Re: How to preserve empty headings
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Diego Zamboni wrote: > > What are RET and C-j bound to? > > In my setup, RET is bound to =org-return=, which does not delete spaces, but > C-j is bound to =org-return-and-maybe-indent=, which does. So I have the > opposite behavior as yours. > Probably you have `electric-indent-mode' set to nil. C-j is org-return-and-maybe-indent. RET is org-return. If I read the docstrings correctly, org-return (thru org--newline) and org-return-and-indent-maybe both trefer to electric-indent-mode, but in opposite manner (nil vs. t). Chuck [rest deleted]
Re: How to preserve empty headings
What are RET and C-j bound to? In my setup, RET is bound to =org-return=, which does not delete spaces, but C-j is bound to =org-return-and-maybe-indent=, which does. So I have the opposite behavior as yours. There were some recent changes in behavior of Org with respect to electric-indent-mode (long discussion in the list), I think this might have something to do with it but did not follow the full discussion. Hope this helps, --Diego On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 7:38 PM Titus von der Malsburg wrote: > > On 2020-11-30 Mon 19:25, Diego Zamboni wrote: > >> > >> I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best. > >> However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected. Org sometimes > >> inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), > but > >> is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting > >> text? It seems very counter-intuitive to me. > >> > > > > Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but > > when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an > > empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted > > on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was > > using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=. > > --Diego > > The space is deleted immediately. But the fact that it’s not happening on > your system perhaps means that there *is* a setting that prevents it. The > question is: which? > > By the way, I’m using the master branch from > https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode.git as installed by straight.el. > > Titus > >
Re: How to preserve empty headings
On 2020-11-30 Mon 19:25, Diego Zamboni wrote: >> >> I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best. >> However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected. Org sometimes >> inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but >> is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting >> text? It seems very counter-intuitive to me. >> > > Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but > when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an > empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted > on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was > using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=. Your comment has put me on the right track. The line-final whitespace was not deleted by org but by electric-indent-mode, which apparently does this by default. Sorry for the noise! Titus
Re: How to preserve empty headings
This is caused by elastic-indent-mode. As foretold https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2020-11/msg00325.html. Tom On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:38 PM Titus von der Malsburg wrote: > > > On 2020-11-30 Mon 19:25, Diego Zamboni wrote: > >> > >> I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best. > >> However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected. Org sometimes > >> inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but > >> is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting > >> text? It seems very counter-intuitive to me. > >> > > > > Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but > > when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an > > empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted > > on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was > > using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=. > > --Diego > > The space is deleted immediately. But the fact that it’s not happening on > your system perhaps means that there *is* a setting that prevents it. The > question is: which? > > By the way, I’m using the master branch from > https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode.git as installed by straight.el. > > Titus > >
Re: How to preserve empty headings
On 2020-11-30 Mon 19:25, Diego Zamboni wrote: >> >> I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best. >> However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected. Org sometimes >> inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but >> is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting >> text? It seems very counter-intuitive to me. >> > > Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but > when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an > empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted > on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was > using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=. > --Diego The space is deleted immediately. But the fact that it’s not happening on your system perhaps means that there *is* a setting that prevents it. The question is: which? By the way, I’m using the master branch from https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode.git as installed by straight.el. Titus
Re: How to preserve empty headings
> > I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best. > However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected. Org sometimes > inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but > is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting > text? It seems very counter-intuitive to me. > Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=. --Diego
Re: How to preserve empty headings
On 2020-11-30 Mon 18:31, Berry, Charles wrote: >> On Nov 30, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Titus von der Malsburg >> wrote: >> >> >> When I start a new line with '* ' followed by RET, the space is >> automatically deleted and I’m left with a line that just has the asterisk >> (i.e. not a headline). >> >> Unfortunately there are use cases where empty headlines make sense and they >> occur often in my work. One example is Beamer slides where each headline at >> some level produces a slide. If the user needs a slide without title >> (common, e.g., for a large images that fill the slide), an empty headline is >> needed. >> >> Is there a way to teach Org to leave the empty headline intact? >> >> I may be old-fashioned but when I type '* ', I do it for a reason and I wish >> that my text editor respects that. :) >> > > > Instead of `* SPACE RET', try `* SPACE C-j'. I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best. However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected. Org sometimes inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting text? It seems very counter-intuitive to me. Titus
Re: How to preserve empty headings
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Titus von der Malsburg > wrote: > > > When I start a new line with '* ' followed by RET, the space is automatically > deleted and I’m left with a line that just has the asterisk (i.e. not a > headline). > > Unfortunately there are use cases where empty headlines make sense and they > occur often in my work. One example is Beamer slides where each headline at > some level produces a slide. If the user needs a slide without title > (common, e.g., for a large images that fill the slide), an empty headline is > needed. > > Is there a way to teach Org to leave the empty headline intact? > > I may be old-fashioned but when I type '* ', I do it for a reason and I wish > that my text editor respects that. :) > Instead of `* SPACE RET', try `* SPACE C-j'. This works for me and leaves a blank heading intact through export. HTH, Chuck
How to preserve empty headings
When I start a new line with '* ' followed by RET, the space is automatically deleted and I’m left with a line that just has the asterisk (i.e. not a headline). Unfortunately there are use cases where empty headlines make sense and they occur often in my work. One example is Beamer slides where each headline at some level produces a slide. If the user needs a slide without title (common, e.g., for a large images that fill the slide), an empty headline is needed. Is there a way to teach Org to leave the empty headline intact? I may be old-fashioned but when I type '* ', I do it for a reason and I wish that my text editor respects that. :) Titus
