparent bugs and suggestions follow. (Others not
> developing Fireforg need not read.)
>
> ===
>
> There was a setting that I didn't understand having to do
> with using DOI. Perhaps how this works can be explained.
> Does it use the net? You might want to mention that it
> stands for digital object identifier.
It searches for a Digital Object Identifier in the hmtl code of the
site shown. If "Prefetch links to extract" is enabled, it does so also
for all links in a website after it is loaded.
I've updated the documentation.
> I had to change head -1 to head -n 1 in the pull script to
> fix an error in head. head is /sw/bin/head, perhaps from
> some fink or macports package.
That's fixed, thanks.
> Perhaps the error messages in emacs and ff can explain what
> you need to do to fix them. Also, perhaps common
> non-working states can be checked for. That would make it
> easier.
>
> I used your suggested template:
>
> ("fireforg" ?w "* %:description \n %:link %!")
>
> Sometimes, nothing happens. Other times, emacs opens a
> buffer that is blank. It expects you to do c-x # to finish
> the buffer. Currently nothing is happening, so I can't
> describe that one more fully.
>
> At one point I got this error message.
>
> error in process filter: Setting current directory: no such
> file or directory,
> /Users/.../fireforg/org-protocol:/remember:/http%3A%2F%2F...
That all is a symptom of org-protocol not having been initialized.
> It might be nice to document whether any of the options will
> slow Firefox or Emacs down. (Even if none of them do.)
Yes, done that.
> I noticed that the Read It Later extension no longer has a
> button. Might be a coincidence.
I can't reproduce this with either order of installation. If this
persists could you please check whether there are any errors in
"Tools"->"Error console" concerning either of the plugins?
> Perhaps giving git instructions would make it easier to dl
> the .sh, .xpi, and .el all at once. "git clone
> http://repo.or.cz/w/org-fireforg.git"; did not work.
> (Something about corruption; I don't have the output now.)
git clone http://repo.or.cz/r/org-fireforg.git
The directory "w" shows the website for the project.
-- Andreas
> That is all the bug reporting I can do. I will have to stop
> trying to get Fireforg to work. I cannot make further
> attempts as debugging requires far too much physical use of
> keyboard and mouse.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 17:00, Andreas Burtzlaff wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:12:42 +0200
> > Andreas Burtzlaff wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:40:54 -0700
> >> Samuel Wales wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have a huge number of Firefox tabs that I want to get into
> >> > org. Figuring out how has gotten complicated, despite good
> >> > documentation out there.
> >> >
> >> > I want simply title and url for each tab.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe like this:
> >> >
> >> > * Firefox tabs
> >> > * Public Git Hosting - Worg.git/summary
> >> > http://repo.or.cz/w/Worg.git
> >> > * Google Search
> >> > http://www.google.com
> >> >
> >> > Would be nice to get fancier by allowing annotations (for
> >> > use by fireforg?). And allowing syncing back and forth.
> >> > But first, I just want to get started.
> >> >
> >> > I envision two ways of doing this. Maybe there are more.
> >> >
> >> > 1) Have emacs or a script convert one of the folders in
> >> > the bookmark file to an org outline as above.
> >> > 2) Have org-mac-protocol set up for individual tabs to be
> >> > clicked to get them remembered.
> >> >
> >> > If I do (2), then I'd want it to be easy. That is, without
> >> > having to switch from mouse to keyboard. But does (2) work
> >
Re: [Orgmode] getting Firefox tabs into org on a mac
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:56:15 -0700
Samuel Wales wrote:
> Minor correction and new error messages.
>
> The process filter error message was probably due to not running the
> fireforg things in .emacs. I had commented them out because they take
> several minutes to load the links in org-agenda-files, and when I
> restarted emacs to try to get fireforg to work, they didn't get run.
Generating and looking up the registry doesn't scale well. With a huge
amount of links in the agenda files a proper database like sqlite would
be needed instead of generating a huge xml file that needs to be parsed
all the while. If I get time I might try that.
> Here are new error messages.
>
> error in process filter: org-protocol-unhex-compound: Invalid
> character: 8211, #o20023, #x2013
> error in process filter: Invalid character: 8211, #o20023, #x2013
Using only the org-protocol bookmarks I get the same error with Emacs 22
but not with Emacs 23, when trying to remember the URL:
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.php
A full backtrace is attached.
8211 seems to be the &ndash in the title.
What Emacs version are you using?
Sebastian, any idea?
-- Andreas
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Invalid character: 8211, #o20023,
#x2013") char-to-string(8211)
(concat ret (char-to-string sum))
(setq ret (concat ret (char-to-string sum)))
(progn (setq ret (concat ret ...)) (setq sum 0))
(if (= 0 eat) (progn (setq ret ...) (setq sum 0)))
(when (= 0 eat) (setq ret (concat ret ...)) (setq sum 0))
(let* ((b ...) (a ...) (b ...) (c1 ...) (c2 ...) (val ...)
(shift ...) (xor ...)) (if (>= val 192) (setq eat shift)) (setq val
(logxor val xor)) (setq sum (+ ... val)) (if (> eat 0) (setq eat ...))
(when (= 0 eat) (setq ret ...) (setq sum 0))) (while bytes (let*
(... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...) (if ... ...) (setq val ...) (setq
sum ...) (if ... ...) (when ... ... ...))) (let* ((bytes ...) (ret "")
(eat 0) (sum 0)) (while bytes (let* ... ... ... ... ... ...)) ret)
org-protocol-unhex-compound("%20%E2%80%93%20") (let* ((start ...)
(end ...) (hex ...) (replacement ...)) (setq tmp (concat tmp ...
replacement)) (setq str (substring str end))) (while (string-match "\\(%
[0-9a-f][0-9a-f]\\)+" str) (let* (... ... ... ...) (setq tmp ...) (setq
str ...))) (let ((tmp "") (case-fold-search t)) (while (string-match "\
\(%[0-9a-f][0-9a-f]\\)+" str) (let* ... ... ...)) (setq tmp (concat tmp
str)) tmp) org-protocol-unhex-string("org-protocol.el%20%E2%80%93%
20Intercept%20calls%20from%20emacsclient%20to%20trigger%20custom%
20actions") mapcar(org-protocol-unhex-string ("http%3A%2F%2Forgmode.org%
2Fworg%2Forg-contrib%2Forg-protocol.php" "org-protocol.el%20%E2%80%93%
20Intercept%20calls%20from%20emacsclient%20to%20trigger%20custom%
20actions" "")) (if (fboundp unhexify) (mapcar unhexify split-parts)
(mapcar (quote org-protocol-unhex-string) split-parts)) (if unhexify
(if (fboundp unhexify) (mapcar unhexify split-parts) (mapcar ...
split-parts)) split-parts) (let* ((sep ...) (split-parts ...)) (if
unhexify (if ... ... ...) split-parts)) org-protocol-split-data("http%3A
%2F%2Forgmode.org%2Fworg%2Forg-contrib%
2Forg-protocol.php/org-protocol.el%20%E2%80%93%20Intercept%20calls%
20from%20emacsclient%20to%20trigger%20custom%20actions/" t) (let*
((parts ...) (template ...) (url ...) (type ...) (title ...)
(region ...) (orglink ...) remember-annotation-functions) (setq
org-stored-links (cons ... org-stored-links)) (kill-new orglink)
(org-store-link-props :type type :link url :description title :initial
region) (raise-frame) (org-remember nil (string-to-char template))) (if
(and (boundp ...) (fboundp ...)) (let* (... ... ... ... ... ... ...
remember-annotation-functions) (setq org-stored-links ...) (kill-new
orglink) (org-store-link-props :type type :link url :description
title :initial region) (raise-frame) (org-remember nil ...)) (message
"Org-mode not loaded.")) org-protocol-remember("http%3A%2F%2Forgmode.org
%2Fworg%2Forg-contrib%2Forg-protocol.php/org-protocol.el%20%E2%80%93%
20Intercept%20calls%20from%20emacsclient%20to%20trigger%20custom%
20actions/") funcall(org-protocol-remember "http%3A%2F%2Forgmode.org%
2Fworg%2Forg-contrib%2Forg-protocol.php/org-protocol.el%20%E2%80%93%
20Intercept%20calls%20from%20emacsclient%20to%20trigger%20custom%
20actions/") (throw (quote fname) (funcall func result)) (if greedy nil
(throw (quote fname) (funcall func result))) (unless greedy (throw
(quote fname) (funcall func result))) (progn (unless greedy
(throw ... ...)) (funcall func result) (throw (quote fname) t)) (if
(fboundp func) (progn (unless greedy ...) (funcall func result)
(throw ... t))) (when (fboundp func) (unless greedy (throw ... ...))
(funcall func result) (throw (quote fname) t)) (let* ((func ...)
(greedy ...) (splitted ...) (result ...)) (when
(plist-get ... :kill-client) (message "Greedy org-protocol handler.
Killing client.") (server-edit)) (when (fboundp func) (unless
greedy ...) (funcall func result) (throw ... t))) (progn
Re: [Orgmode] Re: How to Strip TODO headword and refile as a note
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 08:49, Matt Lundin wrote: >> it out of my agenda and todo file, I also want to file a note about the >> issues, and what I learned about them. > > I'm quite not sure I understand what you're asking, but wouldn't it be > simplest to mark the item as DONE? Inactive todos do not appear in the > agenda. > > Then you could either add a note to the item with C-c C-z or simply jump > to the location of the complete item and add a new sibling with notes > and/or a new TODO. > > But perhaps you're trying to accomplish something different... > > Best, > Matt One way to do this is to have DONE items automatically prompt for a note. You enter your text into a buffer and press C-c C-c to finish the process. It is very much like `remember'. If you don't want a note at all, press C-c C-k instead. Do this by setting your `org-todo-keywords' so that the DONE state is defined as "DONE(d@)". See section 5.3.2 of the manual "Tracking TODO state changes". ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: contact management in org-mode?
> > Lindsay> package. Or is BBDB so wonderful that I should just use > > Lindsay> that instead? > > > > I use both and I really recommend BBDB. I've never used the link between > > bbdb and org-mode, so I cannot comment on that. But they're two great > > packages on their own merits. > > Bets regards, > > I use both. bbdb works great as a contact manager. I link to entries > in bbdb in my org-mode files for phone calls etc. > > -Bernt I reverse my recommendation regarding BBDB. /rant on I'm migrating out of it as fast as I can. The import/export tools are terrible / nonexistant unless you know elisp, and good luck with resolving contacts from multiple sources. I don't use GNUS or any of the other features of BBDB aside from rare org-links and mutt lbdb integration for address lookup. I have wasted hours at this point trying to export data from BBDB so I can use it to rebuild my contacts on my new phone (G1). Imagine hacking the data back out of BBDB's funky format so I can have it in CSV. There's absolutely no way for me to sync between sources without fast import/export. At this point the forerunner is abook, not just because its format is simple and plain text, but because it integrates with lbdb and FULL CSV import and export work properly out of the box. My only complaints are its fixed database format which doesn't extend easily, and its not inside emacs. Given that an "addressbook" program is typically used as the most basic example in learning how to code forms or databases, its sad to see how badly the available options suck. /rant off I'll post if I find a better alternative. I welcome recommendations while I try to centralize my contacts to CSV while I decide what to put them in. Thanks. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: contact management in org-mode?
Russell Adams writes: > I'm migrating out of it as fast as I can. The import/export tools are > terrible / nonexistant unless you know elisp, Have you tried any of these. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BbdbImporters http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BbdbExporters ? I am currently using bbdb-vcard-import.el and bbdb-vcard-export.el with no problems. I have also used bbdb-rf.el in the past. Charles -- Linux: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. (By komar...@craft.camp.clarkson.edu, Mark Komarinski) pgpuV0dHXWT5g.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
