[Orgmode] Re: AI for orgmode
On 2010-03-19 17:08 +, Carsten Dominik wrote: I would be interested in a discussion on how to decrease the startup pain in a clever way. - Carsten The 88th slide says: We implemented a rule-based expert system that provides the functionality of systems like CLIPS, LISA or OPS5. Anybody on the list know how expert system can help orgmode? Leo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: AI for orgmode
I quite like Thomas' idea of packets for specific org mode uses. As a starting list consdier: writing for the web, writing for print, basic task management, full GTD, time tracking, code/LaTeX tangling. The list could obviously be edited down or up in length. Each of these packets might include Thomas' list (relevant .emacs code, sample org document, tutorial document and a screencast.) It's true that org is in some ways very simple (remember the 'taskpaper' discussion of a year ago?), for basic outlining. But it's also true that the minimal code-and-knowhow needed to do some of the specific tasks which org has proven so good at it can be a fair hurdle for a beginner to put together. In this respect the raw flexibility of org-mode (exactly like Emacs itself) has its down side. We might be able to lower the getting-started hurdle if we were able to tell people; You want to do GTD-like task management? Look here and follw the recipe. You want to outline your writing? Look here. Heaven knows you can always tweak it later. I have often thought that there would be ways to get people up and running even without the venerable Emacs tutorial. Scot ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: AI for orgmode
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Leo wrote: Thinking about my own experience, I didn't feel the pain since I gradually changing my org mode configuration over a few years. but I could understand the frustration. I would be interested in a discussion on how to decrease the startup pain in a clever way. I've always been a kind of a defeatist so take my words with a grain of salt but... People who use or are willing to use Emacs are by no means ordinary users. The have their really own preferences and habits. They (like me) even have their own visions of GTD, let alone other workflows. If they choose org-mode it is because it is super-hyper-mega-customisable. With great power comes great[1]... Software achieve gradual learning curve (thus becoming available to ordinary users) by applying sane default settings but there is no such thing for users I've just described. They (with all due respect for everyone reading this) all are kind of insane to use text editor as a PIM, aren't they (we)? Giving those people sane defaults may only make some (most?) of them give up on org-mode as it might suggest less flexibility than there actually is. On the other hand I am going to try to convince some of my colleagues to use it and they don't seem to be so weird as I am. I will probably take my configuration weed out some really personal stuff and give them as the sane default. These are of course only my 2 cents (Euro ones ;) [1] http://xkcd.com/643/ -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
