Re: [O] orgmode for many continuous tasks?
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 06:48:16AM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote: On Wednesday, 27 Sep 2017 at 13:24, Bob Newell wrote: [...] To further the concept: If TODOs had due dates/time estimates/time spent as perhaps additional properties, and there was a better way to express dependencies (I think there is already an org-mode adjunct for this), some coding could turn this into a Task Juggler input file. There is ox-taskjuggler in org-contrib... How do I learn about org-contrib and how to use it? Mycroft
Re: [O] orgmode for many continuous tasks?
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 07:14:25PM +0300, Melleus wrote: That's true. But the clipboard can't beep when you might have forgotten about some important appointment when shearing a sheep, driving a tractor or doing other interesting things... If you don't neeed the reminder functionality then the clipboard is the winner I should agree. If you had a days advance warning, the appointment should be in the printout on the clipboard. If it is an appointment that suddenly came up, you should write it on the clipboard. If you have an urgent appointment scheduled, you shouldn't be up on the roof or driving the tractor. :) Mycroft
Re: [O] orgmode for many continuous tasks?
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 01:30:35PM +0300, Melleus wrote: The answer is obvious: a clipboard! It's rugged and inexpensive. I've actually done this a few times, when I've been using Org to organize event management and was out of the office all day long. Printed out my daily agenda in the morning, made notes on the clipboard throughout the day, and entered changes into the computer at the end of day. Yes, I said the same to Peter in private email. And, if you print off your list, it gets depressing because it is SO long, longer than you could hope to accomplish in a day. That is why I'd like the algorithm to take into account the time budget, and only put on a number of things that add up to 8 hours. So, some items are done in 1/2 hour chunks, others in 2 hour chunks, all good. That way you have a daily task list and can feel good accomplishment if you clear up your list for the day. Maybe it's a bit overhead, but anyway. You can use org-caldav-sync to sync the todos with local owncloud (or other caldav) server and use some phone/tablet's calendar to sync with owncloud to have your tasklist with you on the run and you can use it for capturing todos also, as the two-way sync is no problem for org-caldav-sync. When you're up on a roof, or driving a tractor, or shearing a sheep, a cell phone can be destroyed very quickly. Last thing you need is it dropped into the mud and stepped on by a heavy ungulate. Clipboard is cheap, and you can always print out your list again. Getting in the habit of being away from the computer is good. Getting in the habit of reviewing the days events at the end of it is also good. Mycroft
Re: [O] orgmode for many continuous tasks?
Peter, it sounds like we have the same issues and need the same solution. House repairs and estate upgrades are on the menu. As are tasks at the Maker Space, building various bits of furniture &c Is there some sort of rugged tablet? Ok, here is what I have in mind: at the end of the day, put in org mode what you've done. Then it will try to "balance the tree" and create an ordered list of tasks for you. You can "defer" tasks, and if you give a reason, such as it needs to wait for a particular time or subtask, then that subtask goes right back in the tree to take part of the balancing. Then you print the list on paper, sorted from top priority to least. Then you carry the list around with you during the day. Does that sound good? I haven't yet found a tablet computer rugged enough to stand being dropped out of a tractor into the mud. Or stepped on by a cow. And I hate typing on them. Mycroft On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 07:58:02AM -0400, Peter Neilson wrote: On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 03:21:51 -0400, Mycroft Jones wrote: I'm wondering if org-mode can do this: I have many tasks. Some are one off. But many are tasks that will take a period of time, days, weeks, months. I need to schedule a bit of time every day. Over time I can complete the tasks by plugging away. But I have so many. Half hour chunks work for some tasks, 1 or 2 or 3 hour chunks work best for others. 1) writing 3 different books 2) learning 2 different languages 3) 2 different types of exercise exercise 4) 3 different ongoing tasks at work 5) watching videos that friends send me 6) reading books on my night stand 7) various one-off tasks 8) scheduled items, where I have to do them at a scheduled time. So, for each broad category of task, there are subtasks. So far, it looks like orgmode is good. But, what I'd like is to automatically generate scheduling suggestions for the day. For instance, if I've been putting too much time into languages, then schedule more time for writing the books. And if I've focused too much on one book, remind me to put time into another book. I'd like the scheduler to be a sort of time-accounting system that suggests work for the day in a way that balances the tree. Within each branch of the tree, I'd like the branches to be allocated roughly equal time, over a period of weeks and months, on a day to day basis. Is there a simple workflow in orgmode that can do this? I haven't done elisp for 10 years, but I'm comfortable with it. Would this be simple to implement? Mycroft Hmmm. I have similar problems, but on a somewhat more difficult level. A lot of my tasks are farm-related and are thus self-driven rather than org-mode-driven. For instance, two barn roofs need repair, and seeing them listed as TODO in an agenda does nothing to get started on them, or on the sub-tasks necessary to starting the work on the roofs. But when I look at the roofs, and thus am reminded of "* TODO Repair barn roofs", it's always when I'm already at work on something immediately more pressing. But it gets worse! If I think of a task that needs to be done, and write it into one of my TODO lists, then I tend to ignore it. Adding it to the schedule dismisses it from any immediate concern, and (as I alluded before) much of my work is outside, on the farm, nowhere near my computer. It's almost like Ko-Ko's solution in G&S's operetta 'The Mikado': Ko-Ko: When Your Majesty says "Let a thing be done", it’s as good as done, practically it is done, because Your Majesty’s will is law. Your Majesty says "Kill a gentleman", and the gentleman is to be killed, consequently that gentleman is as good as dead, practically he is dead, and if he is dead, why not say so? The Mikado: I see. [Dramatic Pause] Nothing could possibly be more...satisfactory! My problem with org mode itself thus becomes yet another action item (to be ignored): * TODO Devise a way to project my agenda (in unavoidable brilliance) onto the side of the barn, or perhaps embroider it into the fleece of my sheep (who * TODO need to be shorn). Plausible (or implausible) solutions to my problem or to Mycroft's are hereby solicited.
[O] orgmode for many continuous tasks?
I'm wondering if org-mode can do this: I have many tasks. Some are one off. But many are tasks that will take a period of time, days, weeks, months. I need to schedule a bit of time every day. Over time I can complete the tasks by plugging away. But I have so many. Half hour chunks work for some tasks, 1 or 2 or 3 hour chunks work best for others. 1) writing 3 different books 2) learning 2 different languages 3) 2 different types of exercise exercise 4) 3 different ongoing tasks at work 5) watching videos that friends send me 6) reading books on my night stand 7) various one-off tasks 8) scheduled items, where I have to do them at a scheduled time. So, for each broad category of task, there are subtasks. So far, it looks like orgmode is good. But, what I'd like is to automatically generate scheduling suggestions for the day. For instance, if I've been putting too much time into languages, then schedule more time for writing the books. And if I've focused too much on one book, remind me to put time into another book. I'd like the scheduler to be a sort of time-accounting system that suggests work for the day in a way that balances the tree. Within each branch of the tree, I'd like the branches to be allocated roughly equal time, over a period of weeks and months, on a day to day basis. Is there a simple workflow in orgmode that can do this? I haven't done elisp for 10 years, but I'm comfortable with it. Would this be simple to implement? Mycroft
