Re: [O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[Robert Love]

I just looked on YouTube and didn’t find anything.

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Kaushal Modi  wrote:
> 
> Actually it will be even more awesome if you can record a short video/GIF 
> screencast demonstrating what hyperbole does compared to org mode. Or in 
> general how you would use hyperbole.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:52 AM Adam Porter  > wrote:
> Charles Philip Chan > writes:
> 
> > Wow, blast from the past. I remember using older versions of Hyperbole
> > fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to
> > using it. :-)
> 
> Charles, could you explain a little bit how it compares to Org?  I read
> the thread on /r/emacs and looked at the wiki, but I'm still not sure
> how it compares to or complements Org.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaushal Modi
> 

Re: [O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[Kaushal Modi]

Thanks for the detailed reply, Aditya.

，"aditya siram" 
>
> Hyperbole, even though it is old, feels like it is in its second infancy
> meaning it is open to change based on community feedback. As a practical
> note, once you install it doing C-h h d d will fire up a nice Demo which I
> is think is more fun than watching a screencast.
>
> -deech
>
> --

Kaushal Modi

Re: [O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[tumashu]

great comment

在 2016-07-30 00:25:12，"aditya siram"  写道：

I never used Hyperbole back in the day so this is all fresh for me. I am also 
an avid org-mode user. The following feedback is based on about 48 hours of 
usage.


Hyperbole is a suite of tools. One of them is an outliner that overlaps quite a 
bit with org-mode. It has some interesting features like being able to link 
individual paragraphs as opposed to just headings/sub-headings but in most 
cases org-mode is further along.

But there are other tools in Hyperbole that might interest you including 
Acme-like string execution. For example if you do M-RET on the word README it 
automatically jumps to README without having to go through the rigamarole or 
creating a link in org-mode.


One of the nicest things about Hyperbole is that it's available everywhere. 
Org-mode is a mode and its features are only available in *.org files. For 
instance if you dropped into `eshell` or `ansi-term` and did `ls`, you can move 
point to any of the directory's contents, do M-RET (or Shift-Button2) and jump 
to that file. And that's just one example. Note that this means that all 
Hyperbole functionality is available in *.org files as well. To me, except for 
the Hyperbole outliner, that makes complementary not conflicting. It's 
Hyperbole *and* org-mode, not Hyperbole vs. org-mode.



Additionally, off the bat, I found it very well documented and for me that's a 
proxy for the quality of a package and the maintainer, Robert Weiner is quite 
responsive and really seems to want Hyperbole to take off. There's plenty more 
functionality that I haven't uncovered yet but due to ease of installation and 
quality of documentation digging into it is actually fun; much more 
discoverable than org-mode which has become this giant bag of random directives.


Hyperbole, even though it is old, feels like it is in its second infancy 
meaning it is open to change based on community feedback. As a practical note, 
once you install it doing C-h h d d will fire up a nice Demo which I is think 
is more fun than watching a screencast.


-deech




On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Kaushal Modi  wrote:

Actually it will be even more awesome if you can record a short video/GIF 
screencast demonstrating what hyperbole does compared to org mode. Or in 
general how you would use hyperbole.


Thanks.


On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:52 AM Adam Porter  wrote:

Charles Philip Chan  writes:

> Wow, blast from the past. I remember using older versions of Hyperbole
> fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to
> using it. :-)

Charles, could you explain a little bit how it compares to Org?  I read
the thread on /r/emacs and looked at the wiki, but I'm still not sure
how it compares to or complements Org.



--


Kaushal Modi

Re: [O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[Nick Dokos]

Peter Davis  writes:

> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016, at 01:16 PM, Charles Philip Chan wrote:
>> Robert Weiner  writes:
>> 
>> > GNU Hyperbole (pronounced Ga-new Hi-per-bo-lee), or just Hyperbole, is
>> > an amazing programmable hypertextual information management system
>> > implemented as a GNU Emacs package.  This is the first public release
>> > in 2016.
>> 
>> Wow, blast from the past. I remember using older versions of Hyperbole
>> fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to
>> using it. :-)
>
> Yes, I remember using Hyperbole years ago, and trying unsuccessfully to
> resurrect it several times in recent years. I'm very glad to see it
> again!
>

Me too: I last used it about 20 years ago I think. It then went dormant
afaik and building the version I had saved became harder with every
subsequent emacs release; finally I abandoned it - and a few years later
stumbled onto org-mode!  But it was the first hyperlink system I used
and I have always had a soft spot for it. I just installed it and am
trying it out again. Good to have it back!

-- 
Nick

Re: [O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[Peter Davis]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016, at 01:16 PM, Charles Philip Chan wrote:
> Robert Weiner  writes:
> 
> > GNU Hyperbole (pronounced Ga-new Hi-per-bo-lee), or just Hyperbole, is
> > an amazing programmable hypertextual information management system
> > implemented as a GNU Emacs package.  This is the first public release
> > in 2016.
> 
> Wow, blast from the past. I remember using older versions of Hyperbole
> fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to
> using it. :-)

Yes, I remember using Hyperbole years ago, and trying unsuccessfully to
resurrect it several times in recent years. I'm very glad to see it
again!

-pd

-- 
  Peter Davis
  www.techcurmudgeon.com

Re: [O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[aditya siram]

I never used Hyperbole back in the day so this is all fresh for me. I am
also an avid org-mode user. The following feedback is based on about 48
hours of usage.

Hyperbole is a suite of tools. One of them is an outliner that overlaps
quite a bit with org-mode. It has some interesting features like being able
to link individual paragraphs as opposed to just headings/sub-headings but
in most cases org-mode is further along.

But there are other tools in Hyperbole that might interest you including
Acme-like string execution. For example if you do M-RET on the word README
it automatically jumps to README without having to go through the
rigamarole or creating a link in org-mode.

One of the nicest things about Hyperbole is that it's available everywhere.
Org-mode is a mode and its features are only available in *.org files. For
instance if you dropped into `eshell` or `ansi-term` and did `ls`, you can
move point to any of the directory's contents, do M-RET (or Shift-Button2)
and jump to that file. And that's just one example. Note that this means
that all Hyperbole functionality is available in *.org files as well. To
me, except for the Hyperbole outliner, that makes complementary not
conflicting. It's Hyperbole *and* org-mode, not Hyperbole vs. org-mode.

Additionally, off the bat, I found it very well documented and for me
that's a proxy for the quality of a package and the maintainer, Robert
Weiner is quite responsive and really seems to want Hyperbole to take off.
There's plenty more functionality that I haven't uncovered yet but due to
ease of installation and quality of documentation digging into it is
actually fun; much more discoverable than org-mode which has become this
giant bag of random directives.

Hyperbole, even though it is old, feels like it is in its second infancy
meaning it is open to change based on community feedback. As a practical
note, once you install it doing C-h h d d will fire up a nice Demo which I
is think is more fun than watching a screencast.

-deech


On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Kaushal Modi 
wrote:

> Actually it will be even more awesome if you can record a short video/GIF
> screencast demonstrating what hyperbole does compared to org mode. Or in
> general how you would use hyperbole.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:52 AM Adam Porter  wrote:
>
>> Charles Philip Chan  writes:
>>
>> > Wow, blast from the past. I remember using older versions of Hyperbole
>> > fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to
>> > using it. :-)
>>
>> Charles, could you explain a little bit how it compares to Org?  I read
>> the thread on /r/emacs and looked at the wiki, but I'm still not sure
>> how it compares to or complements Org.
>>
>>
>> --
>
> Kaushal Modi
>

Re: [O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[Adam Porter]

Charles Philip Chan  writes:

> Robert Weiner  writes:
>
>> GNU Hyperbole (pronounced Ga-new Hi-per-bo-lee), or just Hyperbole, is
>> an amazing programmable hypertextual information management system
>> implemented as a GNU Emacs package.  This is the first public release
>> in 2016.
>
> Wow, blast from the past. I remember using older versions of Hyperbole
> fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to
> using it. :-)

Charles, could you explain a little bit how it compares to Org?  I read
the thread on /r/emacs and looked at the wiki, but I'm still not sure
how it compares to or complements Org.

Re: [O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[Kaushal Modi]

Actually it will be even more awesome if you can record a short video/GIF
screencast demonstrating what hyperbole does compared to org mode. Or in
general how you would use hyperbole.

Thanks.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:52 AM Adam Porter  wrote:

> Charles Philip Chan  writes:
>
> > Wow, blast from the past. I remember using older versions of Hyperbole
> > fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to
> > using it. :-)
>
> Charles, could you explain a little bit how it compares to Org?  I read
> the thread on /r/emacs and looked at the wiki, but I'm still not sure
> how it compares to or complements Org.
>
>
> --

Kaushal Modi

Re: [O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[Charles Philip Chan]

Robert Weiner  writes:

> GNU Hyperbole (pronounced Ga-new Hi-per-bo-lee), or just Hyperbole, is
> an amazing programmable hypertextual information management system
> implemented as a GNU Emacs package.  This is the first public release
> in 2016.

Wow, blast from the past. I remember using older versions of Hyperbole
fondly and still miss it. Thank you for updating it. I look forward to
using it. :-)

Charles

-- 
"Are [Linux users] lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of
reliable, well-engineered commercial software?"
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[O] ANNOUNCE: GNU Hyperbole 6.0.1 for Emacs 24.4 - 25 is released

[Robert Weiner]

GNU Hyperbole (pronounced Ga-new Hi-per-bo-lee), or just Hyperbole, is an
amazing programmable hypertextual information management system implemented as
a GNU Emacs package.  This is the first public release in 2016.  Hyperbole has
been greatly expanded and modernized for use with the latest Emacs 25
releases; it supports GNU Emacs 24.4 or above.  It contains an extensive set
of improvements that can greatly boost your day-to-day productivity with Emacs
and your ability to manage information stored across many different machines
on the internet.  People who get used to Hyperbole find it helps them so much
that they prefer never to use Emacs without it.

Hyperbole includes easy-to-use, powerful hypertextual button types and links
that can be made without the need to learn a markup language.  without the need
to learn a markup language.  It also includes a hierarchical, record-based
contact manager, a rapid window and frame control system and a powerful
multi-level auto-numbered outliner.  All features are aimed at making textual
information management and display fast and easy.

Hyperbole embeds hypertext buttons within unstructured and structured files,
mail messages and news articles.  It offers intuitive keyboard and mouse-based
control of information display within multiple windows.  It also provides
point-and-click access to World-Wide Web URLs, Info manuals, ftp archives, etc.

The Hyperbole wiki page, "https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Hyperbole;, explains
the many ways it differs from and is complementary to Org mode.

Instructions follow on how to download, install and utilize GNU Hyperbole as an
Emacs package.  These are followed by What's New with Hyperbole in 2016.

Bob Weiner designed and programmed GNU Hyperbole. He and Mats Lidell maintain
it for the Free Software Foundation.  It includes an interactive demo to
introduce you to its features and a detailed reference manual.

===
*  About
===

GNU Hyperbole consists of five parts:

* Buttons and Smart Keys
 a set of hyperbutton types which supply core hypertext and other
 behaviors.  Buttons may be added to documents (explicit buttons)
 with a simple drag between windows, no markup language needed.
 Implicit buttons are patterns automatically recognized within text
 that perform actions, e.g.  bug#24568 displays the bug status
 information for that bug number.

 Buttons are accessed by clicking on them or referenced by name
 (global buttons), so they can be activated regardless of what is on
 screen.  Users can make simple changes to button types.  Emacs Lisp
 programmers can prototype and deliver new types quickly.

 Hyperbole includes two special `Smart Keys', the Action Key and the
 Assist Key, that perform an extensive array of context-sensitive
 operations across emacs usage, including activating and showing
 help for Hyperbole buttons.  In many popular Emacs modes, they
 allow you to perform common, sometimes complex operations without
 having to a different key for each operation.  Just press a Smart
 Key and the right thing happens;

* Contact and Text Finder
 an interactive, textual information management interface,
 including fast, flexible file and text finding commands.  A
 powerful, hierarchical contact manager, HyRolo, which anyone can
 use, is also included.  It is easy to learn since it introduces
 only a few new mechanisms and has a menu interface, which may be
 operated from the keyboard or the mouse;

* Screen Control
 the fastest, easiest-to-use window and frame control available for
 GNU Emacs, called HyControl.  With just a few keystrokes, you can
 shift from increasing a window's height by 5 lines to moving a
 frame by 220 pixels or immediately moving it to a screen corner.
 Text in each window or frame may be enlarged or shrunk (zoomed) for
 easy viewing, plus many other features;

* Hypertextual Outliner
 an advanced outliner, the Koutliner, with multi-level
 autonumbering and permanent identifiers attached to each outline
 node for use as hypertext link anchors, per node properties and
 flexible view specifications that can be embedded within links or
 used interactively;

* Programming Library
 a set of programming libraries, for system developers who want to
 integrate Hyperbole with another user interface or as a back-end
 to a distinct system.  (All of Hyperbole is written in Emacs Lisp
 for ease of modification.  It has been engineered for real-world
 usage and is well structured).

The GNU Hyperbole project home page gives a more extensive description:
"https://www.gnu.org/software/hyperbole/;.

===
*