Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
Hi Charles, Charles Berry ccbe...@ucsd.edu writes: The docstring for `org-preview-latex-fragment' still says: The images can be removed again with \\[org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c]. Maybe change that to \\[org-preview-latex-fragment]? Fixed, thanks. `org-preview-latex-fragment' is now named `org-toggle-latex-fragment'. -- Bastien
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
Bastien bzg at gnu.org writes: Hi Nick, Nick Dokos ndokos at gmail.com writes: getting rid of just latex fragment undoing in org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c and toggling with C-c C-x C-l is probably the best solution. Agreed, this is the case now in master. The docstring for `org-preview-latex-fragment' still says: The images can be removed again with \\[org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c]. Maybe change that to \\[org-preview-latex-fragment]? HTH, Chuck
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
Aaron Ecay wrote: I don’t have a comment on the substance of the proposal, but rather two suggestions for workarounds. The first is to use the C-c C-v C-e binding to execute source blocks rather than C-c C-c. Or even `e' if: - on the first character of the #+begin_src keyword, and - speed keys are enabled (not by default!?) Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
Hi Nick, Nick Dokos ndo...@gmail.com writes: getting rid of just latex fragment undoing in org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c and toggling with C-c C-x C-l is probably the best solution. Agreed, this is the case now in master. It probably would be a good idea to make the handling of clock overlays similar as well and make C-c C-x C-d toggle the clock overlay state Clock overlays are clearly transient, while LaTeX fragments are more or less permanent -- so allowing C-c C-c for getting rid of clock overlays seems fine to me. But clearly a subjective point of view. Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
Hi all, John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: I am using org-mode files with equations and code blocks in lectures, and it is problematic that C-c C-c removes the equation overlays when running a code block. First, you have to press C-c C-c twice to run the block, since the first one gets rid of the equations, but then you have run C-c C-x C-l to get the equations back! and the cycle repeats throughout a lecture. I would prefer that the equations stay untouched, and that the code blocks run without modifying them. I think the best behavior would be for C-c C-x C-l to toggle the equations, and to remove the C-c C-c behavior for latex overlays completely. Since this thread focusses on work arounds and local customizations so far, let me just say, that I completely agree here. What is the reasoning behind the current key binding? Is there any benefit over using the same key binding to toggle the state? [...] Regards, Andreas
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
Andreas Leha andreas.l...@med.uni-goettingen.de writes: Hi all, John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: I am using org-mode files with equations and code blocks in lectures, and it is problematic that C-c C-c removes the equation overlays when running a code block. First, you have to press C-c C-c twice to run the block, since the first one gets rid of the equations, but then you have run C-c C-x C-l to get the equations back! and the cycle repeats throughout a lecture. I would prefer that the equations stay untouched, and that the code blocks run without modifying them. I think the best behavior would be for C-c C-x C-l to toggle the equations, and to remove the C-c C-c behavior for latex overlays completely. Since this thread focusses on work arounds and local customizations so far, let me just say, that I completely agree here. What is the reasoning behind the current key binding? Is there any benefit over using the same key binding to toggle the state? I'm inclined to agree too: I imagine it would be very annoying after a while. There are three things that C-c C-c currently undoes in an ad-hoc fashion. The first cond clause in the function looks like this: , |((or (and (boundp 'org-clock-overlays) org-clock-overlays) | org-occur-highlights | org-latex-fragment-image-overlays) | (and (boundp 'org-clock-overlays) (org-clock-remove-overlays)) | (org-remove-occur-highlights) | (org-remove-latex-fragment-image-overlays) | (message Temporary highlights/overlays removed from current buffer)) ` So if there are clock overlays or occur highlights or latex fragment image overlays, they are undone and the function is finished. This seems like a separate issue from the main thrust of what C-c C-c does (and it does a lot), so my inclination would be to suggest that each of the above conditions be togglable, using the standard keybinding for each (C-c C-x C-l for latex fragment image overlay toggling, C-c C-x C-d for clock display - occur highlights only happen from org-goto with the / keybinding, but there is no org-global keybinding I believe). However there is a variable that modifies that behavior: , | org-remove-highlights-with-change is a variable defined in `org.el'. | Its value is t | | Documentation: | Non-nil means any change to the buffer will remove temporary highlights. | Such highlights are created by `org-occur' and `org-clock-display'. | When nil, `C-c C-c needs to be used to get rid of the highlights. | The highlights created by `org-preview-latex-fragment' always need | `C-c C-c' to be removed. ` If most of us leave that variable's value at default, the ad-hoc-kery probably does not raise its head except for latex fragments. If that's the case, then getting rid of just latex fragment undoing in org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c and toggling with C-c C-x C-l is probably the best solution. It probably would be a good idea to make the handling of clock overlays similar as well and make C-c C-x C-d toggle the clock overlay state (I'd be inclined to take that out of org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c as well, since I suspect that almost nobody uses it, given the variable above and its default value - but that's only a hunch). That would leave only occur highlights to be undone by org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c - which is ugly but the function is a kitchen-sink kind of function anyway, so that's probably OK. Alternatively, make org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c undo these things as it does today, but only with a triple prefix arg (which afaict is not used today). As Nicolas would say, WDYT? -- Nick
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
That is nice. For those of us using windows sometimes, you can kind of get super and hyper keys (see http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/emacs_hyper_super_keys.html). Although, without also using autohotkey, your super keys are limited because windows uses some of them (e.g.s-e launches explorer). H-e works fine. Grant Rettke g...@wisdomandwonder.com writes: C-c C-v C-e might seem like a lot but it nice to have control and be sure when code is getting evaluated. That said, I do have a more obvious one using super which is indeed, super: (local-set-key (kbd s-t) 'org-babel-tangle) (local-set-key (kbd s-e) 'org-babel-execute-maybe) Grant Rettke | ACM, ASA, FSF, IEEE, SIAM g...@wisdomandwonder.com | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ “Wisdom begins in wonder.” --Socrates ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.” --Thompson On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:00 PM, John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu wrote: I actually love C-c C-c to run code blocks! Maybe I should just bind it to f5 or something, I am just so used to C-cC-c now! Grant Rettke g...@wisdomandwonder.com writes: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com wrote: The first is to use the C-c C-v C-e binding to execute source blocks rather than C-c C-c. Like this? (setq org-babel-no-eval-on-ctrl-c-ctrl-c +1) -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
DOH! thanks, that is exactly what I forgot to do. This works fine after you activate it! Thanks. Nick Dokos ndo...@gmail.com writes: John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com writes: Thanks for the advice idea, that is a nice one. It doesn't work for me like this though: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (defadvice org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c (around latex-overlays) ignore latex overlays in C-cC-c (let ((org-latex-fragment-image-overlays nil)) ad-do-it)) #+END_SRC maybe because that is a buffer local variable? You probably forgot to activate it: (ad-activate 'org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c) -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
I favor the toggling behavior. There is an org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook variable that can always have functions in it that keep the current behavior, but that can be removed if they are not desired. John Nick Dokos ndo...@gmail.com writes: Andreas Leha andreas.l...@med.uni-goettingen.de writes: Hi all, John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: I am using org-mode files with equations and code blocks in lectures, and it is problematic that C-c C-c removes the equation overlays when running a code block. First, you have to press C-c C-c twice to run the block, since the first one gets rid of the equations, but then you have run C-c C-x C-l to get the equations back! and the cycle repeats throughout a lecture. I would prefer that the equations stay untouched, and that the code blocks run without modifying them. I think the best behavior would be for C-c C-x C-l to toggle the equations, and to remove the C-c C-c behavior for latex overlays completely. Since this thread focusses on work arounds and local customizations so far, let me just say, that I completely agree here. What is the reasoning behind the current key binding? Is there any benefit over using the same key binding to toggle the state? I'm inclined to agree too: I imagine it would be very annoying after a while. There are three things that C-c C-c currently undoes in an ad-hoc fashion. The first cond clause in the function looks like this: , |((or (and (boundp 'org-clock-overlays) org-clock-overlays) | org-occur-highlights | org-latex-fragment-image-overlays) | (and (boundp 'org-clock-overlays) (org-clock-remove-overlays)) | (org-remove-occur-highlights) | (org-remove-latex-fragment-image-overlays) | (message Temporary highlights/overlays removed from current buffer)) ` So if there are clock overlays or occur highlights or latex fragment image overlays, they are undone and the function is finished. This seems like a separate issue from the main thrust of what C-c C-c does (and it does a lot), so my inclination would be to suggest that each of the above conditions be togglable, using the standard keybinding for each (C-c C-x C-l for latex fragment image overlay toggling, C-c C-x C-d for clock display - occur highlights only happen from org-goto with the / keybinding, but there is no org-global keybinding I believe). However there is a variable that modifies that behavior: , | org-remove-highlights-with-change is a variable defined in `org.el'. | Its value is t | | Documentation: | Non-nil means any change to the buffer will remove temporary highlights. | Such highlights are created by `org-occur' and `org-clock-display'. | When nil, `C-c C-c needs to be used to get rid of the highlights. | The highlights created by `org-preview-latex-fragment' always need | `C-c C-c' to be removed. ` If most of us leave that variable's value at default, the ad-hoc-kery probably does not raise its head except for latex fragments. If that's the case, then getting rid of just latex fragment undoing in org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c and toggling with C-c C-x C-l is probably the best solution. It probably would be a good idea to make the handling of clock overlays similar as well and make C-c C-x C-d toggle the clock overlay state (I'd be inclined to take that out of org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c as well, since I suspect that almost nobody uses it, given the variable above and its default value - but that's only a hunch). That would leave only occur highlights to be undone by org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c - which is ugly but the function is a kitchen-sink kind of function anyway, so that's probably OK. Alternatively, make org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c undo these things as it does today, but only with a triple prefix arg (which afaict is not used today). As Nicolas would say, WDYT? -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
I actually love C-c C-c to run code blocks! Maybe I should just bind it to f5 or something, I am just so used to C-cC-c now! Grant Rettke g...@wisdomandwonder.com writes: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com wrote: The first is to use the C-c C-v C-e binding to execute source blocks rather than C-c C-c. Like this? (setq org-babel-no-eval-on-ctrl-c-ctrl-c +1) -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com writes: Thanks for the advice idea, that is a nice one. It doesn't work for me like this though: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (defadvice org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c (around latex-overlays) ignore latex overlays in C-cC-c (let ((org-latex-fragment-image-overlays nil)) ad-do-it)) #+END_SRC maybe because that is a buffer local variable? Hi John, 2014ko uztailak 14an, John Kitchin-ek idatzi zuen: I am using org-mode files with equations and code blocks in lectures, and it is problematic that C-c C-c removes the equation overlays when running a code block. First, you have to press C-c C-c twice to run the block, since the first one gets rid of the equations, but then you have run C-c C-x C-l to get the equations back! and the cycle repeats throughout a lecture. I would prefer that the equations stay untouched, and that the code blocks run without modifying them. I think the best behavior would be for C-c C-x C-l to toggle the equations, and to remove the C-c C-c behavior for latex overlays completely. But it would be ok if this was done by a C-c C-c hook function, so that a user could remove the latex overlay without touching the org-code. Maybe a new function like this: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (defun org-toggle-latex-overlays (arg) Toggle LaTeX fragments. (interactive P) (if org-latex-fragment-image-overlays (org-remove-latex-fragment-image-overlays) (org-preview-latex-fragment arg))) #+END_SRC could be added. Any thoughts? I don’t have a comment on the substance of the proposal, but rather two suggestions for workarounds. The first is to use the C-c C-v C-e binding to execute source blocks rather than C-c C-c. The second is to let-bind ‘org-latex-fragment-image-overlays’ to nil in an advice around the ‘org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c’ function, allowing you to still use the more convenient C-c C-c binding. -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu writes: Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com writes: Thanks for the advice idea, that is a nice one. It doesn't work for me like this though: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (defadvice org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c (around latex-overlays) ignore latex overlays in C-cC-c (let ((org-latex-fragment-image-overlays nil)) ad-do-it)) #+END_SRC maybe because that is a buffer local variable? You probably forgot to activate it: (ad-activate 'org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c) -- Nick
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
C-c C-v C-e might seem like a lot but it nice to have control and be sure when code is getting evaluated. That said, I do have a more obvious one using super which is indeed, super: (local-set-key (kbd s-t) 'org-babel-tangle) (local-set-key (kbd s-e) 'org-babel-execute-maybe) Grant Rettke | ACM, ASA, FSF, IEEE, SIAM g...@wisdomandwonder.com | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ “Wisdom begins in wonder.” --Socrates ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.” --Thompson On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:00 PM, John Kitchin jkitc...@andrew.cmu.edu wrote: I actually love C-c C-c to run code blocks! Maybe I should just bind it to f5 or something, I am just so used to C-cC-c now! Grant Rettke g...@wisdomandwonder.com writes: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com wrote: The first is to use the C-c C-v C-e binding to execute source blocks rather than C-c C-c. Like this? (setq org-babel-no-eval-on-ctrl-c-ctrl-c +1) -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
[O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
I am using org-mode files with equations and code blocks in lectures, and it is problematic that C-c C-c removes the equation overlays when running a code block. First, you have to press C-c C-c twice to run the block, since the first one gets rid of the equations, but then you have run C-c C-x C-l to get the equations back! and the cycle repeats throughout a lecture. I would prefer that the equations stay untouched, and that the code blocks run without modifying them. I think the best behavior would be for C-c C-x C-l to toggle the equations, and to remove the C-c C-c behavior for latex overlays completely. But it would be ok if this was done by a C-c C-c hook function, so that a user could remove the latex overlay without touching the org-code. Maybe a new function like this: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (defun org-toggle-latex-overlays (arg) Toggle LaTeX fragments. (interactive P) (if org-latex-fragment-image-overlays (org-remove-latex-fragment-image-overlays) (org-preview-latex-fragment arg))) #+END_SRC could be added. Any thoughts? -- --- John Kitchin Professor
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
Hi John, 2014ko uztailak 14an, John Kitchin-ek idatzi zuen: I am using org-mode files with equations and code blocks in lectures, and it is problematic that C-c C-c removes the equation overlays when running a code block. First, you have to press C-c C-c twice to run the block, since the first one gets rid of the equations, but then you have run C-c C-x C-l to get the equations back! and the cycle repeats throughout a lecture. I would prefer that the equations stay untouched, and that the code blocks run without modifying them. I think the best behavior would be for C-c C-x C-l to toggle the equations, and to remove the C-c C-c behavior for latex overlays completely. But it would be ok if this was done by a C-c C-c hook function, so that a user could remove the latex overlay without touching the org-code. Maybe a new function like this: #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp (defun org-toggle-latex-overlays (arg) Toggle LaTeX fragments. (interactive P) (if org-latex-fragment-image-overlays (org-remove-latex-fragment-image-overlays) (org-preview-latex-fragment arg))) #+END_SRC could be added. Any thoughts? I don’t have a comment on the substance of the proposal, but rather two suggestions for workarounds. The first is to use the C-c C-v C-e binding to execute source blocks rather than C-c C-c. The second is to let-bind ‘org-latex-fragment-image-overlays’ to nil in an advice around the ‘org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c’ function, allowing you to still use the more convenient C-c C-c binding. -- Aaron Ecay
Re: [O] proposal to make C-c C-c not remove latex overlays
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Aaron Ecay aarone...@gmail.com wrote: The first is to use the C-c C-v C-e binding to execute source blocks rather than C-c C-c. Like this? (setq org-babel-no-eval-on-ctrl-c-ctrl-c +1)
