Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks
Hi Carsten,
reply inline below.
On 11/03/2010, at 4:40 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:34 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote:
>
>> I am trying to get a TODO tags view in my daily agenda just shows the first
>> TODO of a “Project” (a la the “next action” in GTD). This allows me to have
>> a TODO “tags” block in my custom agenda that doesn’t run to several pages: I
>> just see the next action for each project, and, as each action is marked
>> DONE, the next one pops up.
>>
>> I have *almost* managed to get this working by turning on
>> org-enforce-todo-dependencies, setting “ORDERED: t” as a property on
>> projects, and then using (setq org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks 'invisible).
>>
>> However, this hides scheduled tasks from the agenda view if they are also
>> blocked (I want them to show up if they are scheduled regardless). It seems
>> that org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks is not supported as a local setting on
>> custom commands, so I can’t just make blocked tasks visible in the agenda
>> view and invisible in the TODO tags query.
>
> what do you mean by "is not supported as a local option"? Does that mean you
> miss it in the customize menu for local option, or does that mean you have
> added it using the "any variable" entry and then it does not have the desired
> effect?
What I mean is setting it as an option in the custom commands does not seem to
work, e.g. see list line in:
(setq org-agenda-custom-commands
...
("d" "Daily Action List"
((agenda "" ((org-agenda-ndays 1)
(org-agenda-sorting-strategy
(quote ((agenda time-up priority-down tag-up) )))
(org-deadline-warning-days 7)))
(tags "TODO=\"STARTED\"+SCHEDULED=\"\"+DEADLINE=\"\""
((org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks 'invisible)))
...
The org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks on the generated "tags" view does not get
honoured. It *does* get honoured as a setting one level "higher", i.e. as a
local setting to the whole org-agenda-custom-commands block, but that's not
very useful here.
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> Wow, this sounds scary. Maybe you need to find a webmail host? :-)
Heh, well it's all legally binding as soon as you open the email, just like a
EULA you realise? ;)
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Cheers,
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Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks
Hi Phil,
On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote:
Hi Carsten,
reply inline below.
On 11/03/2010, at 4:40 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote:
On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:34 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote:
I am trying to get a TODO tags view in my daily agenda just shows
the first TODO of a “Project” (a la the “next action” in GTD).
This allows me to have a TODO “tags” block in my custom agenda
that doesn’t run to several pages: I just see the next action for
each project, and, as each action is marked DONE, the next one
pops up.
I have *almost* managed to get this working by turning on org-
enforce-todo-dependencies, setting “ORDERED: t” as a property on
projects, and then using (setq org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks
'invisible).
However, this hides scheduled tasks from the agenda view if they
are also blocked (I want them to show up if they are scheduled
regardless). It seems that org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks is not
supported as a local setting on custom commands, so I can’t just
make blocked tasks visible in the agenda view and invisible in the
TODO tags query.
what do you mean by "is not supported as a local option"? Does
that mean you miss it in the customize menu for local option, or
does that mean you have added it using the "any variable" entry and
then it does not have the desired effect?
What I mean is setting it as an option in the custom commands does
not seem to work, e.g. see list line in:
(setq org-agenda-custom-commands
...
("d" "Daily Action List"
((agenda "" ((org-agenda-ndays 1)
(org-agenda-sorting-strategy
(quote ((agenda time-up priority-down tag-up) )))
(org-deadline-warning-days 7)))
(tags "TODO=\"STARTED\"+SCHEDULED=\"\"+DEADLINE=\"\""
((org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks 'invisible)))
...
The org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks on the generated "tags" view does
not get honoured. It *does* get honoured as a setting one level
"higher", i.e. as a local setting to the whole org-agenda-custom-
commands block, but that's not very useful here.
OK, I see now what is happening here. The dimming of blocked tasks is
done only once, at the very end, when the agenda has been made. And
that is outside the scope of the local options.
You can use a normal (custom) agenda command and do the setting there.
Or you can use the global options for the block agenda to set this for
the entire block agenda. But not for a single segment in a bloc
agenda, I am afraid.
Changing this would be significant work, and I don't want to do this
based on a single use case.
- Carsten
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Wow, this sounds scary. Maybe you need to find a webmail host? :-)
Heh, well it's all legally binding as soon as you open the email,
just like a EULA you realise? ;)
This is an unsightly side-effect of posting from an organisation
that blocks webmail, requires the ugly "[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]" for
outside email, and adds that footer automatically.
Cheers,
Matthew.
- Carsten
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[Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hello all, I am trying to get a TODO tags view in my daily agenda just shows the first TODO of a “Project” (a la the “next action” in GTD). This allows me to have a TODO “tags” block in my custom agenda that doesn’t run to several pages: I just see the next action for each project, and, as each action is marked DONE, the next one pops up. I have *almost* managed to get this working by turning on org-enforce-todo-dependencies, setting “ORDERED: t” as a property on projects, and then using (setq org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks 'invisible). However, this hides scheduled tasks from the agenda view if they are also blocked (I want them to show up if they are scheduled regardless). It seems that org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks is not supported as a local setting on custom commands, so I can’t just make blocked tasks visible in the agenda view and invisible in the TODO tags query. Can anyone help? I’d be happy just to write my own skip function, but can’t actually find the API to check for blocked task status. Cheers, Matthew. IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:34 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: Hello all, I am trying to get a TODO tags view in my daily agenda just shows the first TODO of a “Project” (a la the “next action” in GTD). This allows me to have a TODO “tags” block in my custom agenda that doesn’t run to several pages: I just see the next action for each project, and, as each action is marked DONE, the next one pops up. I have *almost* managed to get this working by turning on org- enforce-todo-dependencies, setting “ORDERED: t” as a property on projects, and then using (setq org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks 'invisible). However, this hides scheduled tasks from the agenda view if they are also blocked (I want them to show up if they are scheduled regardless). It seems that org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks is not supported as a local setting on custom commands, so I can’t just make blocked tasks visible in the agenda view and invisible in the TODO tags query. Hi Matthew, what do you mean by "is not supported as a local option"? Does that mean you miss it in the customize menu for local option, or does that mean you have added it using the "any variable" entry and then it does not have the desired effect? Can anyone help? I’d be happy just to write my own skip function, but can’t actually find the API to check for blocked task status. Cheers, Matthew. IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. Wow, this sounds scary. Maybe you need to find a webmail host? :-) - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On 12/03/2010, at 3:29 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote:
>
>> What I mean is setting it as an option in the custom commands does not seem
>> to work, e.g. see list line in:
>>
>> (setq org-agenda-custom-commands
>> ...
>> ("d" "Daily Action List"
>>((agenda "" ((org-agenda-ndays 1)
>> (org-agenda-sorting-strategy
>> (quote ((agenda time-up priority-down tag-up) )))
>> (org-deadline-warning-days 7)))
>>(tags "TODO=\"STARTED\"+SCHEDULED=\"\"+DEADLINE=\"\""
>> ((org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks 'invisible)))
>> ...
>>
>> The org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks on the generated "tags" view does not get
>> honoured. It *does* get honoured as a setting one level "higher", i.e. as a
>> local setting to the whole org-agenda-custom-commands block, but that's not
>> very useful here.
>
> OK, I see now what is happening here. The dimming of blocked tasks is
> done only once, at the very end, when the agenda has been made. And that is
> outside the scope of the local options.
>
> You can use a normal (custom) agenda command and do the setting there. Or you
> can use the global options for the block agenda to set this for the entire
> block agenda. But not for a single segment in a bloc agenda, I am afraid.
>
> Changing this would be significant work, and I don't want to do this based on
> a single use case.
OK, I can understand that.
So, is there any way I can use a custom skip function in the TODO block to
remove blocked tasks? Is there a way of getting the blocked status of a task
from such a function?
Cheers,
Matthew.
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Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote:
On 12/03/2010, at 3:29 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote:
On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote:
What I mean is setting it as an option in the custom commands does
not seem to work, e.g. see list line in:
(setq org-agenda-custom-commands
...
("d" "Daily Action List"
((agenda "" ((org-agenda-ndays 1)
(org-agenda-sorting-strategy
(quote ((agenda time-up priority-down tag-up) )))
(org-deadline-warning-days 7)))
(tags "TODO=\"STARTED\"+SCHEDULED=\"\"+DEADLINE=\"\""
((org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks 'invisible)))
...
The org-agenda-dim-blocked-tasks on the generated "tags" view does
not get honoured. It *does* get honoured as a setting one level
"higher", i.e. as a local setting to the whole org-agenda-custom-
commands block, but that's not very useful here.
OK, I see now what is happening here. The dimming of blocked tasks
is
done only once, at the very end, when the agenda has been made.
And that is outside the scope of the local options.
You can use a normal (custom) agenda command and do the setting
there. Or you can use the global options for the block agenda to
set this for the entire block agenda. But not for a single segment
in a bloc agenda, I am afraid.
Changing this would be significant work, and I don't want to do
this based on a single use case.
OK, I can understand that.
So, is there any way I can use a custom skip function in the TODO
block to remove blocked tasks? Is there a way of getting the blocked
status of a task from such a function?
Yes, BLOCKED is a virtual property which does this. I think you can
just do a tags/property/todo search like this
"-BLOCKED/+TODO"
Or you can test for the BLOCKED property in a user-written skip
function.
- Carsten
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Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: > Hello all, > > I am trying to get a TODO tags view in my daily agenda just shows > the first TODO of a “Project” (a la the “next action” in GTD). > This allows me to have a TODO “tags” block in my custom agenda > that doesn’t run to several pages: I just see the next action for > each project, and, as each action is marked DONE, the next one > pops up. have you considered using org-depend? this is what i use for almost exactly what you described: 1. a project has several TODOs 2. the first TODO (manually) is assigned a TRIGGER property with "chain-siblings(NEXT)" as value 3. as this task is marked DONE, the one below is switched to NEXT state and also gets the property 4. switching to NEXT causes org-todo-state-tags-triggers to tag the task with NEXT tag 5. a custom agenda view adds a block of these NEXT tasks hth -- manish ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On 16/03/2010, at 12:24 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: > On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: >> So, is there any way I can use a custom skip function in the TODO block to >> remove blocked tasks? Is there a way of getting the blocked status of a task >> from such a function? > > Yes, BLOCKED is a virtual property which does this. I think you can just do > a tags/property/todo search like this > > "-BLOCKED/+TODO” That query still shows the blocked tasks, unfortunately. > Or you can test for the BLOCKED property in a user-written skip function. I’ll follow this route next... Thanks very much for your help, Carsten. Cheers, Matthew. IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: On 16/03/2010, at 12:24 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: So, is there any way I can use a custom skip function in the TODO block to remove blocked tasks? Is there a way of getting the blocked status of a task from such a function? Yes, BLOCKED is a virtual property which does this. I think you can just do a tags/property/todo search like this "-BLOCKED/+TODO” That query still shows the blocked tasks, unfortunately. My mistake: +BLOCKED<>"t"/+TODO This means that the BLOCKED property should not be equal to "t". - Carsten Or you can test for the BLOCKED property in a user-written skip function. I’ll follow this route next... Thanks very much for your help, Carsten. Cheers, Matthew. IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On 16/03/2010, at 2:56 AM, Manish wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I am trying to get a TODO tags view in my daily agenda just shows >> the first TODO of a “Project” (a la the “next action” in GTD). >> This allows me to have a TODO “tags” block in my custom agenda >> that doesn’t run to several pages: I just see the next action for >> each project, and, as each action is marked DONE, the next one >> pops up. > > have you considered using org-depend? this is what i use for almost > exactly what you described: > > 1. a project has several TODOs > 2. the first TODO (manually) is assigned a TRIGGER property with > "chain-siblings(NEXT)" as value > 3. as this task is marked DONE, the one below is switched to NEXT > state and also gets the property > 4. switching to NEXT causes org-todo-state-tags-triggers to tag the > task with NEXT tag > 5. a custom agenda view adds a block of these NEXT tasks Thanks for the suggestion Manish. I did look at org-depend, but it requires a little too much manual intervention for what I'm trying to do: i.e. reduce what I need to to do to have next tasks appear on my radar. Cheers, Matthew. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On 16/03/2010, at 6:21 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: > On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: > >> On 16/03/2010, at 12:24 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: >> >>> On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: >> >> >> So, is there any way I can use a custom skip function in the TODO block to remove blocked tasks? Is there a way of getting the blocked status of a task from such a function? >>> >>> Yes, BLOCKED is a virtual property which does this. I think you can just >>> do a tags/property/todo search like this >>> >>> "-BLOCKED/+TODO” >> >> That query still shows the blocked tasks, unfortunately. > > My mistake: > > +BLOCKED<>"t"/+TODO > > This means that the BLOCKED property should not be equal to “t”. Hmm, the following query still does not work (still shows greyed blocked tasks) (tags "+BLOCKED<>\"t\"/+TODO") And using "+BLOCKED=\"t\"/TODO" selects nothing. Matthew. IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:53 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: On 16/03/2010, at 6:21 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: On 16/03/2010, at 12:24 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: So, is there any way I can use a custom skip function in the TODO block to remove blocked tasks? Is there a way of getting the blocked status of a task from such a function? Yes, BLOCKED is a virtual property which does this. I think you can just do a tags/property/todo search like this "-BLOCKED/+TODO” That query still shows the blocked tasks, unfortunately. My mistake: +BLOCKED<>"t"/+TODO This means that the BLOCKED property should not be equal to “t”. Hmm, the following query still does not work (still shows greyed blocked tasks) (tags "+BLOCKED<>\"t\"/+TODO") And using "+BLOCKED=\"t\"/TODO" selects nothing. I just tested it, and this is working properly for me. Are you running a recent version of Org-mode? The BLOCKED property was only added in 6.34. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Showing scheduled blocked tasks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On 18/03/2010, at 4:29 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: > On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:53 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: > >> On 16/03/2010, at 6:21 PM, Carsten Dominik wrote: >> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: >>> On 16/03/2010, at 12:24 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: > On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Matthew Phillips wrote: >> So, is there any way I can use a custom skip function in the TODO block >> to remove blocked tasks? Is there a way of getting the blocked status of >> a task from such a function? > > Yes, BLOCKED is a virtual property which does this. I think you can just > do a tags/property/todo search like this > > "-BLOCKED/+TODO” That query still shows the blocked tasks, unfortunately. >>> >>> My mistake: >>> >>> +BLOCKED<>"t"/+TODO >>> >>> This means that the BLOCKED property should not be equal to “t”. >> >> Hmm, the following query still does not work (still shows greyed blocked >> tasks) >> >> (tags "+BLOCKED<>\"t\"/+TODO") >> >> And using "+BLOCKED=\"t\"/TODO" selects nothing. > > I just tested it, and this is working properly for me. Are you > running a recent version of Org-mode? The BLOCKED property was > only added in 6.34. Ah, I was running “6.33x” that came bundled with Emacs 23.1.94.1. Upgrading to a local install of 6.34c fixed it — sorry not to have tried that earlier. Thanks again for your assistance, much appreciated. Matthew. IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
