Re: [O] Behavior of `org-show-entry'

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Nicolas Goaziou  writes:

> Hello,
>
> Kyle Meyer  writes:
>
>> Hmm, for the reason I gave above, I don't think org-show-entry should
>> change, but perhaps there should be a separate function that does
>>
>> (org-show-entry)
>> (org-with-limited-levels (org-show-children))
>>
>> which is what org-cycle does for the second state listed in its
>> docstring.  Or maybe there is a better way to accomplish this that I
>> don't know about.
>
> See `org-show-context' and `org-reveal'.

Thanks to you both -- I'll bring this up with the Helm people.

Eric

Re: [O] Behavior of `org-show-entry'

[Kyle Meyer]

Nicolas Goaziou  writes:

> Kyle Meyer  writes:
>
>> Hmm, for the reason I gave above, I don't think org-show-entry should
>> change, but perhaps there should be a separate function that does
>>
>> (org-show-entry)
>> (org-with-limited-levels (org-show-children))
>>
>> which is what org-cycle does for the second state listed in its
>> docstring.  Or maybe there is a better way to accomplish this that I
>> don't know about.
>
> See `org-show-context' and `org-reveal'.

Sadly, I had already seen these, and I still answered what I did :)

It seems like, with the default value of org-show-context-detail,
(org-show-context 'agenda) will show the desired view of

* a


a body

** aa...
* b

So, do you recommend that, assuming helm wants this view after jumping
to a heading, it calls (org-show-set-visibility 'local)?  Or should it
use its own key, something like (org-show-context 'helm), so that users
can customize the key in org-show-context-detail?  Or something else?

Thanks.

-- 
Kyle

Re: [O] Behavior of `org-show-entry'

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Kyle Meyer  writes:

> Hmm, for the reason I gave above, I don't think org-show-entry should
> change, but perhaps there should be a separate function that does
>
> (org-show-entry)
> (org-with-limited-levels (org-show-children))
>
> which is what org-cycle does for the second state listed in its
> docstring.  Or maybe there is a better way to accomplish this that I
> don't know about.

See `org-show-context' and `org-reveal'.

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: [O] Behavior of `org-show-entry'

[Kyle Meyer]

Eric Abrahamsen  writes:

> Kyle Meyer  writes:

[...]

>> Based on how org-show-entry calls it, outline-flag-region shows the text
>> from the current heading to the next.  So it seems to behave as
>> documented: "[s]how the body directly following this heading".
>
> Okay, but I still don't see how this would ever be the desired result.
> You can't get to *any* next visibility state without first wasting a
> .

Yeah, fair enough.  I can't think of a situation where I would desire
that result either.  But I think org-show-entry probably should behave
this way to be consistent with outline-show-entry.

>>> Which part of this should be tweaked to achieve the desired effect?
>>
>> Perhaps helm could call org-show-children after it calls org-show-entry.
>
> Okay, cool. I guess my main question was: should this be fixed in helm,
> or in org? I'll try clobbering the helm functions for a while and see
> how that goes, then raise this on the helm list.

Hmm, for the reason I gave above, I don't think org-show-entry should
change, but perhaps there should be a separate function that does

(org-show-entry)
(org-with-limited-levels (org-show-children))

which is what org-cycle does for the second state listed in its
docstring.  Or maybe there is a better way to accomplish this that I
don't know about.

-- 
Kyle

Re: [O] Behavior of `org-show-entry'

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Kyle Meyer  writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen  writes:
>
>> I do a lot of my Org navigation with `helm-org-in-buffer-headings' and
>> `helm-org-agenda-files-headings', which prompt you for an org heading,
>> then take you there.
>>
>> I'm always annoyed that, once you're at the heading, it leaves it in
>> a half-open state where you can see the immediate text of the target
>> entry, but all of its child entries are replaced by an ellipses.
>>
>> * Target Heading
>>   Drawers and text
>>   ... # ellipses instead of child headings
>> * Next Heading
>>
>> You then have to hit  twice to see the children.
>>
>> The helm commands end by calling `org-show-entry', which first does
>> this:
>>
>> (outline-flag-region
>>  (max (point-min) (1- (point)))
>>  (save-excursion
>>(if (re-search-forward
>>  (concat "[\r\n]\\(" org-outline-regexp "\\)") nil t)
>>(match-beginning 1)
>>  (point-max)))
>>   nil)
>>
>> Which leaves the heading in the state described above, and then does
>> this:
>>
>> (org-cycle-hide-drawers 'children)
>>
>> Which has no effect.
>>
>> I'm not really sure what the purpose of `outline-flag-region' is, but
>> I'm pretty sure this isn't the desired effect.
>
> Based on how org-show-entry calls it, outline-flag-region shows the text
> from the current heading to the next.  So it seems to behave as
> documented: "[s]how the body directly following this heading".

Okay, but I still don't see how this would ever be the desired result.
You can't get to *any* next visibility state without first wasting a
.

>> The call to `org-cycle-hide-drawers' should reveal children, isn't
>> that right?
>
> The purpose isn't to reveal the child headings (I don't understand why
> the argument is called "children"), but to hide the drawers.

Weird! But thank you for doing the thinking I was apparently too lazy to
do :)

[...]

>> Which part of this should be tweaked to achieve the desired effect?
>
> Perhaps helm could call org-show-children after it calls org-show-entry.

Okay, cool. I guess my main question was: should this be fixed in helm,
or in org? I'll try clobbering the helm functions for a while and see
how that goes, then raise this on the helm list.

Thanks for your help,
Eric

Re: [O] Behavior of `org-show-entry'

[Kyle Meyer]

Eric Abrahamsen  writes:

> I do a lot of my Org navigation with `helm-org-in-buffer-headings' and
> `helm-org-agenda-files-headings', which prompt you for an org heading,
> then take you there.
>
> I'm always annoyed that, once you're at the heading, it leaves it in
> a half-open state where you can see the immediate text of the target
> entry, but all of its child entries are replaced by an ellipses.
>
> * Target Heading
>   Drawers and text
>   ... # ellipses instead of child headings
> * Next Heading
>
> You then have to hit  twice to see the children.
>
> The helm commands end by calling `org-show-entry', which first does
> this:
>
> (outline-flag-region
>  (max (point-min) (1- (point)))
>  (save-excursion
>(if (re-search-forward
>   (concat "[\r\n]\\(" org-outline-regexp "\\)") nil t)
>(match-beginning 1)
>  (point-max)))
>   nil)
>
> Which leaves the heading in the state described above, and then does
> this:
>
> (org-cycle-hide-drawers 'children)
>
> Which has no effect.
>
> I'm not really sure what the purpose of `outline-flag-region' is, but
> I'm pretty sure this isn't the desired effect.

Based on how org-show-entry calls it, outline-flag-region shows the text
from the current heading to the next.  So it seems to behave as
documented: "[s]how the body directly following this heading".

> The call to `org-cycle-hide-drawers' should reveal children, isn't
> that right?

The purpose isn't to reveal the child headings (I don't understand why
the argument is called "children"), but to hide the drawers.

Without the org-cycle-hide-drawers call, org-show-entry would expand

* TODO blah...

to

* TODO blah
SCHEDULED: <2017-02-12 Sun .+1w>
:PROPERTIES:
:LAST_REPEAT: [2017-02-05 Sun 16:31]
:END:
:LOGBOOK:
- State "DONE"   from "TODO"   [2017-02-05 Sun 16:31]
:END:

instead of

* TODO blah
SCHEDULED: <2017-02-12 Sun .+1w>
:PROPERTIES:...
:LOGBOOK:...

> Which part of this should be tweaked to achieve the desired effect?

Perhaps helm could call org-show-children after it calls org-show-entry.

-- 
Kyle

[O] Behavior of `org-show-entry'

[Eric Abrahamsen]

I do a lot of my Org navigation with `helm-org-in-buffer-headings' and
`helm-org-agenda-files-headings', which prompt you for an org heading,
then take you there.

I'm always annoyed that, once you're at the heading, it leaves it in
a half-open state where you can see the immediate text of the target
entry, but all of its child entries are replaced by an ellipses.

* Target Heading
  Drawers and text
  ... # ellipses instead of child headings
* Next Heading

You then have to hit  twice to see the children.

The helm commands end by calling `org-show-entry', which first does
this:

(outline-flag-region
 (max (point-min) (1- (point)))
 (save-excursion
   (if (re-search-forward
(concat "[\r\n]\\(" org-outline-regexp "\\)") nil t)
   (match-beginning 1)
 (point-max)))
  nil)

Which leaves the heading in the state described above, and then does
this:

(org-cycle-hide-drawers 'children)

Which has no effect.

I'm not really sure what the purpose of `outline-flag-region' is, but
I'm pretty sure this isn't the desired effect. The call to
`org-cycle-hide-drawers' should reveal children, isn't that right?

Which part of this should be tweaked to achieve the desired effect?

Thanks!
Eric