Re: [Orgmode] [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) + some comments
On Sep 19, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: Eric S Fraga writes: So you are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you cannot have something like this: --8---cut here---start-8--- 1. some text - a nested list - with two items some more text for the first numbered item - another nested list - with two items 2. the second outer list item --8---cut here---end---8--- Exactly. If so, why not? This would seem to be quite a likely and useful scenario. It would require a slightly different model with an added depth of complexity. To tell the truth, I had looked into this, but hadn't found a satisfying (clean) solution. One clean solution I can think of is to allow terminating a list with a special item, like - one - a - b - @ (this means sublist ends here) One could also have - @ to mean closing two levels. This would allow stable indentation control. - Carsten For example, how should Org handle indentation of such a line, or any line within the list? Should it round the indentation to the closest level of a sub-list? And if you add a new line, should the user insert spaces to reach the desired level of sub-list, or should Org TAB-cycle indentation through every level of the list? Wouldn't this be painful on deeply nested lists? If the list is so long that you can't display it's first items, what happens when you want to end the 4th of 6 sub-lists? Could you remember what proper indentation is needed? Those questions are more rhetorical than anything else. My point is just that this kind of scenario, while certainly doable, would need more thought, and much more work to implement. Is it _that_ useful? I do this all the time in latex and I was sure that I had done this before in org. Is my recollection wrong? Was this not possible before? As far as I remember, LaTeX exporter has never been able to parse this, though the HTML one did. Note that a TAB on your line of text was (i.e. in the latest stable release) indenting it past the second nested list item. That signifies even Org wasn't understanding properly the meaning of your list. Regards, -- Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) + some comments
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 11:24:09 +0200, Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com wrote: Eric S Fraga writes: So you are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you cannot have something like this: --8---cut here---start-8--- 1. some text - a nested list - with two items some more text for the first numbered item - another nested list - with two items 2. the second outer list item --8---cut here---end---8--- Exactly. If so, why not? This would seem to be quite a likely and useful scenario. It would require a slightly different model with an added depth of complexity. To tell the truth, I had looked into this, but hadn't found a satisfying (clean) solution. Okay. For example, how should Org handle indentation of such a line, or any line within the list? Should it round the indentation to the closest level of a sub-list? Good question! I don't know the answer to this. [...] Those questions are more rhetorical than anything else. My point is just that this kind of scenario, while certainly doable, would need more thought, and much more work to implement. Is it _that_ useful? I think it would be useful but not having it is definitely not a show stopper! It has come up as an issue for me recently because I have been managing the writing of a proposal with contributions from many authors and some of those authors like having multiple lists within other lists. It was when exporting a draft of the whole document that I realised that I was losing text, but I only noticed this because I lost a whole section which was several pages long! I think the key is not necessarily to support multiple sub-lists within an item but to *ensure* that no text is lost in export. I can see at a glance possibly whether text is formatted correctly but I cannot tell as easily that text has been lost in export. When working on a 30+ page document, this is crucial. From your previous message, it sounds like you have a fix for the lost text issue; that would be the main improvement for my usage. I do this all the time in latex and I was sure that I had done this before in org. Is my recollection wrong? Was this not possible before? As far as I remember, LaTeX exporter has never been able to parse this, though the HTML one did. That could very well be. Thanks, eric -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) + some comments
Eric S Fraga writes: So you are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you cannot have something like this: --8---cut here---start-8--- 1. some text - a nested list - with two items some more text for the first numbered item - another nested list - with two items 2. the second outer list item --8---cut here---end---8--- Exactly. If so, why not? This would seem to be quite a likely and useful scenario. It would require a slightly different model with an added depth of complexity. To tell the truth, I had looked into this, but hadn't found a satisfying (clean) solution. For example, how should Org handle indentation of such a line, or any line within the list? Should it round the indentation to the closest level of a sub-list? And if you add a new line, should the user insert spaces to reach the desired level of sub-list, or should Org TAB-cycle indentation through every level of the list? Wouldn't this be painful on deeply nested lists? If the list is so long that you can't display it's first items, what happens when you want to end the 4th of 6 sub-lists? Could you remember what proper indentation is needed? Those questions are more rhetorical than anything else. My point is just that this kind of scenario, while certainly doable, would need more thought, and much more work to implement. Is it _that_ useful? I do this all the time in latex and I was sure that I had done this before in org. Is my recollection wrong? Was this not possible before? As far as I remember, LaTeX exporter has never been able to parse this, though the HTML one did. Note that a TAB on your line of text was (i.e. in the latest stable release) indenting it past the second nested list item. That signifies even Org wasn't understanding properly the meaning of your list. Regards, -- Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) + some comments
Hello, Sébastien Vauban writes: 1) Ask for it. 2) Make it, answering the following questions: - Got the docs? - Signed them? - Checked it? THIS LINE DOES NOT SHOW UP in LaTeX!!! The whole list should indeed end at this line. I sent a patch correcting this. * Other remarks - Before, if I remember good, the sequence of list levels was: =-=, =+=, =*=, =1.= and =1)=. Now, the last two have been inverted: first, =1)=, then =1.=. Just a tiny detail (was used to it). I hadn't noticed that before and the doc-string of `org-cycle-list-bullet' says you are right. Fixed. - When =S-right arrowing= this line twice, I *sometimes* get my list items transformed into headlines... Though, I cannot repeat with as many times as I want... Conditions still strange to me. I cannot reproduce it at the moment. Please tell me if you have more data about it. Regards, -- Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) + some comments
Hello, Eric S Fraga writes: However, more strange behaviour appears as soon as you have multiple nested lists. Just to avoid any misconception: if I get it correctly, what you do call multiple nested lists cannot exist. You can have nested lists, but no more than one sub-list at each level. As soon as a line is less indented than the preceding item of the list, *all* sub-lists end at that line. Regards, -- Nicolas ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) + some comments
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:02:24 +0200, Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Eric S Fraga writes: However, more strange behaviour appears as soon as you have multiple nested lists. Just to avoid any misconception: if I get it correctly, what you do call multiple nested lists cannot exist. You can have nested lists, but no more than one sub-list at each level. As soon as a line is less indented than the preceding item of the list, *all* sub-lists end at that line. Regards, -- Nicolas So you are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you cannot have something like this: --8---cut here---start-8--- 1. some text - a nested list - with two items some more text for the first numbered item - another nested list - with two items 2. the second outer list item --8---cut here---end---8--- If so, why not? This would seem to be quite a likely and useful scenario. I do this all the time in latex and I was sure that I had done this before in org. Is my recollection wrong? Was this not possible before? -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) + some comments
Hi Nicolas, --8---cut here---start-8--- #+TITLE: Problems in LaTeX with nested list levels #+LANGUAGE: en_US * Imaginary example We have two steps: 1) Ask for it. 2) Make it, answering the following questions: - Got the docs? - Signed them? - Checked it? THIS LINE DOES NOT SHOW UP in LaTeX!!! After the 2-steps model, we... * Other remarks - Before, if I remember good, the sequence of list levels was: =-=, =+=, =*=, =1.= and =1)=. Now, the last two have been inverted: first, =1)=, then =1.=. Just a tiny detail (was used to it). - When =S-right arrowing= this line twice, I *sometimes* get my list items transformed into headlines... Though, I cannot repeat with as many times as I want... Conditions still strange to me. * Variables In my =.emacs= file, I have: #+begin_src emacs-lisp ;; an empty line does not end all plain list levels (setq org-empty-line-terminates-plain-lists nil) ;; default value (setq org-list-ending-method 'both) #+end_src --8---cut here---end---8--- Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) + some comments
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:01:58 +0200, Sébastien Vauban
wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote:
Hi Nicolas,
--8---cut here---start-8---
#+TITLE: Problems in LaTeX with nested list levels
#+LANGUAGE: en_US
* Imaginary example
We have two steps:
1) Ask for it.
2) Make it, answering the following questions:
- Got the docs?
- Signed them?
- Checked it?
THIS LINE DOES NOT SHOW UP in LaTeX!!!
I can confirm this with:
: Org-mode version 7.01trans (release_7.01h.514.g878d)
: GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.0)
: of 2010-08-14 on raven, modified by Debian
it appears the nested lists within an item that is to continue makes
all remaining text within that item disappear. I actually had this
problem three days ago with a very large document in which whole
sections disappeared but, as it was 3am, I thought it was me doing
something silly.
if the line after the nested list is not indented, it appears in the
exported file albeit not part of the enumerated list.
However, more strange behaviour appears as soon as you have multiple
nested lists. Consider this org snippet:
--8---cut here---start-8---
Consider the following list:
1. the first numbered item
- the first item
- the second
- not the fourth
followed by some paragraph that is indented which disappears on latex export.
- another nested list but this appears in the outer list
- as does this!
and some more text which does appear.
and now something that is not indented.
--8---cut here---end---8---
this generates:
--8---cut here---start-8---
Consider the following list:
\begin{itemize}
\item the first numbered item
\begin{itemize}
\item the first item
\item the second
\item not the fourth
\end{itemize}
\item another nested list but this appears in the outer list
\item as does this
and some more text which does appear.
\end{itemize}
and now something that is not indented.
--8---cut here---end---8---
notice that the outer list is itemize and not enumerate.
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
;; an empty line does not end all plain list levels
(setq org-empty-line-terminates-plain-lists nil)
;; default value
(setq org-list-ending-method 'both)
#+end_src
I have these same settings.
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Eric S Fraga
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