[Orgmode] Re: Alinea filling (hanlding of explicit line-breaks)
An important question here is: is it important for M-} to ignore those \\? I guess so, this is the current default Org behaviour anyhow. Good. as far as I understand, it would be anyhow possible to move point on an alinea-by-alinea basis just by configuring the tailing \\ as anohter paragraph separator. Actually, no, because paragraph-separate would cause the whole line that ends with \\ to be treated as not being part of a paragraph, and paragraph-start wouldn't be appropriate either. Hence the good above :-( Of course fill-paragraph-function sucks because it only applies to fill-paragraph and not to fill-region. Do you mean that `fill-paragraph-function' is some kind of obsolete feature and that people should use another kind of hook, and if so which one? Yes and no: there is no replacement for it. There is fill-forward-paragraph-function, which can handle some of the cases for which fill-paragraph-function has been used, but there would need to be something like a fill-region-as-paragraph-function and we don't have that yet :-( Stefan ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Alinea filling (hanlding of explicit line-breaks)
Maybe an example is better to explain what I need, imagine that I have the following two paragraphs: [...] Where I assumed that alineas are separated by either an empty line or a tailing `\\' while paragraphs are separated by just an empty line. An important question here is: is it important for M-} to ignore those \\? What you say (making distinct separation of paragraph for motion and of fillable-region) is more than what I needed, because I assumed that alineas and paragraphs are not completely separate things, as an alinea is always a subset of a paragraph. Yes, that's usually the case. But it's more trouble for the code to enforce that fill-forward-paragraph-function only moves within the current paragraph, so the extra power comes at no cost and you don't have to use it. Concerning EUPP, after more thinking, I realized that alineas are not the good approach: actually I don't need any special filling but rather to disable filling in some occasions, and for that using the fill-paragraph-function is a better approach. Of course fill-paragraph-function sucks because it only applies to fill-paragraph and not to fill-region. So, for Org I will just install emacs-24 --- or at least the fill package, is it backward compatible with an emacs-23 ? No idea. It's likely, but I really can't guarantee it. Stefan ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Alinea filling (hanlding of explicit line-breaks)
Maybe an example is better to explain what I need, imagine that I have the following two paragraphs: [...] Where I assumed that alineas are separated by either an empty line or a tailing `\\' while paragraphs are separated by just an empty line. An important question here is: is it important for M-} to ignore those \\? I guess so, this is the current default Org behaviour anyhow. as far as I understand, it would be anyhow possible to move point on an alinea-by-alinea basis just by configuring the tailing \\ as anohter paragraph separator. I usually use alinea as follows: --- John Foo (2011-02-16T07:36:02) said:\\ blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Mikaël Bar (2011-02-15T16:28:16) said:\\ gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk gronk --- I don't want M-} to recognize alineas as separate paragraphs because the first alinea of each paragraph is just one line. [...] Of course fill-paragraph-function sucks because it only applies to fill-paragraph and not to fill-region. Do you mean that `fill-paragraph-function' is some kind of obsolete feature and that people should use another kind of hook, and if so which one? [...] Stefan Vincent. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Alinea filling (hanlding of explicit line-breaks)
The proposal is to add, in addition to paragraph separator, an alinea separator. Accordingly there would be a forward-alinea function similar to forward-paragraph. I'm not completely sure I understand the details, so let me try to describe what I think you're suggesting: you're suggesting to distinguish the notion of paragraph (as used by the paragraph-forward movement command) from the notion of unit of text to fillm which you call alinea. And you also propose to complete this by adding a corresponding forward-alinea command. Is that right? If that's the case, then I think we already have most of it in Emacs-24, in the form of the fill-forward-paragraph-function, which decouples the navigation command from the unit of text to fill. You can see it in action in ChangeLog files, where M-q will only refill the current alinea starting with a function or variable name whereas M-} will jump over the text of the whole file (which is made of several alineas, each describe one (or sometimes a set of) variables or functions). Stefan ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Alinea filling (hanlding of explicit line-breaks)
Vincent, examples? -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2010/12/welcome-to-kafka-pandemic-two-forces_9182.html I support the Whittemore-Peterson Institute (WPI) === I want to see the original (pre-hold) Lo et al. 2010 NIH/FDA/Harvard MLV paper. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Alinea filling (hanlding of explicit line-breaks)
Hi, Good to see that I am not the only one needing that sort of things. Maybe an example is better to explain what I need, imagine that I have the following two paragraphs: --- aaa a aaa a aaa a a a aaa a aa a aaa aaa aa a a a aa a a aaa a aa a a aa a aaa aa aa aaa a aa a aaa a aaa aaa a aaa a a aaa aaa a a a aa a aaa aa a aaa a a aaa a a a a a aa aaa aaa aa a a a aaa aaa a aa a aa aaa a a\\ bbb b bbb b bbb b b b bbb b bb b bbb bbb bb b b b bb b b bbb b bb b b bb b bbb bb bb bbb b bb b bbb b bbb bbb b bbb b b bbb bbb b b b bb b bbb bb b bbb b b bbb b b b b b bb bbb bbb bb b b b bbb bbb b bb b bb bbb b b ccc c ccc c ccc c c c ccc c cc c ccc ccc cc c c c cc c c ccc c cc c c cc c ccc cc cc ccc c cc c ccc c ccc ccc c ccc c c ccc ccc c c c cc c ccc cc c ccc c c ccc c c c c c cc ccc ccc cc c c c ccc ccc c cc c cc ccc c c\\ ddd d ddd d ddd d d d ddd d dd d ddd ddd dd d d d dd d d ddd d dd d d dd d ddd dd dd ddd d dd d ddd d ddd ddd d ddd d d ddd ddd d d d dd d ddd dd d ddd d d ddd d d d d d dd ddd ddd dd d d d ddd ddd d dd d dd ddd d d --- after filling I wish that it would become --- aaa a aaa a aaa a a a aaa a aa a aaa aaa aa a a a aa a a aaa a aa a a aa a aaa aa aa aaa a aa a aaa a aaa aaa a aaa a a aaa aaa a a a aa a aaa aa a aaa a a aaa a a a a a aa aaa aaa aa a a a aaa aaa a aa a aa aaa a a\\ bbb b bbb b bbb b b b bbb b bb b bbb bbb bb b b b bb b b bbb b bb b b bb b bbb bb bb bbb b bb b bbb b bbb bbb b bbb b b bbb bbb b b b bb b bbb bb b bbb b b bbb b b b b b bb bbb bbb bb b b b bbb bbb b bb b bb bbb b b ccc c ccc c ccc c c c ccc c cc c ccc ccc cc c c c cc c c ccc c cc c c cc c ccc cc cc ccc c cc c ccc c ccc ccc c ccc c c ccc ccc c c c cc c ccc cc c ccc c c ccc c c c c c cc ccc ccc cc c c c ccc ccc c cc c cc ccc c c\\ ddd d ddd d ddd d d d ddd d dd d ddd ddd dd d d d dd d d ddd d dd d d dd d ddd dd dd ddd d dd d ddd d ddd ddd d ddd d d ddd ddd d d d dd d ddd dd d ddd d d ddd d d d d d dd ddd ddd dd d d d ddd ddd d dd d dd ddd d d --- Where I assumed that alineas are separated by either an empty line or a tailing `\\' while paragraphs are separated by just an empty line. What you say (making distinct separation of paragraph for motion and of fillable-region) is more than what I needed, because I assumed that alineas and paragraphs are not completely separate things, as an alinea is always a subset of a paragraph. Concerning EUPP, after more thinking, I realized that alineas are not the good approach: actually I don't need any special filling but rather to disable filling in some occasions, and for that using the fill-paragraph-function is a better approach. So, for Org I will just install emacs-24 --- or at least the fill package, is it backward compatible with an emacs-23 ? Thanks for the feedback, Vincent. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
