[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Hi Matthias, On 22 October 2010 05:27, Matthias Danzl wrote: > On 10/21/2010 10:10 AM, suvayu ali wrote: >> On 20 October 2010 20:40, Nick Dokos wrote: >>> Given the mangling that mailers do to replies (e.g. the idiotic default >>> top posting of Thunderbird and its ilk), how they handle signatures, and >>> the non-standard nature of signatures themselves, I'd say this is pretty >>> much hopeless. >> >> After our discussion yesterday, I did some research. Didn't find >> anything +ve. I am considering switching to mutt. :) > > Hello!! > > I didn't read the entire thread on this, but I like to add that Thunderbird > can be customized in where and how it posts the original message in replies > (Account Settings -> Composition). AND it has support for an external > editor [0]. I'm using Thunderbird 3 + emacs. You even can use a single > Profile > cross-platform! > > However, thanks for boxquote.el, it's pretty nice! > > [0] http://globs.org/articles.php?pg=2&lng=en Download and install "External > Editor" and set it to launch a simple emacsclient > I have been using External Editor, tbemail.el and emacsclient for many months now. Its great, better than before. But still it leaves me wanting for more Emacs integration. My recent search for an emailer started when I realised Thunderbird's attachment facility is pretty much beyond my control. Cheers, -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
On 10/21/2010 10:10 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > On 20 October 2010 20:40, Nick Dokos wrote: >> Given the mangling that mailers do to replies (e.g. the idiotic default >> top posting of Thunderbird and its ilk), how they handle signatures, and >> the non-standard nature of signatures themselves, I'd say this is pretty >> much hopeless. > > After our discussion yesterday, I did some research. Didn't find > anything +ve. I am considering switching to mutt. :) Hello!! I didn't read the entire thread on this, but I like to add that Thunderbird can be customized in where and how it posts the original message in replies (Account Settings -> Composition). AND it has support for an external editor [0]. I'm using Thunderbird 3 + emacs. You even can use a single Profile cross-platform! However, thanks for boxquote.el, it's pretty nice! [0] http://globs.org/articles.php?pg=2&lng=en Download and install "External Editor" and set it to launch a simple emacsclient ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Sébastien Vauban writes: > --8<---cut here---start->8--- > date > --8<---cut here---end--->8--- > > is still good. for code.. ;-) and maybe supported in other emailers > than Gnus? I'm not sure, but `C-u C-c M-m' inserts verbatim marks that are at least understood by slrn (and Gnus). #v+ date #v- Bye, Tassilo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Hi Nick, Nick Dokos wrote: > Jeff Horn wrote: > I use boxquote.el (see http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BoxQuote) for the > above style, but as Samuel and Bernt point out that's not the best way > for quoting material where the recipient is expected to use the quoted > material (e.g. code snippets): extracting it from the boxquote is more > difficult than it needs to be (even if one has boxquote.el installed).[fn:1] > > For code, I use the method Bernt described: message-mark-inserted-region, > which is similar to the purely textual approach of Samuel's, but does > provide nice fontification in my mailer. > > I bind these functions to keys: C-c q for the boxquote style, C-c m for > the message style, but this is very much a matter of personal > preference. Sometimes I need boxquote-unbox, but I don't have a key for > that: I call the function with M-x ... > > [fn:1] I used boxquotes for some code once and Seb Vauban (iirc) took me > to task. I'm pretty sure I have not repeated the faux-pas. Now, I'd even advice you to use =C-c C-v C-d=, the Babel code markup. I've signed the FSF papers, and its automatic fontifying (using Org mode faces) should be integrated in the Gnus dev code. #+begin_src sh date #+end_src (see a recent thread on that) But the following: --8<---cut here---start->8--- date --8<---cut here---end--->8--- is still good. for code.. ;-) and maybe supported in other emailers than Gnus? Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Hi Nick, On 20 October 2010 20:40, Nick Dokos wrote: > Given the mangling that mailers do to replies (e.g. the idiotic default > top posting of Thunderbird and its ilk), how they handle signatures, and > the non-standard nature of signatures themselves, I'd say this is pretty > much hopeless. After our discussion yesterday, I did some research. Didn't find anything +ve. I am considering switching to mutt. :) > At least the end is a well defined place that > org-footnote-action can always find. The rest are shifting sands. > footnote-mode seems to do the trick exactly as I was hoping to. See Tassilo's response. Cheers, -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Hi Tassilo, On 21 October 2010 00:45, Tassilo Horn wrote: > suvayu ali writes: > > Hi! > >> Also in my case, the footnotes appear below the signature. I have to >> manually move it above that before sending the email. Would be awesome >> if org-footnote-action understood signatures somehow. > > Hm, I don't use org-mode and its functions when writing mails using > Gnus, but I enable footnote-mode in message-mode and then call > `Footnote-add-footnote' and friends directly. That adds footnotes > before the signature just as you want. test [1], test [2], ... > This is exactly what I was looking for, I wasn't aware of footnode-mode. Thanks a lot!! :) > Bye, > Tassilo -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
suvayu ali writes: Hi! > Also in my case, the footnotes appear below the signature. I have to > manually move it above that before sending the email. Would be awesome > if org-footnote-action understood signatures somehow. Hm, I don't use org-mode and its functions when writing mails using Gnus, but I enable footnote-mode in message-mode and then call `Footnote-add-footnote' and friends directly. That adds footnotes before the signature just as you want. test [1], test [2], ... I've checked my .emacs, but I don't have any special setup for making that work... Bye, Tassilo Footnotes: [1] foo [2] bar -- This is a test signature... ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Matt Lundin writes: > Jeff Horn writes: > >> Firstly, I notice some of the regular posters wrap org source in the >> #+ style org wrappers, others use a <--8--cut-here---8--> > >> My first question is two-fold: 1) how did you come to use this style >> for quoting code in your replies: > > As others have mentioned, I use C-c M-m (message-mark-inserted-region) > in message-mode to do the trick. > >> Secondly, and somewhat related to the first, are orgsters simply using >> gnus with message-mode hook to utilize org footnotes? I've noticed I >> can style/face the text with a message-mode hook, but I'm wondering >> how everyone deals, in general, with plain text footnotes in e-mail? >> Do you even use footnotes for sharing links? > > I simply have a global binding for org-footnote-action, which enables me > to insert footnotes anywhere.[1] > >> Lastly, are any orgsters using gnus+gmail? I've tried just reading org >> list mails in gnus, but I find switching back and forth to be jarring >> if I read org list e-mails in a browser throughout the day, since I >> end up re-reading a lot of mails. Also, mind sharing how you've mapped >> the cumbersome "B m [Gmail]/Trash" to a better key? > > If a message is worth deleting, you might consider B DEL, which > dispatches it without mercy. > In the case of gmail imap it won't delete the mail completely instead it archives. Thanks and Regards Noorul ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
suvayu ali wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > On 20 October 2010 18:55, Matt Lundin wrote: > > I simply have a global binding for org-footnote-action, which enables me > > to insert footnotes anywhere.[1] > > > > I do that too, but it shows up as [fn:1] for me. Is there some > variable I can customise to get it as [1] when I am using it outside > org-mode? > There is a variable (of course!): , | org-footnote-auto-label is a variable defined in `org-footnote.el'. | Its value is t | | Documentation: | Non-nil means define automatically new labels for footnotes. | Possible values are: | | nilprompt the user for each label | t create unique labels of the form [fn:1], [fn:2], ... | confirmlike t, but let the user edit the created value. In particular, |the label can be removed from the minibuffer, to create |an anonymous footnote. | plain Automatically create plain number labels like [1] | | You can customize this variable. ` but how to use it in the way you specify is left as an exercise for the interested reader. > Also in my case, the footnotes appear below the signature. I have to > manually move it above that before sending the email. Would be awesome > if org-footnote-action understood signatures somehow. > Given the mangling that mailers do to replies (e.g. the idiotic default top posting of Thunderbird and its ilk), how they handle signatures, and the non-standard nature of signatures themselves, I'd say this is pretty much hopeless. At least the end is a well defined place that org-footnote-action can always find. The rest are shifting sands. Of course, if you use a nice primitive mailer[1] where *you* do all the placement the way *you* like it, that's no problem at all. I can add all the footnotes I want, then M-> C-c C-s, done (that is, if I *had* a signature, which I don't - and M-> is always right, since I (almost) never top-post). Footnotes: [1] E.g. mh-e :-) Nick ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Hi Jeff, On 20 October 2010 18:55, Matt Lundin wrote: > I simply have a global binding for org-footnote-action, which enables me > to insert footnotes anywhere.[1] > I do that too, but it shows up as [fn:1] for me. Is there some variable I can customise to get it as [1] when I am using it outside org-mode? Also in my case, the footnotes appear below the signature. I have to manually move it above that before sending the email. Would be awesome if org-footnote-action understood signatures somehow. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Jeff Horn writes: > Firstly, I notice some of the regular posters wrap org source in the > #+ style org wrappers, others use a <--8--cut-here---8--> > My first question is two-fold: 1) how did you come to use this style > for quoting code in your replies: As others have mentioned, I use C-c M-m (message-mark-inserted-region) in message-mode to do the trick. > Secondly, and somewhat related to the first, are orgsters simply using > gnus with message-mode hook to utilize org footnotes? I've noticed I > can style/face the text with a message-mode hook, but I'm wondering > how everyone deals, in general, with plain text footnotes in e-mail? > Do you even use footnotes for sharing links? I simply have a global binding for org-footnote-action, which enables me to insert footnotes anywhere.[1] > Lastly, are any orgsters using gnus+gmail? I've tried just reading org > list mails in gnus, but I find switching back and forth to be jarring > if I read org list e-mails in a browser throughout the day, since I > end up re-reading a lot of mails. Also, mind sharing how you've mapped > the cumbersome "B m [Gmail]/Trash" to a better key? If a message is worth deleting, you might consider B DEL, which dispatches it without mercy. Best, Matt Footnotes: [1] It works like a charm. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Samuel Wales writes: > On 2010-10-19, Jeff Horn wrote: >> . >> | like this >> | or this >> .__ > > As it can be an obstacle for people who are new to Emacs to remove the > rectangle, > I do > > === > This > === Gnus provides a function to --8<---cut here---start->8--- wrap text like this --8<---cut here---end--->8--- using C-c M-m (message-mark-inserted-region) I have that as a global binding now (global-set-key (kbd " m") 'message-mark-inserted-region) I also use boxquote.el (global-set-key (kbd " r") 'boxquote-region) (global-set-key (kbd " f") 'boxquote-insert-file) HTH, Bernt ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Jeff Horn writes: > Dear orgsters, > > I've had a few nagging questions that I didn't think warranted too > much discussion, but my curiosity has gotten the better of me this > evening. > > Firstly, I notice some of the regular posters wrap org source in the > #+ style org wrappers, others use a <--8--cut-here---8--> or some > similar "horizontal-rule", and yet others use some sort of vertical > "quoting": > > . > | like this or this > .__ > > My first question is two-fold: 1) how did you come to use this style > for quoting code in your replies, and 2) mind sharing the macros or > letting us know what packages you use that help make your e-mails look > tidy? boxquote.el http://www.davep.org/emacs/boxquote.el , | ;; boxquote provides a set of functions for using a text quoting style | ;; that partially boxes in the left hand side of an area of text, such a | ;; marking style might be used to show externally included text or | ;; example code. ` atb Glyn ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: A few questions about how you write e-mails
Jeff Horn writes: > Dear orgsters, > > I've had a few nagging questions that I didn't think warranted too > much discussion, but my curiosity has gotten the better of me this > evening. > > Firstly, I notice some of the regular posters wrap org source in the > #+ style org wrappers, others use a <--8--cut-here---8--> or some > similar "horizontal-rule", and yet others use some sort of vertical > "quoting": > > . > | like this > | or this > .__ > > My first question is two-fold: 1) how did you come to use this style > for quoting code in your replies, and 2) mind sharing the macros or > letting us know what packages you use that help make your e-mails look > tidy? > > Secondly, and somewhat related to the first, are orgsters simply using > gnus with message-mode hook to utilize org footnotes? I've noticed I > can style/face the text with a message-mode hook, but I'm wondering > how everyone deals, in general, with plain text footnotes in e-mail? > Do you even use footnotes for sharing links? > > Lastly, are any orgsters using gnus+gmail? I've tried just reading org > list mails in gnus, but I find switching back and forth to be jarring > if I read org list e-mails in a browser throughout the day, since I > end up re-reading a lot of mails. Also, mind sharing how you've mapped > the cumbersome "B m [Gmail]/Trash" to a better key? If anyone feels > inspired, I'd use a package that utilized gmail movement shortcuts in > gnus (so mark with x, move out of inbox with e, or move to trash (as > above) with #). I have something like this in my .gnus (defun noorul/move-to-gmail-trash () (interactive) (let ((prefix (funcall gnus-move-group-prefix-function gnus-newsgroup-name))) (let ((trash (concat prefix "[Gmail]/Trash"))) (gnus-summary-move-article nil trash (gnus-define-keys gnus-summary-mode-map "\C-c\C-g" noorul/move-to-gmail-trash) Also lots of gnus imap development is going on now. The latest dev build fetches imap mail faster. But still B m is quiet slow. I hope new work will give gnus a better future. Thanks and Regards Noorul ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
