[Orgmode] Re: Org-Mode as authoring tool for Moodle courses

2010-10-21 Thread Łukasz Stelmach
Gruenderteam Berlin gruenderteam.ber...@googlemail.com writes:

 Hello,
 beeing still in the process of learning the amazing org-mode,

This never ends ;-)

 I wonder if somebody has tried to use org-mode's publishing capacities
 as an authoring tool for the Online Learning Platform Moodle

We had tried to use moodle at our division before I learnt about
org-mode, and frankly speaking I didn't like moodle that much. Today, I
prepare and publish my courses with org-mode as standalone
web-pages. Considering endless capabilities and flexibility of org-mode,
moodle just scares me. Take for example grading. Org's spreadsheet
(or column-view, I have to try it out myself) is by far more convenient
to use than moodles tables. OK, that's enough, I suppose you'd like to
read something more constructive.

As I said I haven't done this myself but this is how I imagine this can
be done, here and now with as little elisp coding as possible.

1. Create org files in a directory structure resembling the structure of
   the SCORM zip file. That's obvious.
2. Set up a publishing project [[info:org:Publishing]]
3. Add static content (scripts, images) that will be published with
   org-publish-attachment function.
4. Create a script (this might imho be a shell script) that generates
   manifest file. Launch it after publishing using :completion-function
   project parameter. The script may create a zip file too. And upload
   it... too ;-)

What I don't know (as I browse through a SCORM zip for the second time
in my life) is what are all xsd files for and how to create them. Are
they optional? Does their content depend on the contents of the course?
If it does then elisp coding might be inevitable, however, since org
generates XHTML it can be reliably parsed with some external tools.

If I had to use moodle today I definitely would use org-mode for html
authoring: exporting to a temporary HTML buffer and then c'n'p to a
browser window.

I know that's not much but I hope I wrote something you haven't known
already or at least I give you a new idea how to put things together.

-- 
Miłego dnia,
Łukasz Stelmach


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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Org-Mode as authoring tool for Moodle courses

2010-10-21 Thread Gruenderteam Berlin
Thanks for your instructing answer,  Lukasz.
It did not occur to me, that using org-mode instead of moodle could be a
solution, but it may actually be the best solution.  Moodle-Hosting is quite
expensive anyway, seems to use many ressources.
So I have to think about a way how to publish org-mode online courses into a
- say scala/lift project -, because I would like to have user management,
authentication, paypal and credit-card services for free (thats what Lift
offers, i.e.).
Or does almigthy org-mode delivers that too?  ;-)
A main disadvantage would be that one can't get started other course-authors
as fast on org-mode as on moodle/exelearning.

I think moodle is a school with courses, and org-mode should be definitely
better for writing online courses, but I need the school too for all the
administration stuff, and I don't want to program that. Maybe Lift or Django
can be used, and the result is much more flexible than moodle.

I have to try the SCORM package instructions - thanks a lot
Cheers
Thorsten



2010/10/21 Łukasz Stelmach lukasz.stelm...@iem.pw.edu.pl

 Gruenderteam Berlin gruenderteam.ber...@googlemail.com writes:

  Hello,
  beeing still in the process of learning the amazing org-mode,

 This never ends ;-)

  I wonder if somebody has tried to use org-mode's publishing capacities
  as an authoring tool for the Online Learning Platform Moodle

 We had tried to use moodle at our division before I learnt about
 org-mode, and frankly speaking I didn't like moodle that much. Today, I
 prepare and publish my courses with org-mode as standalone
 web-pages. Considering endless capabilities and flexibility of org-mode,
 moodle just scares me. Take for example grading. Org's spreadsheet
 (or column-view, I have to try it out myself) is by far more convenient
 to use than moodles tables. OK, that's enough, I suppose you'd like to
 read something more constructive.

 As I said I haven't done this myself but this is how I imagine this can
 be done, here and now with as little elisp coding as possible.

 1. Create org files in a directory structure resembling the structure of
   the SCORM zip file. That's obvious.
 2. Set up a publishing project [[info:org:Publishing]]
 3. Add static content (scripts, images) that will be published with
   org-publish-attachment function.
 4. Create a script (this might imho be a shell script) that generates
   manifest file. Launch it after publishing using :completion-function
   project parameter. The script may create a zip file too. And upload
   it... too ;-)

 What I don't know (as I browse through a SCORM zip for the second time
 in my life) is what are all xsd files for and how to create them. Are
 they optional? Does their content depend on the contents of the course?
 If it does then elisp coding might be inevitable, however, since org
 generates XHTML it can be reliably parsed with some external tools.

 If I had to use moodle today I definitely would use org-mode for html
 authoring: exporting to a temporary HTML buffer and then c'n'p to a
 browser window.

 I know that's not much but I hope I wrote something you haven't known
 already or at least I give you a new idea how to put things together.

 --
 Miłego dnia,
 Łukasz Stelmach


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