Re: [Orgmode] spreadsheet: column width behavior(s)
On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Samuel Wales wrote: Hi Michael, Org tables already use up horizontal space with the | syntax. Some people use large fonts or small displays. Whatever solution is chosen, making it easy to make tables narrow will be important. I think the new implementation ( means fixed width N characters) does still fulfill this request. - Carsten Samuel On 2010-03-25, Michael Brand michael.br...@alumni.ethz.ch wrote: Hi Carsten, hi all Are there reasons to only narrow but not to widen columns? I would like the behavior `fixed width' like | year | boss | facility management assistant | | | 30 | 30 | |--+--- +| | 2009 | Alice | Bob| but with the current implementation get | year | boss | facility management assistant | | | 30 | 30 | |--+---+---| | 2009 | Alice | Bob | which widens the column only if there is too less space left for the column content. As a comparison I can imagine four variants: ..40 : `maximum width' (what 40 is today) 30 : `fixed width' 20.. : `minimum width' (no narrowing) 20..40 : `width range' (minimum 20, up to 40, narrowing if even longer) The most commonly used spreadsheet applications offer just one single variant out of the above four (right?) and it is `fixed width'. My vote for org-table would be the same: That it should support `fixed width' and that this is sufficient as the only variant. What is the opinion of other users? - Michael ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Q: How many CDC scientists does it take to change a lightbulb? A: You only think it's dark. [CDC has denied a deadly disease for 25 years] == Retrovirus: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] spreadsheet: column width behavior(s)
Are there reasons to only narrow but not to widen columns? I think this is really the only thing that makes sense. Why would you want it any wider, given the limited amount of screen real estate we have here? I don't think it would be difficult to make it behave the way you request, but I don't think I would ever use widening fields. When would you want to use this? I see, there _are_ reasons for `maximum width' (and other variants would be only additional if ever). The variant `fixed width' can be useful for the following timetable. Here it is achieved with the field content `= widen' in the last row. several columns with the same width: |---+---+---+---+---+---| | | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | |---+---+---+---+---+---| | 8:15 | Math | Compute= | - | Math | Compute= | | 13:15 | - | Math | Compute= | - | Math | |---+---+---+---+---+---| | / | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | | / | = = | = = | = = | = = | = = | instead of: |---+--+--+--+--+--| | | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | |---+--+--+--+--+--| | 8:15 | Math | Computer S= | -| Math | Computer S= | | 13:15 | -| Math | Computer S= | -| Math | |---+--+--+--+--+--| | / | | 12 | 12 | | 12 | or even: | Mon | 8:15 | Math | | Tue | 8:15 | Computer Science | | Tue | 13:15 | Math | | Wed | 13:15 | Computer Science | | Thu | 8:15 | Math | | Fri | 8:15 | Computer Science | | Fri | 13:15 | Math | ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] spreadsheet: column width behavior(s)
On Mar 27, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Michael Brand wrote: Are there reasons to only narrow but not to widen columns? I think this is really the only thing that makes sense. Why would you want it any wider, given the limited amount of screen real estate we have here? I don't think it would be difficult to make it behave the way you request, but I don't think I would ever use widening fields. When would you want to use this? I see, there _are_ reasons for `maximum width' (and other variants would be only additional if ever). The variant `fixed width' can be useful for the following timetable. Here it is achieved with the field content `= widen' in the last row. several columns with the same width: |---+---+---+---+---+---| | | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | |---+---+---+---+---+---| | 8:15 | Math | Compute= | - | Math | Compute= | | 13:15 | - | Math | Compute= | - | Math | |---+---+---+---+---+---| | / | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | | / | = = | = = | = = | = = | = = | instead of: |---+--+--+--+--+--| | | Mon | Tue | Wed | Thu | Fri | |---+--+--+--+--+--| | 8:15 | Math | Computer S= | -| Math | Computer S= | | 13:15 | -| Math | Computer S= | -| Math | |---+--+--+--+--+--| | / | | 12 | 12 | | 12 | or even: | Mon | 8:15 | Math | | Tue | 8:15 | Computer Science | | Tue | 13:15 | Math | | Wed | 13:15 | Computer Science | | Thu | 8:15 | Math | | Fri | 8:15 | Computer Science | | Fri | 13:15 | Math | Yes, thinking more about it, I do agree that a fixed width makes a lot of sense as the application of N. It does now work like this. Thanks! - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] spreadsheet: column width behavior(s)
Yes, thinking more about it, I do agree that a fixed width makes a lot of sense as the application of N. It does now work like this. Thank you for changing. And if someone wants `maximum width' I hope that it will be implemented with the syntax ..N as a _variant_ _additional_ to the existing N. Comparison of four variants (the last two rather useless apart from showing the completeness of the syntax): 30 : `fixed width' (the only variant implemented now) ..40 : `maximum width' (as wide as necessary but max. 40) 20.. : `minimum width' (as wide as necessary but min. 20) 20..40 : `width range' (min. 20, then up to 40, narrow only if 40) ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] spreadsheet: column width behavior(s)
On Mar 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Michael Brand wrote: Yes, thinking more about it, I do agree that a fixed width makes a lot of sense as the application of N. It does now work like this. Thank you for changing. And if someone wants `maximum width' I hope that it will be implemented with the syntax ..N as a _variant_ _additional_ to the existing N. No, I am now convinced that this is not at all needed. Fixed is best and just fine. Thanks! - Carsten Comparison of four variants (the last two rather useless apart from showing the completeness of the syntax): 30 : `fixed width' (the only variant implemented now) ..40 : `maximum width' (as wide as necessary but max. 40) 20.. : `minimum width' (as wide as necessary but min. 20) 20..40 : `width range' (min. 20, then up to 40, narrow only if 40) - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] spreadsheet: column width behavior(s)
Hi Carsten, hi all Are there reasons to only narrow but not to widen columns? I would like the behavior `fixed width' like | year | boss | facility management assistant | | | 30 | 30 | |--+---+| | 2009 | Alice | Bob| but with the current implementation get | year | boss | facility management assistant | | | 30 | 30 | |--+---+---| | 2009 | Alice | Bob | which widens the column only if there is too less space left for the column content. As a comparison I can imagine four variants: ..40 : `maximum width' (what 40 is today) 30 : `fixed width' 20.. : `minimum width' (no narrowing) 20..40 : `width range' (minimum 20, up to 40, narrowing if even longer) The most commonly used spreadsheet applications offer just one single variant out of the above four (right?) and it is `fixed width'. My vote for org-table would be the same: That it should support `fixed width' and that this is sufficient as the only variant. What is the opinion of other users? - Michael ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
