Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Hi Achim, Achim Gratz writes: > The wayback archive has a correct version of that file: > http://web.archive.org/web/20100925104250/http://orgmode.org/org-mode-unicorn.ico Thanks -- both org-mode-unicorn.ico and favicon.ico should work fine now. -- Bastien
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Eric Schulte writes: >> Thanks. We lost the blue background in the top bar and the correct >> z-index so that text don't overlap. > > I believe I just pushed up a fix for this Confirmed, thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
> > Thanks. We lost the blue background in the top bar and the correct > z-index so that text don't overlap. I believe I just pushed up a fix for this -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte writes: > Exactly, that is why it is ignored. :) > > I did this mainly so that I could export index.org to generate a base to > work off of (before I had the project description you just send in > another email). Okay, no problem. > Should the publish project definition be added to the orgweb repository > in a non-exporting file, so that anyone can build the site locally for > testing? Sure -- maybe just add a README. >> The two others don't apply. There seem to be blank lines where there >> should not. Can you resent them? > > Since you seem to like the changes listed above I've just pushed these > patches up directly, so they should now be applied. Thanks. We lost the blue background in the top bar and the correct z-index so that text don't overlap. -- Bastien
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Bastien writes: > Hi Eric, > > Eric Schulte writes: > >> The attached three patches to the orgweb repository change the CSS for >> smarter rendering on narrow screens (they don't address screen >> height). >> >> The changes include... >> - scale down images on narrow screens >> - decrease the width of the left link bar on narrow screens >> - decrease the padding around the title on narrow screens >> - shrink the paypal link on smaller screens -- I would like to move this >> button on really small screens, but somehow that doesn't seem possible >> - remove the Org-mode image on really small screens >> - remove the twitter feed on narrow screens -- for some reason I was >> unable to change the size of this widget, so I just hide it on a tiny >> screen > > Looks fine - thanks! > >> These changes make the new website work on my system, and should improve >> the reading experience for everyone who keeps their browser screens less >> than 1400 pixels wide. >> >> If these look good please apply them. > > I don't understand the first patch, as there should be no index.html in > the git repository. > Exactly, that is why it is ignored. :) I did this mainly so that I could export index.org to generate a base to work off of (before I had the project description you just send in another email). Should the publish project definition be added to the orgweb repository in a non-exporting file, so that anyone can build the site locally for testing? > > The two others don't apply. There seem to be blank lines where there > should not. Can you resent them? > Since you seem to like the changes listed above I've just pushed these patches up directly, so they should now be applied. Best -- Eric > > Thanks! -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Hi Eric,
Eric Schulte writes:
> Ah, I should have known to hold my tongue! :)
>
> I pushed a patch up to a new "old-image" branch in the orgweb
> repository, but it seems you've now taken care of this independently so
> please feel free to delete that branch.
Mhh.. yes, I deleted this branch. Thanks anyway!
> One of my preferred layout looks something like the following, which can
> lead to a small windows for Firefox.
>
> ++---+
> || |
> || |
> | Firefox | Emacs |
> || |
> || |
> ++---+
> | Terminal |
> ++
>
> There is a huge difference in readability between those websites which
> take variable window size into consideration and those which assume a
> large screen (or a full screen browser). I'll take a shot at changing
> the CSS in the orgweb repository to facility smaller layouts (I guess
> some special CSS for mobile browsers may also make sense).
>
> ...looking...
>
> It looks like making the Org-mode website responsive to the viewers
> window size should be as simple as adding a couple of "@media" guards
> [1] to the css page. I may have time to tackle this over the weekend.
> I do need some help compiling the Org-mode web page from the git
> repository. Is there an org-mode publishing project which I should
> define locally?
I use this locally:
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(setq org-publish-project-alist
`(("orgweb"
:base-directory "~/install/git/orgweb/"
:base-extension "org"
:publishing-directory "/srv/http/org-mode/"
:publishing-function org-publish-org-to-html
:auto-sitemap nil
:section-numbers nil
:table-of-contents nil
:html-preamble ,(org-get-file-contents
"/srv/http/org-mode/preamble.html")
:html-postamble ,(org-get-file-contents
"/srv/http/org-mode/postamble.html"))
("orgweb_extra"
:base-directory "~/install/git/orgweb/"
:base-extension "css\\|html\\|png"
:publishing-directory "/srv/http/org-mode/"
:publishing-function org-publish-attachment)))
#+end_src
... my web server serves web pages at "/srv/http/org-mode/".
I also have a project for the fr/ directory, very similar to
this one.
> In general how are the many file in orgweb compiled into the site?
Each time someone pushes a fix to orgweb.git, there is a hook calling
a script launching emacs in batch mode for publishing the website. The
same way than for Worg, exactly.
HTH,
--
Bastien
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte writes: > The attached three patches to the orgweb repository change the CSS for > smarter rendering on narrow screens (they don't address screen > height). > > The changes include... > - scale down images on narrow screens > - decrease the width of the left link bar on narrow screens > - decrease the padding around the title on narrow screens > - shrink the paypal link on smaller screens -- I would like to move this > button on really small screens, but somehow that doesn't seem possible > - remove the Org-mode image on really small screens > - remove the twitter feed on narrow screens -- for some reason I was > unable to change the size of this widget, so I just hide it on a tiny > screen Looks fine - thanks! > These changes make the new website work on my system, and should improve > the reading experience for everyone who keeps their browser screens less > than 1400 pixels wide. > > If these look good please apply them. I don't understand the first patch, as there should be no index.html in the git repository. The two others don't apply. There seem to be blank lines where there should not. Can you resent them? Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Bastien writes: > Dear all, > > I made a small refresh of the website. > > http://orgmode.org > > - random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org) > - random screenshot > - twitter feed > - g+/flattr/fb buttons > - french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/) > > If you want to help with the translation in your language, > please send your public key and I will give you push access. > This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to > translate the whole website. > > Hope you like it! I personally really like the new look (on a 19" Wide-screen Safari browser under OSX). It looks really clean, organized, and professional. I tended to think the original page held just too much information, as a landing page - i.e. for a potentially new Org-user who is making there first steps into researching Org-mode. Incidentally, it also looks really good on the Ipad (safari), where the left-hand column links work just fine. Best, Martyn
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>>
>> Mh.. your screen seems quite small. If you can fix the .css to display
>> the website better on your screen, please do, I don't have time at hand
>> now to do it myself.
>>
The attached three patches to the orgweb repository change the CSS for
smarter rendering on narrow screens (they don't address screen height).
The changes include...
- scale down images on narrow screens
- decrease the width of the left link bar on narrow screens
- decrease the padding around the title on narrow screens
- shrink the paypal link on smaller screens -- I would like to move this
button on really small screens, but somehow that doesn't seem possible
- remove the Org-mode image on really small screens
- remove the twitter feed on narrow screens -- for some reason I was
unable to change the size of this widget, so I just hide it on a tiny
screen
These changes make the new website work on my system, and should improve
the reading experience for everyone who keeps their browser screens less
than 1400 pixels wide.
If these look good please apply them.
Thanks,
>From 9bb86f8c206e2b749c9c49c4ad33f11e07e4f3fc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Eric Schulte
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:30:02 -0700
Subject: [PATCH 1/3] ignoring exported html indices
---
.gitignore |1 +
1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
create mode 100644 .gitignore
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
new file mode 100644
index 000..dcaf716
--- /dev/null
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+index.html
--
1.7.8
>From e262903d6d21173d786c15d4e4db155d466c8407 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Eric Schulte
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:30:28 -0700
Subject: [PATCH 2/3] shrink links and remove twitter on narrow screens
---
org.css | 147 +++
1 files changed, 82 insertions(+), 65 deletions(-)
diff --git a/org.css b/org.css
index cce24dd..ad6785e 100644
--- a/org.css
+++ b/org.css
@@ -96,50 +96,87 @@ h1.title {
font-family: Courier New;
}
-#linklist
-{
-position: fixed;
-font-size: 13pt;
-font-family: Courier New;
-padding-top: 0px;
-padding-right: 0px;
-top: 107px;
-left: 0px;
-margin-top: 0px;
-width: 180px;
-background-color: #fff;
-color: black;
-box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px #ccc;
--webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 10px;
--moz-border-radius-bottomright: 10px;
-z-index: 100;
-}
-
-#linklist a {
-color: black;
-font-weight: normal;
-text-decoration: none;
-display:block;
-padding: 7pt;
-}
-
-#linklist ul {
-margin: 0;
-padding: 0;
-}
-
-#linklist li {
-text-align: right;
-margin: 0;
-}
-
-.timestamp {
-font-family: Courier New;
-color: #88;
-}
-
-#linklist li:hover {
-border-left: 7px solid #537d7b;
+@media all {
+#linklist
+{
+position: fixed;
+font-size: 13pt;
+font-family: Courier New;
+padding-top: 0px;
+padding-right: 0px;
+top: 107px;
+left: 0px;
+margin-top: 0px;
+width: 180px;
+background-color: #fff;
+color: black;
+box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px #ccc;
+-webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 10px;
+-moz-border-radius-bottomright: 10px;
+z-index: 100;
+}
+
+#linklist a {
+color: black;
+font-weight: normal;
+text-decoration: none;
+display:block;
+padding: 7pt;
+}
+
+#linklist ul {
+margin: 0;
+padding: 0;
+}
+
+#linklist li {
+text-align: right;
+margin: 0;
+}
+
+.timestamp {
+font-family: Courier New;
+color: #88;
+}
+
+#linklist li:hover {
+border-left: 7px solid #537d7b;
+}
+
+#twit {
+/* -moz-opacity:.2; */
+/* opacity: .2; */
+/* filter:alpha(opacity=20); */
+position: fixed;
+top: 362px;
+box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px #ccc;
+-webkit-border-bottom-right-radius: 10px;
+-moz-border-radius-bottomright: 10px;
+z-index: 100;
+}
+
+.outline-2 {
+position: relative;
+top: 105px;
+left: 215px;
+width: 75%;
+padding-bottom: 5pt;
+}
+}
+
+@media all and (max-width: 700px){
+#linklist{
+width: 130px;
+}
+#linklist a{
+font-size: 10pt;
+}
+#twit{
+display: none;
+}
+.outline-2 {
+left: 145px;
+}
}
pre {
@@ -176,26 +213,6 @@ pre {
filter:alpha(opacity=100);
}
-.outline-2 {
-position: relative;
-left: 215px;
-top: 105px;
-width: 75%;
-padding-bottom: 5pt;
-}
-
-#twit {
-/* -moz-opacity:.2; */
-/* opacity: .2; */
-/* filter:alpha(opacity=20); */
-position: fixed;
-top: 362px;
-box-shadow: 8px 8px 12px #ccc;
--webk
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
> > What's the git URL of the homepage repository? > git clone git://orgmode.org/orgweb.git -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Hi, Bastien wrote: > Viktor Rosenfeld writes: > > >> Can you make an alternate .css with non-fixed top bar and a better font? > > > > Maybe on the weekend, but I can't promise anything. > > Thanks in advance for this! What's the git URL of the homepage repository? Thanks, Viktor
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> >> +1 for preferring the old screenshot, for exactly those reasons >>mentioned above. While it is fun for me to look at random >>screenshots from Worg, part of the purpose of this site is as a >>gateway to Org-mode, and I fear many of these random screenshots are >>meaningless (or even intimidating) unless you already have a good >>understanding of Org-mode. > > Again, I agree. Patch welcome! > Ah, I should have known to hold my tongue! :) I pushed a patch up to a new "old-image" branch in the orgweb repository, but it seems you've now taken care of this independently so please feel free to delete that branch. > >>> - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random >>> quote. It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A >>> complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover >>> the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above >>> the bar. >> >> I also find that (in part because of the new larger screenshots) I can't >> see any content upon first loading the page (see this screenshot [1]). > > Mh.. your screen seems quite small. If you can fix the .css to display > the website better on your screen, please do, I don't have time at hand > now to do it myself. > One of my preferred layout looks something like the following, which can lead to a small windows for Firefox. ++---+ || | || | | Firefox | Emacs | || | || | ++---+ | Terminal | ++ There is a huge difference in readability between those websites which take variable window size into consideration and those which assume a large screen (or a full screen browser). I'll take a shot at changing the CSS in the orgweb repository to facility smaller layouts (I guess some special CSS for mobile browsers may also make sense). ...looking... It looks like making the Org-mode website responsive to the viewers window size should be as simple as adding a couple of "@media" guards [1] to the css page. I may have time to tackle this over the weekend. I do need some help compiling the Org-mode web page from the git repository. Is there an org-mode publishing project which I should define locally? In general how are the many file in orgweb compiled into the site? Thanks, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/ Footnotes: [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-mediaqueries/
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Viktor Rosenfeld writes: >> Can you make an alternate .css with non-fixed top bar and a better font? > > Maybe on the weekend, but I can't promise anything. Thanks in advance for this! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Hi all, Old School Org screenshots are back in orgmode.org. Enjoy! -- Bastien
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Dear Viktor, dear Bastien, On 13.12.2011, at 22:50, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: > [...]- I don't like this particular type writer font. On a Mac it's very thin > compared to the serifless font that makes up the normal text. But > that's just aesthetics. > > - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random > quote. It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A > complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover > the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above > the bar. I really like the new web site "look" (thanks, Bastien!): I tested it on a Mac with recent versions of Firefox, Safari and Opera and was (so far) very pleased with both usability and aesthetics. However, that was on a machine with a large screen and I can imagine that some layout and font decisions could be improved for smaller systems - it does not work so well on the iPhone where I also did some testing. Almost every web site has that problem - the solution usually is to provide more than one stylesheet and provide a suitable one depending on the browser identification; this works well with most SmartPhones and the iPad. We have some institute-internal services that do this (not difficult to implement with PHP) - is this an option for the current orgmode-site? Warm regards, Stefan -- Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. Head of IT group Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298 Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279 Email: voll...@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Hi Bastien, Bastien wrote: > > - The old screenshot conveyed what org-mode was all about. Outlining > > and project planning. The new screenshots take a lot longer to load > > and even if you click on them, their content is not always > > accessible. > > I agree. Feel free to contribute to Worg with relevant screenshots > that we can select as "featured on the index page." Also add title > and caption for these screenshots. I think the old screenshot was good enough. A link beneath it to the screenshot page on Worg would be useful. > > - I don't like this particular type writer font. On a Mac it's very thin > > compared to the serifless font that makes up the normal text. But > > that's just aesthetics. > > > > - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random > > quote. It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A > > complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover > > the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above > > the bar. > > Can you make an alternate .css with non-fixed top bar and a better font? Maybe on the weekend, but I can't promise anything. > > - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one > > page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing > > list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new > > homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of > > meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful > > information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the > > description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the > > manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) I believe > > that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information and the > > current format makes that hard. > > I somehow agree that it was good to have everything in one page, but I > don't think that page was *that* readable. In any case, you can always > pull the website (it's just a git repository) and you have everything > in "one directory". I agree that the old page wasn't very readable as it did contain a lot of information. I just don't feel that the new layout is better, on the contrary. Cheers, Viktor
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte writes: > +1 for preferring the old screenshot, for exactly those reasons >mentioned above. While it is fun for me to look at random >screenshots from Worg, part of the purpose of this site is as a >gateway to Org-mode, and I fear many of these random screenshots are >meaningless (or even intimidating) unless you already have a good >understanding of Org-mode. Again, I agree. Patch welcome! >> - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random >> quote. It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A >> complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover >> the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above >> the bar. > > I also find that (in part because of the new larger screenshots) I can't > see any content upon first loading the page (see this screenshot [1]). Mh.. your screen seems quite small. If you can fix the .css to display the website better on your screen, please do, I don't have time at hand now to do it myself. >> - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one >> page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing >> list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new >> homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of >> meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful >> information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the >> description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the >> manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) > > I agree that the manual should be linked with the term "manual", as > (unfortunately IMO) it seems many Emacs and Org-mode users aren't > comfortable using the build in Emacs info system and prefer to use the > online manual exclusively. Well, the manual is two clicks away: 1) "Documentation" 2) "The online manual" I find it good to gather every available documentation in one single page, that people will later be exposed to when looking for "orgmode documentation". That's also the benefit of having one page. And one Google Search away: http://www.google.fr/search?&ie=UTF-8&q=orgmode+manual -> http://orgmode.org/org.html > Aside from those items mentioned above I do generally like the style of > the new site. Thanks! -- Bastien
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Bastien writes: > Viktor Rosenfeld writes: >> - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one >> page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing >> list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new >> homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of >> meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful >> information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the >> description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the >> manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) I believe >> that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information and the >> current format makes that hard. > > I somehow agree that it was good to have everything in one page, but I > don't think that page was *that* readable. In any case, you can always I agree with Bastien here. In fact, I used to use the old website in the manner the new one requires: using the left index to go to the bit I wanted. The new one is more obvious in this regard. -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.90.1 : using Org-mode version 7.8.02 (release_7.8.02.2.g490d6a)
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Bastien writes: > Hi Eric, Hi Bastien! > > Eric S Fraga writes: > >> The only thing I don't particularly care for is the twitter box. If I >> have the browser visible visiting this page, as I do right now, and >> especially on a separate monitor, I keep getting distracted by motion in >> my peripheral vision! It's almost worse because of the faint display of >> the box when not hovering over it. Minor point, mind you; I just don't >> like animations on web sites... others will of course disagree! > > If people want to get rid of this box in the index* pages, no objection. > > But.. wait.. why do you keep the index.html page open then? I don't > make oops-here-is-another-stupid-bugfix-releases *that* often :) Very true! I guess I was in a pedantic or picky mood last night... :( Ignore my rant. The site looks very nice otherwise! -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.90.1 : using Org-mode version 7.8.02 (release_7.8.02.2.g490d6a)
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
On 12/12/2011 06:39 PM, Bastien wrote: > Dear all, > > I made a small refresh of the website. > > http://orgmode.org > > - random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org) > - random screenshot > - twitter feed > - g+/flattr/fb buttons > - french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/) > > If you want to help with the translation in your language, > please send your public key and I will give you push access. > This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to > translate the whole website. > > Hope you like it! > The random screenshot I saw was one of mine. :) Scott Randby
Re: [O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Viktor Rosenfeld writes: > Hi, > > I honestly liked the old one better. Some of my concrete criticism are: > > - The old screenshot conveyed what org-mode was all about. Outlining > and project planning. The new screenshots take a lot longer to load > and even if you click on them, their content is not always accessible. > +1 for preferring the old screenshot, for exactly those reasons mentioned above. While it is fun for me to look at random screenshots from Worg, part of the purpose of this site is as a gateway to Org-mode, and I fear many of these random screenshots are meaningless (or even intimidating) unless you already have a good understanding of Org-mode. > > - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random > quote. It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A > complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover > the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above > the bar. > I also find that (in part because of the new larger screenshots) I can't see any content upon first loading the page (see this screenshot [1]). > > - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one > page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing > list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new > homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of > meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful > information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the > description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the > manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) I agree that the manual should be linked with the term "manual", as (unfortunately IMO) it seems many Emacs and Org-mode users aren't comfortable using the build in Emacs info system and prefer to use the online manual exclusively. Aside from those items mentioned above I do generally like the style of the new site. Best, > I believe that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information > and the current format makes that hard. > > Cheers, > Viktor > > Bastien wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I made a small refresh of the website. >> >> http://orgmode.org >> >> - random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org) >> - random screenshot >> - twitter feed >> - g+/flattr/fb buttons >> - french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/) >> >> If you want to help with the translation in your language, >> please send your public key and I will give you push access. >> This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to >> translate the whole website. >> >> Hope you like it! >> >> -- >> Bastien >> > Footnotes: [1] http://imgur.com/mL3zb -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
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Hi Viktor, Viktor Rosenfeld writes: > - The old screenshot conveyed what org-mode was all about. Outlining > and project planning. The new screenshots take a lot longer to load > and even if you click on them, their content is not always > accessible. I agree. Feel free to contribute to Worg with relevant screenshots that we can select as "featured on the index page." Also add title and caption for these screenshots. > - I don't like this particular type writer font. On a Mac it's very thin > compared to the serifless font that makes up the normal text. But > that's just aesthetics. > > - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random > quote. It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A > complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover > the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above > the bar. Can you make an alternate .css with non-fixed top bar and a better font? > - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one > page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing > list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new > homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of > meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful > information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the > description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the > manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) I believe > that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information and the > current format makes that hard. I somehow agree that it was good to have everything in one page, but I don't think that page was *that* readable. In any case, you can always pull the website (it's just a git repository) and you have everything in "one directory". If you have any patch that would make the website better to your eyes, please send it! Thanks, -- Bastien
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Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: > - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one > page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing > list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new > homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of > meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful > information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the > description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the > manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) At least on Firefox, there *is* a panel of links (Home/Download/Documentation/Community/News/More) and the manual is available under the "Documentation" link. Nick
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Hi, I honestly liked the old one better. Some of my concrete criticism are: - The old screenshot conveyed what org-mode was all about. Outlining and project planning. The new screenshots take a lot longer to load and even if you click on them, their content is not always accessible. - I don't like this particular type writer font. On a Mac it's very thin compared to the serifless font that makes up the normal text. But that's just aesthetics. - I don't like the fixed top bar with the Org-Mode motto and the random quote. It takes up about 20% of vertical screen space of my laptop. A complete waste in my view. The black background also does not cover the text behind it -- one or two pixel of the text are visible above the bar. - The old homepage had all the easily accessible information on one page. So you could go to the homepage, search for "manual" or "mailing list" and go on from there. (I sometimes work like that.) The new homepage only contains screenshots (that don't convey a lot of meaningful information) and the org-mode mission statement. Useful information is available but the links are somewhat hidden in the description of what org is about and some are hard to find. (E.g. the manual is linked with the text "documented extensively".) I believe that people quickly scan web pages for relevant information and the current format makes that hard. Cheers, Viktor Bastien wrote: > Dear all, > > I made a small refresh of the website. > > http://orgmode.org > > - random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org) > - random screenshot > - twitter feed > - g+/flattr/fb buttons > - french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/) > > If you want to help with the translation in your language, > please send your public key and I will give you push access. > This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to > translate the whole website. > > Hope you like it! > > -- > Bastien >
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Bastien writes: > Done - please confirm. Requesting /favicon.ico succeeds, but gets me a file that is exactly 0 bytes. Asking for /org-mode-unicorn.ico gets a file that contains the following text: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:48:25 GMT Server: Apache Last-Modified: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:43:15 GMT ETag: "90e230f-47e-46ca64b90e2c0" Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 1150 Content-Type: image/x-icon The wayback archive has a correct version of that file: http://web.archive.org/web/20100925104250/http://orgmode.org/org-mode-unicorn.ico (and it should probably be linked to /favicon.ico for the benefit of older browsers). Firefox seems to prefer the alternate PNG version of the icon and so it does display. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptations for Waldorf Q V3.00R3 and Q+ V3.54R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
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Bastien wrote: > Achim Gratz writes: > > > Bastien writes: > >> http://orgmode.org > > > > I think ever since the server moved the favicon has been missing. Could > > it be added back, please? > > Done - please confirm. > Never noticed its absence, but I can see it now :)
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Hi Bastien, Thanks for reproducing. And thanks for the release. Then maybe the bar is specified in pixels instead of ems? Just a guess. Samuel -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com === Bigotry against people with serious diseases is still bigotry.
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Hi Eric, Eric S Fraga writes: > The only thing I don't particularly care for is the twitter box. If I > have the browser visible visiting this page, as I do right now, and > especially on a separate monitor, I keep getting distracted by motion in > my peripheral vision! It's almost worse because of the faint display of > the box when not hovering over it. Minor point, mind you; I just don't > like animations on web sites... others will of course disagree! If people want to get rid of this box in the index* pages, no objection. But.. wait.. why do you keep the index.html page open then? I don't make oops-here-is-another-stupid-bugfix-releases *that* often :) > Samuel, I'm not sure what you mean here. I'm using iceweasel 8.0 so am > not sure what version of Firefox this is but if I increase the font size > (via C-=) to the maximum size available, things still work mostly > fine. I guess it depends on the screen resolution. I have a fairly small screen (on a fairly old computer) and I see what Samuel means... Best, -- Bastien
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Hi Samuel, yes, there are definitely some readability and accessibility issues that need to be fixed. The css is here: http://orgmode.org/org.css If anyone wants to send improvement, please do! We can also use a different .css, the html file are quite simple. I hope you understand I'd rather not dedicate too much time on this (I did already), as I have so many remaining Org bugs to fix... but help is welcome ! Thanks for all your feedback, -- Bastien
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Achim Gratz writes: > Bastien writes: >> http://orgmode.org > > I think ever since the server moved the favicon has been missing. Could > it be added back, please? Done - please confirm. Thanks, -- Bastien
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Hi Eric, On 2011-12-13, Eric S Fraga wrote: > the box when not hovering over it. Minor point, mind you; I just don't > like animations on web sites... others will of course disagree! Agreed, though I have animations turned off. Some find animations to be an accessibility issue. > Samuel, I'm not sure what you mean here. I'm using iceweasel 8.0 so am > not sure what version of Firefox this is but if I increase the font size > (via C-=) to the maximum size available, things still work mostly Go to preferences/content/advanced and set the maximum minimum font size. You might or might not need a smaller window or to set lower resolution. Probably don't need that unless the whole page appears, of course. Keep trying. You will reproduce. Samuel -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com === Bigotry against people with serious diseases is still bigotry.
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Samuel Wales writes: > Looks beautiful. +1 Thanks! The only thing I don't particularly care for is the twitter box. If I have the browser visible visiting this page, as I do right now, and especially on a separate monitor, I keep getting distracted by motion in my peripheral vision! It's almost worse because of the faint display of the box when not hovering over it. Minor point, mind you; I just don't like animations on web sites... others will of course disagree! > > Unfortunately, it does not work with large fonts. > > Try setting Firefox to the maximum value for the minimum font size to > see what I mean. You might or might not need to make the window size > smaller also. > > Look at the bottom line on the screen, then scroll down once. Now > look at the top line on the screen. > > You should notice that several lines are missing. The top bar obscures them. > > In other words, page down does not work correctly, because the top bar > was designed for normal fonts only. > > Thanks. > > Samuel Samuel, I'm not sure what you mean here. I'm using iceweasel 8.0 so am not sure what version of Firefox this is but if I increase the font size (via C-=) to the maximum size available, things still work mostly fine. The text in the title bar (Org: Your life...) does scroll over the quote bar but there are no problems scrolling back and forth otherwise in the main text section. -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.92.1 : using Org-mode version 7.7 (release_7.7.381.g05ea.dirty)
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Looks beautiful. Unfortunately, it does not work with large fonts. Try setting Firefox to the maximum value for the minimum font size to see what I mean. You might or might not need to make the window size smaller also. Look at the bottom line on the screen, then scroll down once. Now look at the top line on the screen. You should notice that several lines are missing. The top bar obscures them. In other words, page down does not work correctly, because the top bar was designed for normal fonts only. Thanks. Samuel -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com === Bigotry against people with serious diseases is still bigotry.
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Bastien writes: > http://orgmode.org I think ever since the server moved the favicon has been missing. Could it be added back, please? Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
[O] Refresh of http://orgmode.org
Dear all, I made a small refresh of the website. http://orgmode.org - random quote (taken from worg/org-quotes.org) - random screenshot - twitter feed - g+/flattr/fb buttons - french translation (http://orgmode.org/fr/) If you want to help with the translation in your language, please send your public key and I will give you push access. This is just a bunch of .org files, only 1 hour needed to translate the whole website. Hope you like it! -- Bastien
