Re: [Orgmode] [BUG] adding new plain lists item changes previous one it it ends in a number on a single lijne followed by a dot
On 2/3/11 3:09 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: Hello, Christian Moe writes: Numbers at the beginning of the line inadvertently starting a list item is a bug. You call it a bug, but it is actually the Org definition of a numbered item. This is in the manual. Though, I think I understand what you mean: this definition can lead to surprising results. But the user is warned in the documentation. I'm sorry, that was silly of me, and I take it back. You and Achim Gratz are both right. If it follows from the specification, and the manual warns about it, it's not a bug. I'm usually the first to point that out to others... don't know what got into me. It means you can mess up your exported document (it doesn't just happen at M-RET) by just writing a perfectly normal text, and there is no easy-to-remember escape. (I really don't like the invisible-space workaround -- it's hard to remember how to insert it, and it's a bizarre trick to have to tell newcomers.) ReStructuredText provides a backslash-escape for this, even though its more rigid structure reduces the chances of the error happening. Could we borrow that trick, or would it conflict with something else? I don't follow you here. Inserting a non-breaking space (it was only an example, by the way) is an unacceptable trick to tell to newcomers but adding a backslash in front of numbers isn't? It looks the same to me. Sorry I put it that way, that wasn't helpful. Backslash too was just an example. In this case, an example of a typical escape character that's right there on my keyboard. I'm not saying it looks better than what you get with `C-q 240' or similar, but it's easy to remember. As long as Org cannot tell between an ordered item and a number at the end of a sentence, those problems will persist. And I can't see any non-hackish solution about it. Absolutely. We can always change `org-plain-list-ordered-item-terminator' default value to the safer ?), though. As you've pointed out, there's a setting for us to tweak if we want this, and changing the default would probably cause greater annoyances for more people. So I'm not urging that. I'll try to make friends with the invisible non-breaking space. :) Yours, Christian ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [BUG] adding new plain lists item changes previous one it it ends in a number on a single lijne followed by a dot
Hi, For once, I have to disagree: Numbers at the beginning of the line inadvertently starting a list item is a bug. It means you can mess up your exported document (it doesn't just happen at M-RET) by just writing a perfectly normal text, and there is no easy-to-remember escape. (I really don't like the invisible-space workaround -- it's hard to remember how to insert it, and it's a bizarre trick to have to tell newcomers.) ReStructuredText provides a backslash-escape for this, even though its more rigid structure reduces the chances of the error happening. Could we borrow that trick, or would it conflict with something else? E.g. --- - Several astonishing things happened in \2007. - And then there was another item. - X --- Yours, Christian On 2/2/11 10:16 PM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: Hello, Gregor Zattler writes: adding a new list item via M-RET (org-insert-heading) may change text in a previous list item, if this ends in a number on a single line followed by a dot: --- - Several astonishing things happened in 2007. - And then there was another item. - X --- Note that 2007. has changed to 1. in line 2. Yes, and unfortunately, I don't see any solution here. It isn't really a bug: a line starting with white space, followed by a number sticked to a dot is exactly the definition, regexp wise, of a list item (as explained in `org-plain-list-ordered-item-terminator' doc-string). That's why removing the dot solves the problem. There are two workarounds I can think of, at the moment: 1. Use (setq org-plain-list-ordered-item-terminator ?)). But that will affect every ordered list. 2. Insert some invisible char (non-breaking space ) in front of the item, or just after the dot. But this requires manual changes every time the problem arises. As a side-note, this problem isn't specific to recent versions of Org. For example, in 6.33, use M-RET at X in the following example: --- - Several astonishing things happened in 2007. And then there was another item.X --- Regards, -- Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [BUG] adding new plain lists item changes previous one it it ends in a number on a single lijne followed by a dot
Hello, Christian Moe writes: Numbers at the beginning of the line inadvertently starting a list item is a bug. You call it a bug, but it is actually the Org definition of a numbered item. This is in the manual. Though, I think I understand what you mean: this definition can lead to surprising results. But the user is warned in the documentation. It means you can mess up your exported document (it doesn't just happen at M-RET) by just writing a perfectly normal text, and there is no easy-to-remember escape. (I really don't like the invisible-space workaround -- it's hard to remember how to insert it, and it's a bizarre trick to have to tell newcomers.) See the solution 1 posted before. This is the original solution, although, admittedly, similar problems will resurface with numbers and parenthesis, albeit less frequently. ReStructuredText provides a backslash-escape for this, even though its more rigid structure reduces the chances of the error happening. Could we borrow that trick, or would it conflict with something else? I don't follow you here. Inserting a non-breaking space (it was only an example, by the way) is an unacceptable trick to tell to newcomers but adding a backslash in front of numbers isn't? It looks the same to me. As long as Org cannot tell between an ordered item and a number at the end of a sentence, those problems will persist. And I can't see any non-hackish solution about it. We can always change `org-plain-list-ordered-item-terminator' default value to the safer ?), though. Regards, -- Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [BUG] adding new plain lists item changes previous one it it ends in a number on a single lijne followed by a dot
Hello, Jeff Horn writes: What about a compromise? I envision an editable variable called org-plain-list-regexp-delimiter (in the same vein as org-export-latex-emphasis-alist) that is a list of delimiters recognized for plain lists. I rarely use periods (always use parentheses), so the value of this variable could default to the current behavior, but be customizable to remove specific delimiters from the list. It is certainly doable, but it wouldn't help for the problem at hand. There is already a way to not use dots (this is the solution you envision), but only parenthesis, as numbered items separators. Regards, -- Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [BUG] adding new plain lists item changes previous one it it ends in a number on a single lijne followed by a dot
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com wrote: It is certainly doable, but it wouldn't help for the problem at hand. There is already a way to not use dots (this is the solution you envision), but only parenthesis, as numbered items separators. Is there a variable? It would appear there is. It seems like it should solve the problem. Anyone know why it doesn't? ,[ org-plain-list-ordered-item-terminator ] | The character that makes a line with leading number an ordered list item. | Valid values are ?. and ?). To get both terminators, use t. While | ?. may look nicer, it creates the danger that a line with leading | number may be incorrectly interpreted as an item. ?) therefore is | the safe choice. ` -- Jeffrey Horn http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] [BUG] adding new plain lists item changes previous one it it ends in a number on a single lijne followed by a dot
Dear org-mode developers, adding a new list item via M-RET (org-insert-heading) may change text in a previous list item, if this ends in a number on a single line followed by a dot: --- - Several astonishing things happened in 2007. - And then there was another item.X --- When typing M-RET with cursor at X I would expect the following outcome (again with X marking the cursor position): --- - Several astonishing things happened in 2007. - And then there was another item. - X --- This is the correct result when using Emacs 23.2 with its org-mode 6.33. But with today's org-mode Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.4.300.g0b7c) I instead get: --- - Several astonishing things happened in 1. - And then there was another item. - X --- Note that 2007. has changed to 1. in line 2. The same bug is present in the maintenance version Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.4.3.g76a2). This only happens when the number is followed by a dot. Without the dot both new versions of org-mode do not change the number on the last line of the first item. I did all tests with emacs -nw -Q and with Emacs 23.2 and 24.0.50 as of 2011-01-16. Fixing bugs in org-mode is beyond me. Ciao; Gregor -- -... --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ...-.- ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [BUG] adding new plain lists item changes previous one it it ends in a number on a single lijne followed by a dot
I can reproduce this in org-mode 7.4 with emacs 24. This occurs most often for me when listing a bibliography in a plain list when I have auto-fill-mode on. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Gregor Zattler telegr...@gmx.net wrote: Dear org-mode developers, adding a new list item via M-RET (org-insert-heading) may change text in a previous list item, if this ends in a number on a single line followed by a dot: --- - Several astonishing things happened in 2007. - And then there was another item.X --- When typing M-RET with cursor at X I would expect the following outcome (again with X marking the cursor position): --- - Several astonishing things happened in 2007. - And then there was another item. - X --- This is the correct result when using Emacs 23.2 with its org-mode 6.33. But with today's org-mode Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.4.300.g0b7c) I instead get: --- - Several astonishing things happened in 1. - And then there was another item. - X --- Note that 2007. has changed to 1. in line 2. The same bug is present in the maintenance version Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.4.3.g76a2). This only happens when the number is followed by a dot. Without the dot both new versions of org-mode do not change the number on the last line of the first item. I did all tests with emacs -nw -Q and with Emacs 23.2 and 24.0.50 as of 2011-01-16. Fixing bugs in org-mode is beyond me. Ciao; Gregor -- -... --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ...-.- ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Jeffrey Horn http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [BUG] adding new plain lists item changes previous one it it ends in a number on a single lijne followed by a dot
Hello, Gregor Zattler writes: adding a new list item via M-RET (org-insert-heading) may change text in a previous list item, if this ends in a number on a single line followed by a dot: --- - Several astonishing things happened in 2007. - And then there was another item. - X --- Note that 2007. has changed to 1. in line 2. Yes, and unfortunately, I don't see any solution here. It isn't really a bug: a line starting with white space, followed by a number sticked to a dot is exactly the definition, regexp wise, of a list item (as explained in `org-plain-list-ordered-item-terminator' doc-string). That's why removing the dot solves the problem. There are two workarounds I can think of, at the moment: 1. Use (setq org-plain-list-ordered-item-terminator ?)). But that will affect every ordered list. 2. Insert some invisible char (non-breaking space ) in front of the item, or just after the dot. But this requires manual changes every time the problem arises. As a side-note, this problem isn't specific to recent versions of Org. For example, in 6.33, use M-RET at X in the following example: --- - Several astonishing things happened in 2007. And then there was another item.X --- Regards, -- Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
