Re: [O] Getting beginning postiion of a description list
Ah, this makes sense. Unfortunately, an additional constraint I failed to mention in the first email is that it'd be nice if the solution worked for numbered lists as well. That solution unfortunately breaks on numbered lists :( Is there perhaps another way to accomplish this? P.S. I just noticed the typo in "position" in the subject of this thread...apols, how very embarrassing of me. On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:31 PM, John Kitchin wrote: > This is very un-orgish but it seems to do it. (forward-word) goes to the > end the next recognized word, (backward-word) to the beginning of the > word you are now at the end of, and (backward-char) to get to a > space. You just need org to get you on the list ;) > > It seems to work on these. > > - foo :: bar(goto-char (org-element-property :contents-begin > (org-element-at-point))) > - baz :: goo > - 1 egg > - 0.5 cups > - :punc > > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp > (defun gg () > (interactive) > (beginning-of-line) > (forward-word) > (backward-word) > (while (not (looking-at " ")) >(backward-char))) > #+END_SRC > > > Calvin Young writes: > > > Hi all, > > > > If my cursor is in a description list item, what's the recommended way of > > getting the point at the beginning of the description list text (i.e., > > after the bullet character)? To illustrate, given the following > description > > list item, I'd like to get the point represented by the pipe character > "|": > > > > - |foo :: bar > > > > If I use something like `(org-element-property :contents-begin > > (org-element-at-point))`, that gives me the point at the beginning of the > > description, not the list item: > > > > - foo :: |bar > > > > How do I need to massage this to give me the beginning of the whole list > > item? Is there a recommended solution that'd work for both description > > lists *and* plain lists? > > > > Thanks everyone :) > > > > Calvin > > -- > Professor John Kitchin > Doherty Hall A207F > Department of Chemical Engineering > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > 412-268-7803 > @johnkitchin > http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu >
[O] Getting beginning postiion of a description list
Hi all, If my cursor is in a description list item, what's the recommended way of getting the point at the beginning of the description list text (i.e., after the bullet character)? To illustrate, given the following description list item, I'd like to get the point represented by the pipe character "|": - |foo :: bar If I use something like `(org-element-property :contents-begin (org-element-at-point))`, that gives me the point at the beginning of the description, not the list item: - foo :: |bar How do I need to massage this to give me the beginning of the whole list item? Is there a recommended solution that'd work for both description lists *and* plain lists? Thanks everyone :) Calvin
[O] Path to contrib directory in OSX Emacs
Hey all, Does anyone know whether the version of OSX Emacs from http://emacsformacosx.com/ comes with all of the org-mode contrib packages? If so, I'm having a heck of a time finding it. It looks like `org.el` is getting loaded from /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/org, but that path doesn't appear to have any references to the contrib packages. If the contrib packages don't come bundled with OSX Emacs, what's the recommended way of getting them? Calvin
Re: [O] Emulating list functionality from traditional GUI editors
No problem, I've gone ahead and packaged my changes here: https://github.com/calvinwyoung/org-autolist I'll also submit this to melpa to make it easier to install. I'd love hear how other Org'ers on this list feel about it. If folks find it useful, I'd be happy to publish it on Worg as well. Best, Calvin On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Sebastien Vauban wrote: > > Calvin Young wrote: > > Makes sense! Just wanted to see how others felt about this :) > > > > Anyway thanks for the consideration, and for the tip > > about org-element-at-point -- really did make this trivial to implement. > > Once your customizations are done, it would be nice if you'd publish > them on Worg, for future Org'ers who share your editing habits. > > Best regards, > Seb > > -- > Sebastien Vauban > > >
Re: [O] Emulating list functionality from traditional GUI editors
Makes sense! Just wanted to see how others felt about this :)
Anyway thanks for the consideration, and for the tip
about org-element-at-point -- really did make this trivial to implement.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Rasmus wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Calvin Young writes:
>
> >- If the cursor is at the end of a list item, then "Return" should
> >insert a new list item (i.e., automatically perform org-meta-return)
>
> Maybe you can use org-element-at-point and advice org-return?
>
> >- If the cursor is at the beginning of an empty list item, then
> "Return"
> >should outdent the list item (or remove it if it's already at the
> >outer-most indentation level)
>
> I don't understand this. Do you know M-{left,right}? Again, you could
> advice org-return.
>
> In LO it removes the bullet. Here you can use C-S-Backspace. Bonus: it
> works everywhere!
>
> >- If the cursor is at the beginning of an empty list item, then
> >"Backspace" should delete the list item and move my cursor to the end
> of
> >the previous list item
>
> This is like C-S-Backspace C-p C-e. You could advice org-delete-backward.
>
> >- It'd be nice of these rules could be applied to checkboxes as well
>
> It should be trivial to support using org-element-at-point.
>
> > What I'm describing is really just the default behavior around bulleted /
> > numbered lists in other GUI editors (e.g., Google Docs, Gmail, OSX Notes,
> > etc.).
>
> OK...
>
> > Are there any options built in to org-mode that'd let me enable this?
>
> No. And I doubt it should be. But Emacs is /your/ extensible editor.
>
> --Rasmus
>
> --
> Need more coffee. . .
>
>
>
[O] Emulating list functionality from traditional GUI editors
Hi all, I've been using org-mode for a while now, and it's been life-changing in terms of how I keep organized. However, there's still one thing I miss from traditional note-taking apps when working with lists. Specifically, I'd like to enable the following behavior: - If the cursor is at the end of a list item, then "Return" should insert a new list item (i.e., automatically perform org-meta-return) - If the cursor is at the beginning of an empty list item, then "Return" should outdent the list item (or remove it if it's already at the outer-most indentation level) - If the cursor is at the beginning of an empty list item, then "Backspace" should delete the list item and move my cursor to the end of the previous list item - It'd be nice of these rules could be applied to checkboxes as well What I'm describing is really just the default behavior around bulleted / numbered lists in other GUI editors (e.g., Google Docs, Gmail, OSX Notes, etc.). Are there any options built in to org-mode that'd let me enable this? Best, Calvin
Re: [O] Emulating list functionality from traditional GUI editors
Jorge, thanks for the quick response! > * If the cursor is at the end of a list item, then "Return" should >> insert a new list item (i.e., automatically perform org-meta-return) >> > > M- does this. You do not want to do that because you when > you want to finish the list finishes it. > I don't think I explained myself clearly the first time around. The behavior I'm hoping to achieve (i.e., the default bulletting behavior in Google Docs, OSX Notes, etc.) is as follows: ;; Starting with this setup: - one - two + a[CURSOR_HERE] ;; Hitting should produce: - one - two + a + [CURSOR_HERE] ;; Hitting again would then produce: - one - two + a - [CURSOR_HERE] ;; And hitting one last time would produce: - one - two + a [CURSOR_HERE] I know we can already achieve this with some combination of M-, , and M-S-, but this behavior has 2 distinct advantages: 1. The user only needs to remember one key to cycle between all of these actions, rather than 3 key combinations. 2. This behavior is more consistent with the bulleting behavior in other editors, which could make it feel more intuitive for new org-mode users. > * If the cursor is at the beginning of an empty list item, then >> "Return" should outdent the list item (or remove it if it's already at >> the outer-most indentation level) >> > > I am not sure that I understand this but I assume that you would obtain > the same with . It goes back and forth between levels of list so if > you have > > - one > - two > + a > + CURSOR_HERE > > and you hit then it changes to > - one > - two > + a >+ CURSOR_HERE > > and then two times (or S- from the beginning) changes it to > > - one > - two > + a > - CURSOR_HERE > Yes, but for the reasons mentioned above, it'd be nice if we could use the to outdent a new list entry as well. > * If the cursor is at the beginning of an empty list item, then >> "Backspace" should delete the list item and move my cursor to the end of >> the previous list item >> > > I guess you could remap to a function that checks if you are > at the beginning of the list and when that is true it does what you want, > otherwise it just calls `delete-backward-char'. But generally I would do > C-a C-k , just two more keystrokes. > Makes sense. This is an easy function to write -- just wanted to make sure there wasn't something that already does this out-of-the-box. > * It'd be nice of these rules could be applied to checkboxes as well >> > > M-S- inserts a check box. In general, I *believe* a lot of folks use lists and checkboxs in similar ways. I certainly do, and I frequently accidentally hit M- while editing a checkbox when I really intend to insert a new checkbox entry. As a result, it seems desirable to create an interface that treats them more similarly (e.g., using a single keypress to auto-insert a new entry). If this doesn't exist yet, I'd be happy to roll it myself. But it'd be nice to avoid re-inventing the wheel here if possible :)
[O] Emulating list functionality from traditional GUI editors
Hi all, I've been using org-mode for a while now, and it's been life-changing in terms of how I keep organized. However, there's still one thing I miss from traditional note-taking apps when working with lists. Specifically, I'd like to enable the following behavior: - If the cursor is at the end of a list item, then "Return" should insert a new list item (i.e., automatically perform org-meta-return) - If the cursor is at the beginning of an empty list item, then "Return" should outdent the list item (or remove it if it's already at the outer-most indentation level) - If the cursor is at the beginning of an empty list item, then "Backspace" should delete the list item and move my cursor to the end of the previous list item - It'd be nice of these rules could be applied to checkboxes as well What I'm describing is really just the default behavior around bulleted / numbered lists in other GUI editors (e.g., Google Docs, Gmail, OSX Notes, etc.). Are there options built in to org-mode that'd let me enable this? Best, Calvin
