Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
On Jun 25, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Daniel Clemente wrote: So, what do you think ? Is this a direction you'd want org-mode to go ? Please, share your feedback suggestions ! I think that the main interest of this will not only be to make a buffer pretty, but to show information in ways which are easier or more comfortable to understand. For instance: - showing completion status of a task: icons could form a progress bar, like [..], green if 50%, red elsewhere Nice. - marking the tasks with a color from a gradient which represents something; for instance: the more recently you have clocked a task, the redder (hotter) it is Well, not so useful, I think. - the amount of children/text a collapsed tree has (a big lack I have noticed in org-mode). The icon could try to offer a mini-representation of whether the tree has little content, some content, or much content Very useful, but expensive to implement. - in agenda view, an „only icons“ view would be able to show much information in little space. For instance, the distribution of projects/categories/tags in a month Just some ideas. I am beginning to see that this could in fact be useful, thanks for your post. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
Could someone provide a little more detail on how to use this please? I can see one has to clone the git repo, but then what? The readme just says to patch the org mode code. Which version of the org code? What is the org.el in the org-icons lisp dir? How does one patch? Thanks for any help, r. Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 25, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Daniel Clemente wrote: So, what do you think ? Is this a direction you'd want org-mode to go ? Please, share your feedback suggestions ! I think that the main interest of this will not only be to make a buffer pretty, but to show information in ways which are easier or more comfortable to understand. For instance: - showing completion status of a task: icons could form a progress bar, like [..], green if 50%, red elsewhere Nice. - marking the tasks with a color from a gradient which represents something; for instance: the more recently you have clocked a task, the redder (hotter) it is Well, not so useful, I think. - the amount of children/text a collapsed tree has (a big lack I have noticed in org-mode). The icon could try to offer a mini-representation of whether the tree has little content, some content, or much content Very useful, but expensive to implement. - in agenda view, an „only icons“ view would be able to show much information in little space. For instance, the distribution of projects/categories/tags in a month Just some ideas. I am beginning to see that this could in fact be useful, thanks for your post. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
2009/6/24 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com Could you guys please first explain the ;; This part is buggy (sorry) comment in the patch? Err... this just reflects my current lack of expressiveness in elisp... don't make me blush :-/ What David meant was not to ask you to integrate a ready-to-go patch, but just to ask you to have a first look at the changes need to be made to org.el, and tell us if you'd be inclined to accept them, when they are ready. The changes only consists in adding more hooks to org's font locking mechanism --- at least that's the idea ; the probability of mistakes in my implementation is above 100%... Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Nicolas Girard wrote: 2009/6/24 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com Could you guys please first explain the ;; This part is buggy (sorry) comment in the patch? Err... this just reflects my current lack of expressiveness in elisp... don't make me blush :-/ I am not complaining, no need to blush. The patch looks good. It does not add any hooks though, it moves some of the font-lock functionality into special functions that will then be overwritten by the org-icons package. A bit of a brute force approach, but it may actually be the right thing for this purpose. I think I can easily apply the patch - I even like the fact that it cleans up the font locking a bit and moves stuff into functions. But if this patch is preliminary, keep working on it and give me a more complete version when done. Best wishes - Carsten What David meant was not to ask you to integrate a ready-to-go patch, but just to ask you to have a first look at the changes need to be made to org.el, and tell us if you'd be inclined to accept them, when they are ready. The changes only consists in adding more hooks to org's font locking mechanism --- at least that's the idea ; the probability of mistakes in my implementation is above 100%... Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
2009/6/24 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Nicolas Girard wrote: 2009/6/24 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com Could you guys please first explain the ;; This part is buggy (sorry) comment in the patch? Err... this just reflects my current lack of expressiveness in elisp... don't make me blush :-/ I am not complaining, no need to blush. The patch looks good. It does not add any hooks though, it moves some of the font-lock functionality into special functions that will then be overwritten by the org-icons package. Actually I tried to mimic the already existing code, e.g. org-font-lock-add-priority-faces. A bit of a brute force approach, but it may actually be the right thing for this purpose. I'm unsure it's the best approach either. I'm wondering that all these (while (re-search-forward)) could slow things down. I'm not sure I fully understand the font-locking code, but it seems like it performs several -- possibly many -- regexp searches on one part of the buffer, alternatively adding or removing text properties, right ? I'm just wondering, could this be rewritten as one or several state machines, that would trigger text properties addition/removal only once for a given part of the buffer ? I think I can easily apply the patch - I even like the fact that it cleans up the font locking a bit and moves stuff into functions. But if this patch is preliminary, keep working on it and give me a more complete version when done. Well, thanks for your support ! By the way, you didn't give your opinion on using icons yourself. Please confess us, are you a text-only addicted kind of guy, or a flashy, glossy icons amateur...? Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
Hi Nicolas, I just took the two minutes to clone your repo and install the patch. It's working great. Easy install, no delay in re-display. Cool stuff! This is what all that I found to complain about so far: It should be `org-icons-default-directory' in the docs on the frontpage? Nicolas Girard nicolas.gir...@nerim.net writes: Well, thanks for your support ! By the way, you didn't give your opinion on using icons yourself. Please confess us, are you a text-only addicted kind of guy, or a flashy, glossy icons amateur...? As for me, I see saw between eye candy is great and console-only :) The last one, because eye candy slows my old machine down in many cases, which org-icons does not. Minor quirk: The TODO states are less visible with the default theme. This is because the org-headline faces I use. The stars of a headline are the same size as the icons. Good work :) - thanks! Best wishes Sebastian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
On Jun 24, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Nicolas Girard wrote: 2009/6/24 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com On Jun 24, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Nicolas Girard wrote: 2009/6/24 Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com Could you guys please first explain the ;; This part is buggy (sorry) comment in the patch? Err... this just reflects my current lack of expressiveness in elisp... don't make me blush :-/ I am not complaining, no need to blush. The patch looks good. It does not add any hooks though, it moves some of the font-lock functionality into special functions that will then be overwritten by the org-icons package. Actually I tried to mimic the already existing code, e.g. org-font- lock-add-priority-faces. A bit of a brute force approach, but it may actually be the right thing for this purpose. I'm unsure it's the best approach either. I'm wondering that all these (while (re-search-forward)) could slow things down. I don't think these functions should do a while regexp search. Finding the next match, leaving the cursor after it, and returning t if something was found should be enough, font-lock will then call the function multiple times if needed to address the entire visible part of the screen. Also, searching for the special keywords could maybe be combined into a single regexp. Might be faster. I'm not sure I fully understand the font-locking code, but it seems like it performs several -- possibly many -- regexp searches on one part of the buffer, alternatively adding or removing text properties, right ? Yes. And font-lock decides about the region to cover. I'm just wondering, could this be rewritten as one or several state machines, that would trigger text properties addition/removal only once for a given part of the buffer ? This is how font-lock works. While typing, it constantly rechecks the current line and stuff close to it, but not the entire buffer. Sometimes more is needed, for example inserting a double quote makes the entire rest of the buffer a string.. I think I can easily apply the patch - I even like the fact that it cleans up the font locking a bit and moves stuff into functions. But if this patch is preliminary, keep working on it and give me a more complete version when done. Well, thanks for your support ! By the way, you didn't give your opinion on using icons yourself. Please confess us, are you a text-only addicted kind of guy, or a flashy, glossy icons amateur...? To be honest, I was not excited when I first saw David's icons. Yours look a lot better - but I don't expect to use them myself. But others seem to think differently, and I am not going to stand in the way if the impact on normal Org-mode performance is unnoticeable. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
So, what do you think ? Is this a direction you'd want org-mode to go ? Please, share your feedback suggestions ! I think that the main interest of this will not only be to make a buffer pretty, but to show information in ways which are easier or more comfortable to understand. For instance: - showing completion status of a task: icons could form a progress bar, like [..], green if 50%, red elsewhere - marking the tasks with a color from a gradient which represents something; for instance: the more recently you have clocked a task, the redder (hotter) it is - the amount of children/text a collapsed tree has (a big lack I have noticed in org-mode). The icon could try to offer a mini-representation of whether the tree has little content, some content, or much content - in agenda view, an „only icons“ view would be able to show much information in little space. For instance, the distribution of projects/categories/tags in a month Just some ideas. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
Hi all, a while ago, David mentionned that at least two people from the #org-mode IRC channel would be interested in having pretty icons in org-mode buffers. I have to confess I'm the second one :-) After a little experimentation, I ended up with the results shown in these screenshots [1] [2]. The code can be found on github [3]. Currently, it is not based on overlays, like David's linkd.el, but on display properties. It is still unclear which of the approach is the best, but as David offered his help and is by far more skilled in elisp than I, hopefully these kind of implementation details will be solved quickly and the code will become actually useable. As for the icons, I make them from scratch using Inkscape and the Tango [4] colour palette. So, what do you think ? Is this a direction you'd want org-mode to go ? Please, share your feedback suggestions ! Also, I was thinking that putting such kind of screenshots in org-mode's website could make us gain a little more votes... Cheers, Nicolas [1] http://github.com/ngirard/org-icons/blob/20ab287cd6ab5a5bb3fc8dfc6524f3dd1ab29b2e/example/screenshot1.png [2] http://github.com/ngirard/org-icons/blob/20ab287cd6ab5a5bb3fc8dfc6524f3dd1ab29b2e/example/screenshot2.png [3] http://github.com/ngirard/org-icons/tree/master [4] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
Hi everyone, I really like Nicolas' icons, and I am developing an Emacs color-theme that coordinates with them (screenshots soon!) I've also agreed to help out with the code, since I wrote some similar stuff a while back. Carsten: right now this code requires a patch to org.el, but I'm not sure how much effect it has on other code---can you peek at the patch and see if this icons code could be made to run on a stock org.el by integrating the patch? On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Nicolas Girard nicolas.gir...@nerim.netwrote: Hi all, a while ago, David mentionned that at least two people from the #org-mode IRC channel would be interested in having pretty icons in org-mode buffers. I have to confess I'm the second one :-) After a little experimentation, I ended up with the results shown in these screenshots [1] [2]. The code can be found on github [3]. Currently, it is not based on overlays, like David's linkd.el, but on display properties. It is still unclear which of the approach is the best, but as David offered his help and is by far more skilled in elisp than I, hopefully these kind of implementation details will be solved quickly and the code will become actually useable. As for the icons, I make them from scratch using Inkscape and the Tango [4] colour palette. So, what do you think ? Is this a direction you'd want org-mode to go ? Please, share your feedback suggestions ! Also, I was thinking that putting such kind of screenshots in org-mode's website could make us gain a little more votes... Cheers, Nicolas [1] http://github.com/ngirard/org-icons/blob/20ab287cd6ab5a5bb3fc8dfc6524f3dd1ab29b2e/example/screenshot1.png [2] http://github.com/ngirard/org-icons/blob/20ab287cd6ab5a5bb3fc8dfc6524f3dd1ab29b2e/example/screenshot2.png [3] http://github.com/ngirard/org-icons/tree/master [4] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
I'm sorry, the patch is in Nicolas' github repo: http://github.com/ngirard/org-icons/blob/b8be3d85b87c4fe6ce31cdc931fd1b77bb170a5c/lisp/org-icons.patch On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: David O'Toole dto1...@gmail.com writes: Carsten: right now this code requires a patch to org.el, but I'm not sure how much effect it has on other code---can you peek at the patch and see if this icons code could be made to run on a stock org.el by integrating the patch? (David, I think you forgot the patch...) -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [ANN] org-icons.el
Could you guys please first explain the ;; This part is buggy (sorry) comment in the patch? Thanks. - Carsten On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:16 AM, David O'Toole wrote: I'm sorry, the patch is in Nicolas' github repo: http://github.com/ngirard/org-icons/blob/b8be3d85b87c4fe6ce31cdc931fd1b77bb170a5c/lisp/org-icons.patch On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: David O'Toole dto1...@gmail.com writes: Carsten: right now this code requires a patch to org.el, but I'm not sure how much effect it has on other code---can you peek at the patch and see if this icons code could be made to run on a stock org.el by integrating the patch? (David, I think you forgot the patch...) -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
