[O] Exporting a presentation to both slides and handouts?

2012-03-15 Thread Alan Schmitt 
Hello,

I'm finishing a presentation with org-mode which is exported as beamer slides. 
I would like to also export it as a handouts, which basically means changing a 
couple lines in the preamble. Is there a way to do it from the org-mode file, 
or do I need to edit the generated LaTeX manually?

(If the solution is to have some lines that specify the options and the name of 
the exported LaTeX file commented out, it would work fine with me.)

Thanks,

Alan

Re: [O] Exporting a presentation to both slides and handouts?

2012-03-15 Thread Jacek Generowicz 
At Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:14:00 +0100,
Alan Schmitt wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I'm finishing a presentation with org-mode which is exported as
 beamer slides. I would like to also export it as a handouts, which
 basically means changing a couple lines in the preamble.

On a related note, I'm looking to produce both slides (sparse) and
notes (dense) from a single org file. (Something akin to S5's handout
class, though I would be happy for the slides and notes to be
completely separate products, as long as their contents are extracted
from the same org source).

Any hints on org mode goodies which can help with this sort of thing?

Re: [O] Exporting a presentation to both slides and handouts?

2012-03-15 Thread John Hendy 
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Jacek Generowicz
jacek.generow...@cern.ch wrote:
 At Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:14:00 +0100,
 Alan Schmitt wrote:

 Hello,

 I'm finishing a presentation with org-mode which is exported as
 beamer slides. I would like to also export it as a handouts, which
 basically means changing a couple lines in the preamble.

 On a related note, I'm looking to produce both slides (sparse) and
 notes (dense) from a single org file. (Something akin to S5's handout
 class, though I would be happy for the slides and notes to be
 completely separate products, as long as their contents are extracted
 from the same org source).

 Any hints on org mode goodies which can help with this sort of thing?


So are you just looking for something to automate this? It seems that
the generation of the beamer slides themselves are the hard part and,
as you say, it would be pretty easy to tweak the resultant .tex file
to give you handouts. Would that work?

You can add LaTeX class options to org-mode, and so you could export
once for the beamer presentation and then export again with the
handout class option added?

#+latex_class_options: [handout]

which produces:

\documentclass[handout]{beamer}

in the resultant file.

I haven't made handouts before, but this email got me interested. It
seems that all this option does is flatten the transitions and
overlays and whatnot? From there it seems one still needs to do
something to the file to layout the handouts n-up on a page.

So... if you don't have overlays, perhaps you don't need to do
anything to the presentation at all.

Just use a new document to layout the handouts how you want? I also
stumbled upon pdfjam, which looks like it aims to accomplish this step
more easily: 
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/statistics/staff/academic-research/firth/software/pdfjam

They have this example:
---
A useful application of pdfjam is for producing a handout from a file
of presentation slides. For slides made with the standard 4:3 aspect
ratio a nice 6-up handout on A4 paper can be made by

  pdfjam --nup 2x3 --frame true --noautoscale false --delta 0.2cm 0.3cm \
 --scale 0.95 myslides.pdf --outfile myhandout.pdf
---

Good luck!
John

Re: [O] Exporting a presentation to both slides and handouts?

2012-03-15 Thread Alan Schmitt 
On 15 mars 2012, at 14:26, John Hendy wrote:

 So are you just looking for something to automate this? It seems that
 the generation of the beamer slides themselves are the hard part and,
 as you say, it would be pretty easy to tweak the resultant .tex file
 to give you handouts. Would that work?

Yes, this is what I'm currently doing. More precisely, I
- copy the tex file to another name
- edit the prelude

 You can add LaTeX class options to org-mode, and so you could export
 once for the beamer presentation and then export again with the
 handout class option added?
 
 #+latex_class_options: [handout]
 
 which produces:
 
 \documentclass[handout]{beamer}
 
 in the resultant file.

Yes. When I don't want it anymore, I can remove it. But I'd rather keep it for 
next time. Is there a way to comment out a local setup line? (Add an extra '#' 
at the beginning?)

 I haven't made handouts before, but this email got me interested. It
 seems that all this option does is flatten the transitions and
 overlays and whatnot? From there it seems one still needs to do
 something to the file to layout the handouts n-up on a page.

Yes, what I'm doing is this (using a package described here 
http://www.guidodiepen.nl/2009/07/creating-latex-beamer-handouts-with-notes/):

#+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage{handoutWithNotes}
#+LaTeX_HEADER: \pgfpagesuselayout{3 on 1 with notes}[a4paper,border shrink=5mm]
#+LaTeX_HEADER: \renewcommand\pgfsetupphysicalpagesizes{%
#+LaTeX_HEADER: 
\pdfpagewidth\pgfphysicalwidth\pdfpageheight\pgfphysicalheight%
#+LaTeX_HEADER: }

(The last 3 lines are for xelatex compatibility.)


 Just use a new document to layout the handouts how you want? I also
 stumbled upon pdfjam, which looks like it aims to accomplish this step
 more easily: 
 http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/statistics/staff/academic-research/firth/software/pdfjam
 
 They have this example:
 ---
 A useful application of pdfjam is for producing a handout from a file
 of presentation slides. For slides made with the standard 4:3 aspect
 ratio a nice 6-up handout on A4 paper can be made by
 
  pdfjam --nup 2x3 --frame true --noautoscale false --delta 0.2cm 0.3cm \
 --scale 0.95 myslides.pdf --outfile myhandout.pdf
 ---

Thanks for the suggestion. I could use that as well indeed.

Alan

Re: [O] Exporting a presentation to both slides and handouts?

2012-03-15 Thread Jacek Generowicz 
At Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:26:13 -0500,
John Hendy wrote:
 
 On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:49 AM, Jacek Generowicz
 jacek.generow...@cern.ch wrote:
  At Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:14:00 +0100,
  Alan Schmitt wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  I'm finishing a presentation with org-mode which is exported as
  beamer slides. I would like to also export it as a handouts, which
  basically means changing a couple lines in the preamble.
 
  On a related note, I'm looking to produce both slides (sparse) and
  notes (dense) from a single org file. (Something akin to S5's handout
  class, though I would be happy for the slides and notes to be
  completely separate products, as long as their contents are extracted
  from the same org source).
 
  Any hints on org mode goodies which can help with this sort of thing?
 
 
 So are you just looking for something to automate this? It seems that
 the generation of the beamer slides themselves are the hard part and,
 as you say, it would be pretty easy to tweak the resultant .tex file
 to give you handouts. Would that work?
 
 You can add LaTeX class options to org-mode, and so you could export
 once for the beamer presentation and then export again with the
 handout class option added?
 
 #+latex_class_options: [handout]
 
 which produces:
 
 \documentclass[handout]{beamer}
 
 in the resultant file.
 
 I haven't made handouts before, but this email got me interested. It
 seems that all this option does is flatten the transitions and
 overlays and whatnot? From there it seems one still needs to do
 something to the file to layout the handouts n-up on a page.
 
 So... if you don't have overlays, perhaps you don't need to do
 anything to the presentation at all.
 
 Just use a new document to layout the handouts how you want? I also
 stumbled upon pdfjam, which looks like it aims to accomplish this step
 more easily: 
 http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/statistics/staff/academic-research/firth/software/pdfjam
 
 They have this example:
 ---
 A useful application of pdfjam is for producing a handout from a file
 of presentation slides. For slides made with the standard 4:3 aspect
 ratio a nice 6-up handout on A4 paper can be made by
 
   pdfjam --nup 2x3 --frame true --noautoscale false --delta 0.2cm 0.3cm \
  --scale 0.95 myslides.pdf --outfile myhandout.pdf
 ---

Although I (who wrote the followup to the OP) can't speak for Alan
(the OP), it seems that his requirement is different from mine. It
looks like you are addressing Alan's requirement.

Perhaps a few more words to explain what I'm after wouldn't go amiss.

When giving, talks, presentations, lectures, tutorials, etc. I would
like to have sparse slides, whose main purpose is to establish an
order for the talk (remind me what to say next), and to highlight the
key messages. They need to be easily legible from the back of the room
and should not drown the listeners in detail. By this very nature,
they are almost useless as a handout, because their information
content is visible. I want the handout to go into detail: it should
contain pretty much anything that I might say in the talk while any
given slide is being displayed, as well as anticipating any questions
that might be raised in relation to that slide. But the important
thing is that the slides an the handout belong together: they are the
same material, presented in (essentially) the same order, the only
difference being that the slides are a view from 1 ft, while the
handout is the real thing. You might think of the slides as the
highlights of the handout.

I've done this with S5 in the past, where it looks like this:

div class=slide
  h1Broad Topic/h1
  ul class=incremental
li My first point div class=handout A few additional words/div/li
li My second point
div class=handout
   My second point is a really involved one, so here I might
   write many paragraphs, explaining it in great detail.
/div
/li
li My third point, which doesn't need any further explanation/li
  /ul
  div class=handout
Some more stuff, which isn't directly pertinent to any of the
first three specific points, but pertains to the Broad Topic
discussed on this slide. Again, there might be many paragraphs or
even pages here, source code, graphs, bibliography, etc.
  /div
/div

Anything belonging to the handout class, will *not* be displayed on
the slides, everything else will appear on the slides.


In summary, what appears on the slides is entirely different from what
appears on the handout, (though the former might be a subset of the
latter), but the contents of both documents should be extracted from
the same flow of information in a single org file.

(Also, I'm not necessarily committed to LaTeX-based export options: I
am approximately equally interested in HTML-based ones too.)


If anybody has any experience with, or ideas about this sort of thing,
I'd love to hear them.

Re: [O] Exporting a presentation to both slides and handouts?

2012-03-15 Thread Alan Schmitt 
On 15 mars 2012, at 15:11, Jacek Generowicz wrote:

 Anything belonging to the handout class, will *not* be displayed on
 the slides, everything else will appear on the slides.

Could you play with export tags?
http://orgmode.org/manual/Selective-export.html#Selective-export

Then setting the ~org-export-select-tags~ or ~org-export-exclude-tags~ could 
get you selective export (for instance, excluding the ~handout~ tag when 
exporting slides).

(I would want the same thing for local setup lines, the one that start with 
~#+~ …)

Alan

Re: [O] Exporting a presentation to both slides and handouts?

2012-03-15 Thread Sebastien Vauban 
Hi Jacek,

Jacek Generowicz wrote:
 When giving, talks, presentations, lectures, tutorials, etc. I would
 like to have sparse slides, whose main purpose is to establish an
 order for the talk (remind me what to say next), and to highlight the
 key messages. They need to be easily legible from the back of the room
 and should not drown the listeners in detail. By this very nature,
 they are almost useless as a handout, because their information
 content is visible. I want the handout to go into detail: it should
 contain pretty much anything that I might say in the talk while any
 given slide is being displayed, as well as anticipating any questions
 that might be raised in relation to that slide. But the important
 thing is that the slides an the handout belong together: they are the
 same material, presented in (essentially) the same order, the only
 difference being that the slides are a view from 1 ft, while the
 handout is the real thing. You might think of the slides as the
 highlights of the handout.

Did you look at the Notes?

See 12.6.6 Beamer class export of
http://www.bookshelf.jp/texi/org/org_12.html#SEC197, and the possility to use
C-c C-b n/N (with heading ignored or not).

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sebastien Vauban