Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgwmuf-genee64ty+gs+fvcfc7...@public.gmane.org writes: Limitation: the effort is supposed to represent a big total or a daily amount (see property :CLOCK_MODELINE_TOTAL: today). Though, there is no such thing for a weekly limit. If you set CLOCK_MODELINE_TOTAL to repeat you can use any interval you like. Clock in and out of the task repeatedly until you hit your effort limit or are done then mark the task done and the total clocked time resets for the next period. I use this for my habit 'Update org-mode doc' task which repeats .+1w/1m Regards, Bernt
Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Hi list, Hi Marcin, say that I'd like to learn a new language or something. I'd like to devote, say, 180 minutes to it each week. Does anyone have an idea how to achieve something like that in Org-mode: * I create a task (say, Learn Italian) * I clock in/out when I start/stop doing this * I have a few other tasks like that * and somehow, org-magically, I can view a weekly report summarizing whether I spent too much or too little time on different projects. Is such a thing possible in Org-mode? I suspect that it might be doable, maybe with effort estimates and/or column view (which I don't use, but I can as well start using it), but it might also require some elisp hacking. Does anyone have a setup for something like this? Not exactly what you're looking for, but, there is org-drill[1] a « flashcards and spaced repetition » system that will optimize when to review items. [1] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-drill.html -- Daimrod/Greg pgp5Vm_wDduGZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Dnia 2013-03-16, o godz. 22:59:18 Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com napisał(a): Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Bastien b...@altern.org napisał(a): Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Is such a thing possible in Org-mode? Did you check (info (Org)Tracking your habits) ? As I mentioned (though only in the subject), yes. This is close, but my point is not I want to do this at least once each three days or something like this, but rather I want to spend at least 180 minutes every week on this - regardless of days. Of course, I could do it with the habits module (and if there's no other solution, I will do it like this), but what I'd like to have is actually a mixture of habits and effort estimates/clocking. No problem for that. - For the sake of facility, give a unique tag to your educational task - Clock to your task each time you work on it - Whenever you want to check whether you did work enough or not, launch the agenda view for the current week (`v w' in case you say the current day by default) - Ask for the display of the clock report (`C-u R') - Filter on your educational task Thanks, that is brilliant! It is /almost/ what I was looking for. (One thing that is missing might be fancy coloring, say red for things I devoted too little time to etc. I guess this might be actually implemented using properties and some hooks - I'll try to look into it some day.) Now I only need to automate it (which should be easy with custom agenda views, I guess.) Thanks! Have fun! Best regards, Seb Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Dnia 2013-03-17, o godz. 10:51:09 Daimrod daim...@gmail.com napisał(a): Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Hi list, Hi Marcin, say that I'd like to learn a new language or something. I'd like to devote, say, 180 minutes to it each week. Does anyone have an idea how to achieve something like that in Org-mode: * I create a task (say, Learn Italian) * I clock in/out when I start/stop doing this * I have a few other tasks like that * and somehow, org-magically, I can view a weekly report summarizing whether I spent too much or too little time on different projects. Is such a thing possible in Org-mode? I suspect that it might be doable, maybe with effort estimates and/or column view (which I don't use, but I can as well start using it), but it might also require some elisp hacking. Does anyone have a setup for something like this? Not exactly what you're looking for, but, there is org-drill[1] a « flashcards and spaced repetition » system that will optimize when to review items. [1] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-drill.html Thanks. My example was not very good - indeed, to learn Italian, your way would be better (and I say it as a long-time SuperMemo user, now waiting for some spare time to try out org-drill). But for other things (not necessarily connected with learning), I'd like just to (i) assign /at least/ some time a week to them and (ii) limit this time so that I don't spend /too much/ time on it. But thanks anyway! -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes:
As I mentioned (though only in the subject), yes. This is close, but
my point is not I want to do this at least once each three days or
something like this, but rather I want to spend at least 180 minutes
every week on this - regardless of days. Of course, I could do it
with the habits module (and if there's no other solution, I will do it
like this), but what I'd like to have is actually a mixture of habits
and effort estimates/clocking.
Maybe a dedicated subtree like this:
* Learn Tasks :learn:
:PROPERTIES:
:COLUMNS: %10ITEM %16SCHEDULED %5Effort{+} %5CLOCKSUM{+}
:END:
** Learn Italian
*** W11 [2013-03-17 So]
DEADLINE: 2013-03-17 So
:PROPERTIES:
:Effort: 3:00
:END:
STRT Task 1
SCHEDULED: 2013-03-11 Mo
:LOGBOOK:
CLOCK: [2013-03-16 Sa 13:12]--[2013-03-16 Sa 14:50] = 1:38
CLOCK: [2013-03-13 Mi 13:12]--[2013-03-13 Mi 14:12] = 1:00
- State STRT from TODO [2013-03-17 So 13:11]
CLOCK: [2013-03-12 Di 13:11]--[2013-03-12 Di 13:30] = 0:19
:END:
** Learn Elisp
*** W11 [2013-03-17 So]
DEADLINE: 2013-03-17 So
:PROPERTIES:
:Effort: 3:00
:END:
STRT Task 2
SCHEDULED: 2013-03-14 Do
:LOGBOOK:
- State STRT from TODO [2013-03-17 So 13:21]
CLOCK: [2013-03-16 Sa 13:12]--[2013-03-16 Sa 14:50] = 1:38
CLOCK: [2013-03-13 Mi 13:12]--[2013-03-13 Mi 14:12] = 1:00
- State STRT from TODO [2013-03-17 So 13:11]
CLOCK: [2013-03-12 Di 13:11]--[2013-03-12 Di 13:30] = 0:19
:END:
What it does:
- We have a tree `Learn Tasks' with tag `learn' (you use inheritance,
don't you?), plus a dedicated column view for it.
- Each subtask of that is a project like `Learn Italian'
- Each project has subtrees that represent your weekly units.
You can deadline them to sunday (with a special warning time if
wanted) so they will come up eventually in your agenda.
On this level, you can also set up your weekly time budget as
an effort.
- You can either clock the weekly units themselves or create
subtasks which represent real actions like `learn about defun'
which you can schedule (and reschedule) as you like e.g. each
morning.
At the end of the week, you go to your `Learn Tasks' Tree, expand it
as much as you want to and do a `C-c C-x C-c' to get an overview.
If you get rid of the `W11' part in the headlines of weekly units, you
can simply org-clone-subtree-with-timeshift the subtree for next week as
is.
hth
Memnon
Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Dnia 2013-03-16, o godz. 22:59:18 Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com napisał(a): Marcin Borkowski wrote: Bastien b...@altern.org napisał(a):' Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Is such a thing possible in Org-mode? Did you check (info (Org)Tracking your habits) ? As I mentioned (though only in the subject), yes. This is close, but my point is not I want to do this at least once each three days or something like this, but rather I want to spend at least 180 minutes every week on this - regardless of days. Of course, I could do it with the habits module (and if there's no other solution, I will do it like this), but what I'd like to have is actually a mixture of habits and effort estimates/clocking. No problem for that. - For the sake of facility, give a unique tag to your educational task - Clock to your task each time you work on it - Whenever you want to check whether you did work enough or not, launch the agenda view for the current week (`v w' in case you say the current day by default) - Ask for the display of the clock report (`C-u R') - Filter on your educational task Thanks, that is brilliant! It is /almost/ what I was looking for. (One thing that is missing might be fancy coloring, say red for things I devoted too little time to etc. I guess this might be actually implemented using properties and some hooks - I'll try to look into it some day.) Now I only need to automate it (which should be easy with custom agenda views, I guess.) Thanks! Automate it: yes, go for custom agenda view. Re: colors, one way is to put an effort on the task, and you'll see your consumption regarding that cut-off value; whenever you're above it, your clocked time becomes red. Limitation: the effort is supposed to represent a big total or a daily amount (see property :CLOCK_MODELINE_TOTAL: today). Though, there is no such thing for a weekly limit. Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
[O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Hi list, say that I'd like to learn a new language or something. I'd like to devote, say, 180 minutes to it each week. Does anyone have an idea how to achieve something like that in Org-mode: * I create a task (say, Learn Italian) * I clock in/out when I start/stop doing this * I have a few other tasks like that * and somehow, org-magically, I can view a weekly report summarizing whether I spent too much or too little time on different projects. Is such a thing possible in Org-mode? I suspect that it might be doable, maybe with effort estimates and/or column view (which I don't use, but I can as well start using it), but it might also require some elisp hacking. Does anyone have a setup for something like this? Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Is such a thing possible in Org-mode? Did you check (info (Org)Tracking your habits) ? HTH, -- Bastien
Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Dnia 2013-03-16, o godz. 19:23:21 Bastien b...@altern.org napisał(a): Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Is such a thing possible in Org-mode? Did you check (info (Org)Tracking your habits) ? As I mentioned (though only in the subject), yes. This is close, but my point is not I want to do this at least once each three days or something like this, but rather I want to spend at least 180 minutes every week on this - regardless of days. Of course, I could do it with the habits module (and if there's no other solution, I will do it like this), but what I'd like to have is actually a mixture of habits and effort estimates/clocking. HTH, Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: As I mentioned (though only in the subject), yes. This is close, but my point is not I want to do this at least once each three days or something like this, but rather I want to spend at least 180 minutes every week on this - regardless of days. Of course, I could do it with the habits module (and if there's no other solution, I will do it like this), but what I'd like to have is actually a mixture of habits and effort estimates/clocking. Ah, okay. This is not possible for now but maybe you can hack something. -- Bastien
Re: [O] A mix of habits and effort estimates?
Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Bastien b...@altern.org napisał(a): Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Is such a thing possible in Org-mode? Did you check (info (Org)Tracking your habits) ? As I mentioned (though only in the subject), yes. This is close, but my point is not I want to do this at least once each three days or something like this, but rather I want to spend at least 180 minutes every week on this - regardless of days. Of course, I could do it with the habits module (and if there's no other solution, I will do it like this), but what I'd like to have is actually a mixture of habits and effort estimates/clocking. No problem for that. - For the sake of facility, give a unique tag to your educational task - Clock to your task each time you work on it - Whenever you want to check whether you did work enough or not, launch the agenda view for the current week (`v w' in case you say the current day by default) - Ask for the display of the clock report (`C-u R') - Filter on your educational task Have fun! Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
