Re: Multilingual support (proposals and state of the question)

2021-05-17 Thread Juan Manuel Macías
Hi Denis,

Denis Maier writes:

> Why not add a :lang property to other blocks as well?
>
> #+begin_quote :lang en
> this is english.
> #+end_quote
>
> WDYT?
>
> Denis

It's an interesting possibility. However, I think that the advantage of
Org src blocks is that you can include anything you want, even quote
blocks. And you also have org-edit-special...

Best regards,

Juan Manuel 




Re: Multilingual support (proposals and state of the question)

2021-05-17 Thread Denis Maier

Am 17.05.2021 um 17:41 schrieb Juan Manuel Macías:

Hi all,

I would like to start a thread on this question, leaving some basic ideas and
sketches of my own, in case someone else wanted to join the discussion.

I think it would be nice if Org Mode offered consistent support (out of
the box) for multilingual documents. That is, those documents where
there is a main language and it is possible to toggle between a list of
others 'secondary' languages, in the LaTeX Babel way. Those documents
could be consistently exported to other formats with multilingual
support: LaTeX, of course, but also html, odt, etc.

What is your opinion?

I think Org documents should have three levels in multilingual management:

- Short text segments, something like an 'inline block' for other languages
- Blocks
- Sections

For short inline segments, IMHO and without the need to innovate, I
think an excellent candidate are the links defined with
org-link-set-parameters. For example:

Lorem ipsum [[lang:de][some text in German]] dolor sit amet

(For structures of this kind I found very interesting ideas here:
https://github.com/alhassy/org-special-block-extras)

As for blocks, I think of a hypothetical 'lang' block:

#+begin_lang el :variant polytonic
Some text in polytonic Greek...
#+end_lang

However, in a previous thread
(https://orgmode.org/list/87k0og8fss@list.aleks.bg/) Aleksandar
Dimitrov proposed an idea that seemed very suggestive, at least in
concept: add a ':lang' argument to the Org code blocks:

#+begin_src org :lang fr
Some text in french
#+end_src


Why not add a :lang property to other blocks as well?
#+begin_quote :lang en
this is english.
#+end_quote

WDYT?

Denis




Multilingual support (proposals and state of the question)

2021-05-17 Thread Juan Manuel Macías
Hi all,

I would like to start a thread on this question, leaving some basic ideas and
sketches of my own, in case someone else wanted to join the discussion.

I think it would be nice if Org Mode offered consistent support (out of
the box) for multilingual documents. That is, those documents where
there is a main language and it is possible to toggle between a list of
others 'secondary' languages, in the LaTeX Babel way. Those documents
could be consistently exported to other formats with multilingual
support: LaTeX, of course, but also html, odt, etc.

What is your opinion?

I think Org documents should have three levels in multilingual management:

- Short text segments, something like an 'inline block' for other languages
- Blocks
- Sections

For short inline segments, IMHO and without the need to innovate, I
think an excellent candidate are the links defined with
org-link-set-parameters. For example:

Lorem ipsum [[lang:de][some text in German]] dolor sit amet

(For structures of this kind I found very interesting ideas here:
https://github.com/alhassy/org-special-block-extras)

As for blocks, I think of a hypothetical 'lang' block:

#+begin_lang el :variant polytonic
Some text in polytonic Greek...
#+end_lang

However, in a previous thread
(https://orgmode.org/list/87k0og8fss@list.aleks.bg/) Aleksandar
Dimitrov proposed an idea that seemed very suggestive, at least in
concept: add a ':lang' argument to the Org code blocks:

#+begin_src org :lang fr
Some text in french
#+end_src

And finally, for sections, you could think of a new property ':lang:'

* Header
  :PROPERTIES:
  :LANG: pt
  :END:

...

Best regards,

Juan Manuel