Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX (was: Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble)
2011/11/14 Daniel Martins daniel...@gmail.com: I would like to see just the preamble of these org files prepared to replace LaTeX files Daniel 2011/6/30 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: On 30.6.2011, at 08:35, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Aloha Karl, I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much pleasure. I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do these things in AucTeX. At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. Are these publicly accessible? I think that would be a great advertisement for Org as a publishing environment if you could link to source and paper - Carsten The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an authoring environment. All the best, Tom Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes: * Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Rafael, Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of view. First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too and so forth. In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and RefTeX). I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for writing documents that end up being great PDFs. But this is just my point of view. -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Aloha Daniel, https://github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization https://github.com/tsdye/LKFS hth, Tom Daniel Martins daniel...@gmail.com writes: 2011/11/14 Daniel Martins daniel...@gmail.com: I would like to see just the preamble of these org files prepared to replace LaTeX files Daniel 2011/6/30 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com: On 30.6.2011, at 08:35, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Aloha Karl, I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much pleasure. I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do these things in AucTeX. At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. Are these publicly accessible? I think that would be a great advertisement for Org as a publishing environment if you could link to source and paper - Carsten The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an authoring environment. All the best, Tom Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes: * Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Rafael, Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of view. First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too and so forth. In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and RefTeX). I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for writing documents that end up being great PDFs. But this is just my point of view. -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Hi Nick, Nick Dokos wrote: Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: Thomas S. Dye wrote: The first of what I hope will be three public reproducible research papers written in Org-mode is now at https://ts...@github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization.git I get a 404 error (page not found) when clicking on this!? Try visiting https://github.com/tsdye/ and git clone https://github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization.git Of course!!! I should stop playing with Org so late at night ;-) Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On 30.6.2011, at 08:35, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Aloha Karl, I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much pleasure. I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do these things in AucTeX. At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. Are these publicly accessible? I think that would be a great advertisement for Org as a publishing environment if you could link to source and paper - Carsten Aloha Carsten, The first of what I hope will be three public reproducible research papers written in Org-mode is now at https://ts...@github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization.git This is a fairly simple example. The Org-mode file depends only on R source code blocks. The same paper probably could have been implemented in Sweave (which I haven't used). Much of the analysis was carried out with a web-based software tool for calibrating radiocarbon dates called BCal. BCal lacks a batch mode facility and can't be called directly from the Org-mode file, AFAIK. The maintainers of the BCal software came up with a way to share my BCal project files, so my archaeological colleagues have access to all my work. BCal output is included in the git repo as csv files. I've pushed up an entry on Worg, which should appear the next time Worg is updated http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/uses.html Most of the RR framework for this project (README, Makfile, etc.) is a port of materials developed by Eric Schulte, who graciously reviewed my work (and discovered errors and omissions). I'll be happy for comments from the Org-mode community. I'm interested to see how fully it is possible to realize the potential of reproducible research (and believe very strongly that Org-mode is the best way to do so). All the best, Tom The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an authoring environment. All the best, Tom Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes: * Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Rafael, Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of view. First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too and so forth. In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and RefTeX). I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for writing documents that end up being great PDFs. But this is just my point of view. -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Hi Thomas, Thomas S. Dye wrote: The first of what I hope will be three public reproducible research papers written in Org-mode is now at https://ts...@github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization.git I get a 404 error (page not found) when clicking on this!? Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Thomas S. Dye wrote: The first of what I hope will be three public reproducible research papers written in Org-mode is now at https://ts...@github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization.git I get a 404 error (page not found) when clicking on this!? Try visiting https://github.com/tsdye/ and git clone https://github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization.git Nick
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: Hi Thomas, Thomas S. Dye wrote: The first of what I hope will be three public reproducible research papers written in Org-mode is now at https://ts...@github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization.git I get a 404 error (page not found) when clicking on this!? Best regards, Seb Arggh. https://github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization Thanks for bringing this to my attention. All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Thomas, Wow. That's nice. Great work. In looking at the setup.. I have a lot to learn about what org/emacs can do. Thanks for sharing, John On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Sebastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes: Hi Thomas, Thomas S. Dye wrote: The first of what I hope will be three public reproducible research papers written in Org-mode is now at https://ts...@github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization.git I get a 404 error (page not found) when clicking on this!? Best regards, Seb Arggh. https://github.com/tsdye/hawaii-colonization Thanks for bringing this to my attention. All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX (was: Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble)
Aloha Karl, I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much pleasure. I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do these things in AucTeX. At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an authoring environment. All the best, Tom Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes: * Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Rafael, Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of view. First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too and so forth. In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and RefTeX). I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for writing documents that end up being great PDFs. But this is just my point of view. -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX (was: Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble)
Hi Tom, I've seen many of the examples you've added to the mailing list and worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own documents and webpages - currently I'm using it to write my Ph.D. dissertation. I'm curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publication with collaborators? In particular, do all of your collaborators know and use Org-mode themselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary LaTeX files in a CVS repository for collaboration. I think it would be difficult to get my collaborators to all use Org-mode - even though they all use emacs. Org-mode has quite a bit of a learning curve that they probably don't have the time or patience to learn currently. Chris On Jun 30, 2011 2:35am, Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Karl, I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much pleasure. I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do these things in AucTeX. At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an authoring environment. All the best, Tom Karl Voit writes: * Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Rafael, Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of view. First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too and so forth. In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and RefTeX). I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for writing documents that end up being great PDFs. But this is just my point of view. -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX (was: Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble)
On 30.6.2011, at 08:35, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Aloha Karl, I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much pleasure. I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do these things in AucTeX. At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. Are these publicly accessible? I think that would be a great advertisement for Org as a publishing environment if you could link to source and paper - Carsten The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an authoring environment. All the best, Tom Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes: * Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Rafael, Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of view. First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too and so forth. In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and RefTeX). I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for writing documents that end up being great PDFs. But this is just my point of view. -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On 30.6.2011, at 08:35, Thomas S. Dye wrote: Aloha Karl, I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much pleasure. I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do these things in AucTeX. At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. Are these publicly accessible? I think that would be a great advertisement for Org as a publishing environment if you could link to source and paper - Carsten Aloha Carsten, Soon, I hope. I have to make them run as emacs batches first, a new thing for me. All the best, Tom The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an authoring environment. All the best, Tom Karl Voit devn...@karl-voit.at writes: * Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Rafael, Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of view. First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too and so forth. In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and RefTeX). I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for writing documents that end up being great PDFs. But this is just my point of view. -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Hi Tom, Would you be willing to share your set-up for using LaTeX with org? That would be fantastic :-) Cheers Markus
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
chris.m.mal...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I've seen many of the examples you've added to the mailing list and worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own documents and webpages - currently I'm using it to write my Ph.D. dissertation. I'm curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publication with collaborators? In particular, do all of your collaborators know and use Org-mode themselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary LaTeX files in a CVS repository for collaboration. I think it would be difficult to get my collaborators to all use Org-mode - even though they all use emacs. Org-mode has quite a bit of a learning curve that they probably don't have the time or patience to learn currently. Chris What I do, when I am the lead on a multi-author document, is give my colleagues the org file directly (but often renamed as .txt for those on Windows...) and ask them to ignore all the special controls there might be in the file. When collaborating on a paper, the key contributions is the content, not the formatting, so there's usually no problem. I do tell them about *bold* and *italic* but that's usually about it. In fact, I find that I get better collaboration this way because often, with Word documents, people end up formatting paragraphs etc along the way causing all kinds of difficulties for the final formatting! I often send a PDF along with the org just to reassure them that the paper will look good but that's mostly for non-latex users who have difficulties separating content from formatting... ;-) Last year I prepared a quite complex 40+ page document (lists, images, footnotes, bibliography) with 20 co-authors using the approach described above and it went very well. -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1 : using Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.511.g2b7d)
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Aloha Chris, The only one I've written in Org-mode with collaborators was with some fellow Org-mode users. We shared the .org and .bib files in a git repository. I agree that the number of Org-mode users out there limits one's ability to collaborate on projects written in Org-mode. Tom chris.m.mal...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, I've seen many of the examples you've added to the mailing list and worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own documents and webpages - currently I'm using it to write my Ph.D. dissertation. I'm curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publication with collaborators? In particular, do all of your collaborators know and use Org-mode themselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary LaTeX files in a CVS repository for collaboration. I think it would be difficult to get my collaborators to all use Org-mode - even though they all use emacs. Org-mode has quite a bit of a learning curve that they probably don't have the time or patience to learn currently. Chris On Jun 30, 2011 2:35am, Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Karl, I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much pleasure. I've been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass results between code blocks written in different languages. I can't do these things in AucTeX. At first, like you, I was suspicious of adding a layer between me and LaTeX. I was impatient with figuring out how to make the little things work right. I'm still not able to control LaTeX as finely as I'd like from within Org-mode, but I've managed to close the gap sufficiently that my last four publications were authored completely with Org-mode. The one I'm working on now is Org-mode, too. I'm really liking it as an authoring environment. All the best, Tom Karl Voit writes: * Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Rafael, Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of view. First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too and so forth. In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and RefTeX). I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for writing documents that end up being great PDFs. But this is just my point of view. -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com Hi Tom,I#39;ve seen many of the examples you#39;ve added to the mailing list and worg. I also enjoy using Org-mode for writing my own documents and webpages - currently I#39;m using it to write my Ph.D. dissertation.I#39;m curious how you work on Org-mode papers for publication with collaborators? In particular, do all of your collaborators know and use Org-mode themselves? Our current method is just to use ordinary LaTeX files in a CVS repository for collaboration. I think it would be difficult to get my collaborators to all use Org-mode - even though they all use emacs. Org-mode has quite a bit of a learning curve that they probably don#39;t have the time or patience to learn currently.ChrisOn Jun 30, 2011 2:35am, Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Karl,I agree that AucTeX is awesome. I use it every day at work with much pleasure.I#39;ve been using Org-mode with the goal of creating reproducible research, where the LaTeX output is just one part of the package. In my case, this is something that requires Org-mode for its ability to pass results between code blocks written in different languages. I can#39;t do these things in AucTeX.At first, like you, I
Re: [O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX
Aloha Markus, Yes, will do. I'm not sure it is fantastic, though. Most (all?) of it is in the LaTeX export tutorial on Worg. I need to clean up .emacs first so I can isolate it all in an initialization file that works with emacs -q. All the best, Tom Markus Heller helle...@gmail.com writes: Hi Tom, Would you be willing to share your set-up for using LaTeX with org? That would be fantastic :-) Cheers Markus -- Thomas S. Dye http://www.tsdye.com
[O] Org-mode as a replacement for LaTeX (was: Fwd: Exporting latex without preamble)
* Thomas S. Dye t...@tsdye.com wrote: Aloha Rafael, Sorry, I thought you might as well be interested in my point of view. First: I am pretty new to Org-mode but I am using LaTeX a while now and I am even teaching LaTeX to motivated beginners. Is there a reason not to have everything in one .org file? I find Org-mode's ability to fold on headlines and to edit subtrees in indirect buffers very convenient, even for long documents. For my work, that functionality has replaced LaTeX \include files. I did not follow the thread here but I do think I get the idea that you want to replace LaTeX with Org-mode and generate a PDF via LaTeX/PDF-export functionality of Org-mode. On the one hand, I do agree that (simple) PDF documents are written very easily with Org-mode. But on the other hand you are going to add just another layer. This means that you probably end up wanting this LaTeX feature in Org-mode, that other handy LaTeX feature too and so forth. In my point of view, if you leave the basic stuff, you should stick to LaTeX. And I do have good news to you: You are very fortune because Emacs does have the IMHO most advanced editor support for LaTeX: AucTeX (with all of its extensions like preview-latex and RefTeX). I plan to use Org-mode as an outline tool for larger documents, where the basic structure evolves, keywords are moved from one part to the other. But before I start to write the detailed document content, I move to AucTeX, having the great possibilities for writing documents that end up being great PDFs. But this is just my point of view. -- Karl Voit
