Re: [Orgmode] 'Double-entry' journals
hi , 2010/3/19 Jan Böcker jan.boec...@jboecker.de: generated the project specific ones automatically from that. The normal Org approach is to go the opposite direction: you edit your project files directly and use the agenda to view tasks (and notes, if you include an active timestamp in them or tell the agenda to show inactive timestamps) by date in daily, weekly or monthly views. Combining these two posibilities , I wondered myself whether it would we useful to have a org-mode tree-like view of the agenda view , and other reports. Something like a text generator that bases its output on agenda output , and renders or re-renders output based on agenda view. If someone comments on it , I'd be wishful to start hacking it , up to my knowledge, which is lispy to some extend (a common-lisp background, and little elisp yet.) best regards , haroldo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] 'Double-entry' journals
So... 1.org http://1.org and 2. org will be like this. The problem is that when I export I want the output to look like this: *Timestamp day1 **Activity for project 1 on day 1 here **Activity for project2 on day 1 here *Timestamp day2 **Activity for project 1 on day 2 here **Activity for project2 on day 2 here Try inserting active timestamps into your log entries with C-c . A headline that has one or more active timestamps will appear in the agenda on those days. For more information, see: (info (org) Timestamps) HTH, Jan ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] 'Double-entry' journals
I'm still sorting through how I will use this. I have settled (for now) on project specific .org files as I just can't bring myself to have everything in one file alone, even if that is what will eventually be what I do. I'm fine with this, but it is crucial for me to be able to export to html or pdf for printing purposes. So... take two project files to start as an example: 1.org and 2.org My current structure for each project looks like this (I'm in RD): * Background Description of the project, it's status when it came to us, where it's going, aims/goals, etc. * Journals Notes and todos all go here in this format (one per day) **Timestamp day1 What I did that day **Timestamp day2 * Ideas Random ideas that perhaps don't fit in the journal entry... I very well may ditch this section as I need my ideas exported and I'm sure to export the journals so I may just include this in the journals as the day goes on. So... 1.org and 2. org will be like this. The problem is that when I export I want the output to look like this: *Timestamp day1 **Activity for project 1 on day 1 here **Activity for project2 on day 1 here *Timestamp day2 **Activity for project 1 on day 2 here **Activity for project2 on day 2 here This way, I export chronologically such that all activity on any day covers all the projects I touched that day. Then I print them and tape them in a notebook for Intellectual Property purposes and have my printouts witnessed. This has currently worked great via TiddlyWiki since I create one journal per day with all projects. There has to be a way to do this in org-mode. I think it's just a simple agenda view export, right? In the end, it's not the true 'double entry' that is the issue, as agenda is basically doing that. This is what my TiddlyWiki is doing -- it's not actually allowing me to edit the same information in two places, it just creates a view in a journal and the same text in a project. Agenda seems like it's doing the same thing. It's hunting for text based on tags or timestamps or properties and then recreating all those that match in a different view. I should be able to create a view of one day's activities, print it, then pull up the next day's, print it, etc. John On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Haroldo Stenger haroldo.sten...@gmail.comwrote: hi , 2010/3/19 Jan Böcker jan.boec...@jboecker.de: generated the project specific ones automatically from that. The normal Org approach is to go the opposite direction: you edit your project files directly and use the agenda to view tasks (and notes, if you include an active timestamp in them or tell the agenda to show inactive timestamps) by date in daily, weekly or monthly views. Combining these two posibilities , I wondered myself whether it would we useful to have a org-mode tree-like view of the agenda view , and other reports. Something like a text generator that bases its output on agenda output , and renders or re-renders output based on agenda view. If someone comments on it , I'd be wishful to start hacking it , up to my knowledge, which is lispy to some extend (a common-lisp background, and little elisp yet.) best regards , haroldo ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] 'Double-entry' journals
On 19.03.2010 05:52, John Hendy wrote: Hi, I'm quite new to org-mode but am very excited about handling a lot of my current notes/task issues. My current/previous setup: [snip] So, enough rambling. I love the idea of org-mode to handle both aspects in one place as well as all the other magic it can do (keep in mind I'm just learning emacs as well!). Here's the questions: - What solution/file structure would be recommended for the above? --- Namely, I like the idea of daily journal entries so that I work in one file per day (date.org http://date.org) vs. many (proj1.org http://proj1.org, proj2.org...). Is this not the 'org-way' (is it easier to keep a file per project)? Hi John, If I understand you correctly, you edited the daily pages directly and generated the project specific ones automatically from that. The normal Org approach is to go the opposite direction: you edit your project files directly and use the agenda to view tasks (and notes, if you include an active timestamp in them or tell the agenda to show inactive timestamps) by date in daily, weekly or monthly views. --- Can I make something (a headline and the notes below it) a 'double-entry' item? In other words, if I keep the file MainProject.org and tag a bunch of headlines in my journals with MainProject, can I get those items to also appear in MainProject.org without having to add them in both places? As far as I know, org does not support this. You could create an agenda view that displays items tagged with MainProject and put a link to that agenda view into MainProject.org, but I do not know of a way to directly include something. - Are there any other suggestions for how to do something like this? I'm new and open to other better ways. I saw Carsten's presentation (not the Google Tech talk one) and am somewhat against the idea of a huge, long file. I guess if you can collapse it enough it's fine... but it just doesn't feel right. I love my current method of just keeping a journal entry per day and letting my TiddlyWiki code automatically update the project pages accordingly. Starting with a way to replicate that functionality as well as adding in the todos all in one place would hook me on org-mode for sure. I also rejected the idea of one long file until recently, when I realized that you do not have to navigate that huge file manually. Nowadays, I have two big org files: projects.org (actionable things) and reference.org (nonactionable things). In my day-to-day usage, I do some edits (changing TODO state and tags, killing an entry) directly from the agenda; for others, I press ENTER or TAB in the agenda to jump to the entry. I used to have a separate file for each project, because I liked to only see and edit one project at a time, and the agenda also displays the file name before each TODO entry. However, I learned that you can get the benefits of lots of small files with one big file, without having to come up with a file name and adding a new file to org-agenda-files for each project (and ending up with dozens of open buffers): To change the text that the agenda displays before an entry, set the CATEGORY property. To only see and the project you currently care about, use C-x n s (org-narrow-to-subtree); when you want to see the whole file again, use C-x n w (widen). Best regards, John P.S. I was not sure what to search for in order to find out if there was an implementation for this. I read under the manual about linking and did some various searches regarding 'wiki-like' behavior for org-mode (as this felt like what I'm perhaps trying to do), but nothing really seemed to apply to this; mainly, nothing about having two 'snippets' mutually update one another. The general approach in Org seems to be that every piece of information is stored in one place, then you use the agenda to slice and dice it according to your needs. I guess you could keep one chronological journal file and define an agenda view for each project, but it should be much easier to keep each project in a separate subtree (or file), because the chronological agenda view is already there. I took a look at my git repository: I have been using org-mode for about ten months now; the system in its current state is much younger. Try using org for some time, and experience the ability to customize it to your needs. It also helped me a lot to read through the whole manual at least once (without understanding everything), to get a general idea of what is possible. There is also a lot of information to be found on worg or in the archives of this mailing list, and of course in the documentation strings of all those variables. Hope this helps, Jan ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
