Re: [O] How to estimate effort by week?
Christoph LANGE writes: > Hi Bernt, > > thanks a lot for your advice. Sorry, but it took some time until I > found the time for trying it. I think I understood how it works. > Below I just have some minor questions. Hi Christoph, The delay is not a problem at all. > > 2011-11-19 16:32 Bernt Hansen: >> Is this to help limit you to that time per week or for estimating? > > Indeed I was interested in limiting the time that I spend on some task. > >> For limiting you can set up something like this: >> >> --8<---cut here---start->8--- >> * STARTED Some task > ^^^ > > OK, so this example uses another TOOD keyword, which I haven't had > before. I understand that your example also works without introducing > a new state, but I'm not yet sure what TODO states I need to use this > feature most efficiently. See below for a more specific question > about that. Yes, I use STARTED as a todo keyword and it gets automatically set when I clock in the task. My setup details are at http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html in case you want all the gory details. > >> SCHEDULED:<2011-11-21 Mon +1w> >> :LOGBOOK: >> - State "DONE" from "STARTED"[2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] > > If I understand correctly, this mainly follows the habit tracking > documented on the info page "Tracking your habits" – right? > No this isn't a habit because it doesn't have a STYLE property. It's just a regular repeating todo task. A habit needs a repeater and a STYLE property with a value of 'habit'. >> CLOCK: [2011-11-19 Sat 10:25]--[2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] => 0:02 >> CLOCK: [2011-11-19 Sat 09:28]--[2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] => 0:59 >> :END: >> :PROPERTIES: >> :Effort: 1:00 >> :LAST_REPEAT: [2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] >> :END: >> Limit work to 60 minutes per week >> Let it repeat for next week >> --8<---cut here---end--->8--- >> >> where the task repeats at some interval (weekly since you want to work >> up to 1 hour per week on this task). When you clock in the task the >> modeline shows your current clocked minutes on the task _since your last >> repeat_. > > OK, that's basically what I wanted to achieve, and it's very nice that > the clocked minutes are also shown in a warning face here when I > exceed the limit. It works for me :) > >> Set your Effort property to the limit you want for the task for the >> interval and set your repeat to the size of your interval (1 hour per >> week in this case) >> >> So when you reach the limit of 1 hour (in this case) you mark the task >> DONE which stops the clock and rescheduled the task to the next repeat >> date. > > More realistically I won't do that after one hour, but continue > working on that task (with a guilty conscience), and then mark it DONE > around the end of the week ;-) I don't always stop when I go over either - but my clocked time is shown with a bright red background I can't miss on the modeline and everytime I clock in the task (ie capture something clocks in the capture task and returns to this overrun task) my siren sound is played so it's very obvious. > > OK, I see that marking such a task as DONE does not actually leave it > in the DONE state but takes it back to the first TODO state. When you mark a TODO task DONE (or CANCELLED or any other done-state keyword it cycles back to TODO or to a specific state you specify in a property REPEAT_TO_STATE) > So far I had the TODO sequence "TODO DELEGATED | DONE CANCELLED" and > tried to extend it to "TODO DELEGATED STARTED | DONE CANCELLED", but > that would take my repeating task back to "TODO" instead of "STARTED" > after marking it DONE. I think a separate sequence of states would > make more sense; maybe "STARTED | RESTARTED"? If you want to force the state to STARTED then add a property like this :PROPERTY: :REPEAT_TO_STATE: STARTED :END: Regards, Bernt
Re: [O] How to estimate effort by week?
Hi Bernt, thanks a lot for your advice. Sorry, but it took some time until I found the time for trying it. I think I understood how it works. Below I just have some minor questions. 2011-11-19 16:32 Bernt Hansen: Is this to help limit you to that time per week or for estimating? Indeed I was interested in limiting the time that I spend on some task. For limiting you can set up something like this: --8<---cut here---start->8--- * STARTED Some task ^^^ OK, so this example uses another TOOD keyword, which I haven't had before. I understand that your example also works without introducing a new state, but I'm not yet sure what TODO states I need to use this feature most efficiently. See below for a more specific question about that. SCHEDULED:<2011-11-21 Mon +1w> :LOGBOOK: - State "DONE" from "STARTED"[2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] If I understand correctly, this mainly follows the habit tracking documented on the info page "Tracking your habits" – right? CLOCK: [2011-11-19 Sat 10:25]--[2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] => 0:02 CLOCK: [2011-11-19 Sat 09:28]--[2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] => 0:59 :END: :PROPERTIES: :Effort: 1:00 :LAST_REPEAT: [2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] :END: Limit work to 60 minutes per week Let it repeat for next week --8<---cut here---end--->8--- where the task repeats at some interval (weekly since you want to work up to 1 hour per week on this task). When you clock in the task the modeline shows your current clocked minutes on the task _since your last repeat_. OK, that's basically what I wanted to achieve, and it's very nice that the clocked minutes are also shown in a warning face here when I exceed the limit. Set your Effort property to the limit you want for the task for the interval and set your repeat to the size of your interval (1 hour per week in this case) So when you reach the limit of 1 hour (in this case) you mark the task DONE which stops the clock and rescheduled the task to the next repeat date. More realistically I won't do that after one hour, but continue working on that task (with a guilty conscience), and then mark it DONE around the end of the week ;-) OK, I see that marking such a task as DONE does not actually leave it in the DONE state but takes it back to the first TODO state. So far I had the TODO sequence "TODO DELEGATED | DONE CANCELLED" and tried to extend it to "TODO DELEGATED STARTED | DONE CANCELLED", but that would take my repeating task back to "TODO" instead of "STARTED" after marking it DONE. I think a separate sequence of states would make more sense; maybe "STARTED | RESTARTED"? When you clock the task in again the modeline shows 0:00 and counts up to the effort limit again. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Lange, http://www.facebook.com/ch.lange, Skype duke4701
Re: [O] How to estimate effort by week?
Christoph LANGE writes: > Hi Christian, > > 2011-11-18 17:32 Christian Egli: >> Christoph LANGE writes: >>> is there any way of estimating effort by week? >> >> Have a look at the doc string of org-effort-durations. >> >> Documentation: >> Conversion factor to minutes for an effort modifier. > > Thanks for your pointer, but (if I got you right) that wasn't what I > meant to ask. > > So let me try to ask more precisely: I was not interested in > expressing that a task would take me an estimated time of N weeks, but > in expressing that I would spend at most per > week on that task. Hi Christoph, Is this to help limit you to that time per week or for estimating? For limiting you can set up something like this: --8<---cut here---start->8--- * STARTED Some task SCHEDULED: <2011-11-21 Mon +1w> :LOGBOOK: - State "DONE" from "STARTED"[2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] CLOCK: [2011-11-19 Sat 10:25]--[2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] => 0:02 CLOCK: [2011-11-19 Sat 09:28]--[2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] => 0:59 :END: :PROPERTIES: :Effort: 1:00 :LAST_REPEAT: [2011-11-19 Sat 10:27] :END: Limit work to 60 minutes per week Let it repeat for next week --8<---cut here---end--->8--- where the task repeats at some interval (weekly since you want to work up to 1 hour per week on this task). When you clock in the task the modeline shows your current clocked minutes on the task _since your last repeat_. Set your Effort property to the limit you want for the task for the interval and set your repeat to the size of your interval (1 hour per week in this case) So when you reach the limit of 1 hour (in this case) you mark the task DONE which stops the clock and rescheduled the task to the next repeat date. When you clock the task in again the modeline shows 0:00 and counts up to the effort limit again. Does that help? Regards, Bernt
Re: [O] How to estimate effort by week?
Hi Christian, 2011-11-18 17:32 Christian Egli: Christoph LANGE writes: is there any way of estimating effort by week? Have a look at the doc string of org-effort-durations. Documentation: Conversion factor to minutes for an effort modifier. Thanks for your pointer, but (if I got you right) that wasn't what I meant to ask. So let me try to ask more precisely: I was not interested in expressing that a task would take me an estimated time of N weeks, but in expressing that I would spend at most per week on that task. Cheers, Christoph -- Christoph Lange, http://www.facebook.com/ch.lange, Skype duke4701
Re: [O] How to estimate effort by week?
Christoph LANGE writes: > is there any way of estimating effort by week? Have a look at the doc string of org-effort-durations. Documentation: Conversion factor to minutes for an effort modifier. Each entry has the form (MODIFIER . MINUTES). In an effort string, a number followed by MODIFIER is multiplied by the specified number of MINUTES to obtain an effort in minutes. For example, if the value of this variable is (("hours" . 60)), then an effort string "2hours" is equivalent to 120 minutes. -- Christian Egli Swiss Library for the Blind, Visually Impaired and Print Disabled Grubenstrasse 12, CH-8045 Zürich, Switzerland
[O] How to estimate effort by week?
Dear all, is there any way of estimating effort by week? I have some tasks on which I don't want to waste too much time per week. For other tasks, on which I don't want to waste too much time per _day_, I can use the following properties: :PROPERTIES: :CLOCK_MODELINE_TOTAL: today :Effort: 0:15 :END: There is no immediate equivalent for a week (or for any other timespan). But is there possibly some workaround? Cheers, and thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Lange, http://www.facebook.com/ch.lange, Skype duke4701