Re: Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal
Hello everybody, On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, at 18:59, Tom Gillespie wrote: > I follow this list, I keep the community up to date with my work, > I have no idea where to look for other Org related dicussions, > nor frankly do I have time to look for them. I suspect I am not > alone in this. Just not to leave this be a wild guess or a lone data-point, I want to say that I’m exactly in the same case, and I really don’t want to bring up anything I do related to org-mode here because of this kind of backlash without which I feel really better. Too bad I guess, I’ll just try to communicate here and there through github issues as I’ve been doing until now. Regards, G -- Gerry Agbobada
Re: BNF grammar (was Concerns about community contributor support)
Hello, I just saw your message, and I wonder if there's an "official" channel to discuss these efforts. I have no experience in theoretical parsing/lexing, but I'm interested in learning and spending some time on externalizing org-mode parsing to make it actually available outside of Emacs. I have a bunch of questions like "how do you currently setup your test harness for that ?" "Do you know the current limitations of this model ?" and stuff like that. At least, I could try to use that BNF grammar with something like LPeg, to see if I can get a somehow working lua parser for org-mode (going for lua here because I'd prefer an easy-to-embed / small-runtime-dependency parsing helper basically) Seeing this was a great news for the day to me, so thanks :) Gerry Agbobada
Re: Emacs as an Org LSP server
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, at 21:23, Jean Louis wrote: > * TEC [2020-12-13 20:35]: > > > From a perspective that some server has to know what user is writing > > > it is advisable to use one own's servers. But if idea gets popular > > > some company will commercialize it and centralize user's data and > > > privacy is gone. > > > > FYI the nature of LSP (as I understand it) is that the "server" is a > > locally running service that responds to signals from a "client" (code > > editor / IDE). > > That is how it starts until corporation like Github or somebody else > takes it over. Just look at Github pattern. Git was decentralized > system that they centralized for 50 million developers and included > eye candies that one cannot self-host as one wants. > Hello, The "server" in Language Server Protocol is a program that answers to LSP requests that's all. It could just be a program written in a FOSS licence (like Palantir pyls https://github.com/palantir/python-language-server ) that needs to read the files on your computer in order to answer requests. Data (i.e your org files on your filesystem) does not need to be centralized for it to work. Git was eventually ""centralized"" by github because version control systems and software forges are based on sharing the data between multiple users, so someone can (and will) offer the tradeoff to make the sharing easier at the cost of privacy/freedom etc. LSP servers are just file indexers that implement a common protocol to make writing integrations easier. They are called servers because they are long running process listening to messages, but really everything could (and most of the time do) run offline, with file watches over your "project" and sockets for I/O with clients that run locally Gerry Agbobada
Re: official orgmode parser
Hello, On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, at 10:15, Bastien wrote: > > The example file would be also good to help users track for small > syntactic changes, when they happen. > > When I thought mistakenly I could use an EBNF parser to parse Org-mode, I wrote a little examples to get going (never went past headings as I'm not really good with parsing things) https://github.com/gagbo/LuaOrgParser/tree/master/tests/test-files/headings Maybe it could be used as a base. I wasn't really sure of how to handle test cases and creating good ones. Best regards, Gerry Agbobada
Re: official orgmode parser
Hi, I'm currently toying with the idea of trying a tree-sitter parser for Org. The very static nature of a shared object parser (knowing TODO keywords are pretty dynamic for example) is a challenge I'm not sure to overcome ; to be honest even without that I can't say I'll manage to do it. Having a tree-sitter parser would be really great in my opinion, at least it's a clearer way to "freeze" the syntax with some tests describing the syntax tree with S-expressions. And tree-sitter seems to be the popular sought after solution to slowness in parsing (and incremental parsing of org files would help with big files in my opinion) On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, at 09:58, Przemysław Kamiński wrote: > Hello, > > I oftentimes find myself needing to parse org files with some external > tools (to generate reports for customers or sum up clock times for given > month, etc). Looking through the list > > https://orgmode.org/worg/org-tools/ > > and having tested some of these, I must say they are lacking. The > Haskell ones seem to be done best, but then the compile overhead of > Haskell and difficulty in embedding this into other languages is a drawback. > > I think it might benefit the community when such an official parser > would exist (and maybe could be hooked into org mode directly). > > I was thinking picking some scheme like chicken or guile, which could be > later easily embedded into C or whatever. Then use that parser in org > mode itself. This way some important part of org mode would be outside > of the small world of elisp. > > This is just an idea, what do you think? :) > > Best, > Przemek > > Gerry Agbobada
Re: Status of syntax specification
> It would need proof reading, and comparing with "org-element.el", the > actual implementation of the syntax. Formalization may be better better, > too. I didn't know that there was a single point of entry to parse elements. I think my first step will be to try to write spec tests in elisp then. Hopefully I can cover most cases in the draft, and then see if org-element returns the tree that I expect for a cursor in various positions. Spec tests should use ERT too right ? If I try to write those, I might as well make them in a suitable way for integration in org-mode codebase. Thanks for the draft at least, it is a very helpful kickstart ! Gerry Agbobada
Status of syntax specification
Hello, I found on Worg a "draft" for org syntax description : https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html Do you think this paper marked as draft is good enough to use as a source to make a parser ? <https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html> I think it'd be nice to try to finalize this ; but I don't know who to contact to see how I can help if I know almost nothing about standards and technical writing. Best regards, Gerry Agbobada
[issue] Small typo in ox-html
There's a small typo in latest ox-html commits https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode/src/master/lisp/ox-html.el#L244 The "code-highlighted" string needs to keep the escaped ". It breaks otherwise. (exact commit : https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode/commit/68fa5e589f00c8d5b4f7f0dc70be6ebe59238bb8 ) I don't know any other way to convey this issue, sorry if it's not the correct way Thanks for org-mode, and have a good day ! Gerry AGBOBADA
