Re: [Orgmode] Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org
At Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:33:25 +,
Rick Moynihan wrote:
For what it's worth I find the lack of contrast here a problem too.
Though I can read the text, it's not especially pleasant. I've also
found something similar in my exports (with a non default colour
theme), which has led me to use the following STYLE option for source
code blocks etc...
#+STYLE:style pre { background-color: #191919 } pre { color:
#FF } /style
I have a similar problem. The following org-mode snippet:
--8---cut here---start-8---
#+begin_src sh
echo EOF
This is some input
EOF
#+end_src
--8---cut here---end---8---
generates, upon HTML export, the following code:
--8---cut here---start-8---
pre class=src src-shspan style=color: #b0c4de;echo/span
lt;lt;EOFspan style=color: #00; font-weight: bold;
This is some input
EOF
/span/pre
--8---cut here---end---8---
The problem with this is that I find the yellow (00 colour)
illegible on almost every monitor I use. However, there is no class
nor id that I can adjust a style for the relevant span elements. Even
if I define some CSS for the src or src-sh classes, these will be
overridden in the spans. The HTML styles for the spans are hard-coded
in, it would appear. Or maybe there is something I can configure
somewhere?
I will have a look at the export code later when I get a chance...
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Re: [Orgmode] Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org
Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes:
At Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:33:25 +,
Rick Moynihan wrote:
For what it's worth I find the lack of contrast here a problem too.
Though I can read the text, it's not especially pleasant. I've also
found something similar in my exports (with a non default colour
theme), which has led me to use the following STYLE option for source
code blocks etc...
#+STYLE:style pre { background-color: #191919 } pre { color:
#FF } /style
I have a similar problem. The following org-mode snippet:
#+begin_src sh
echo EOF
This is some input
EOF
#+end_src
generates, upon HTML export, the following code:
pre class=src src-shspan style=color: #b0c4de;echo/span
lt;lt;EOFspan style=color: #00; font-weight: bold;
This is some input
EOF
/span/pre
The problem with this is that I find the yellow (00 colour)
illegible on almost every monitor I use. However, there is no class
nor id that I can adjust a style for the relevant span elements. Even
if I define some CSS for the src or src-sh classes, these will be
overridden in the spans. The HTML styles for the spans are hard-coded
in, it would appear. Or maybe there is something I can configure
somewhere?
I will have a look at the export code later when I get a chance...
M-x customize-variable RET org-export-htmlize-output-type RET
Set it to `CSS'
Sebastian
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Re: [Orgmode] Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org
At Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:17:43 +0100, Sebastian Rose wrote: [...] M-x customize-variable RET org-export-htmlize-output-type RET Set it to `CSS' blush Sigh. When will I ever learn. If I think something should be possible in org-mode, it's already there! /blush Thanks for the pointer and it works perfectly (of course)! eric ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org
Hi Sebastian,
can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable?
- Carsten
On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote:
Hi,
the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark
background.
Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syntax
highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use
#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead.
I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple change
makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported
HTML file, just before the `/head' tag and keep the original
styles in
place, to see the results:
style type=text/css
pre {
background-color:#33;
color:white;
}
/pre
These are just the changed values.
Unfortunately, this changes the appearance significantly. Dark
background for all code.
As an alternative, we could change all foreground colors, in that we
keep the tint, but reduce the brightness of each. That way we would
keep
the appearance and have readable code. I've changed the background
to be
slightly lighter. Just put this in an exported HTML file, just before
the `/head' tag and keep the original styles in place, to see the
results:
style type=text/css
pre {
/* only the changed values for pre again */
background-color:#fafafa;
/* Use bigger font? courier is soo small on my system: */
font-size:110%;
}
.org-string { color:#BC2020; }
.org-builtin { color:#5C2659; }
.org-keyword { color:#5C128A; }
.org-doc { color:#754C4C; }
.org-constant { color:#385D5E; }
.org-variable-name { color:#805F11; }
.org-function-name { color:#CC; }
/style
What do you think?
How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)?
Sebastian
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Re: [Orgmode] Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:
Hi Sebastian,
can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable?
- Carsten
Yes - sorry.
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.php#open-source-rewritten-urls
Sebsatian
On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote:
Hi,
the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark
background.
Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syntax
highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use
#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead.
I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple change
makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported
HTML file, just before the `/head' tag and keep the original styles in
place, to see the results:
style type=text/css
pre {
background-color:#33;
color:white;
}
/pre
These are just the changed values.
Unfortunately, this changes the appearance significantly. Dark
background for all code.
As an alternative, we could change all foreground colors, in that we
keep the tint, but reduce the brightness of each. That way we would keep
the appearance and have readable code. I've changed the background to be
slightly lighter. Just put this in an exported HTML file, just before
the `/head' tag and keep the original styles in place, to see the
results:
style type=text/css
pre {
/* only the changed values for pre again */
background-color:#fafafa;
/* Use bigger font? courier is soo small on my system: */
font-size:110%;
}
.org-string { color:#BC2020; }
.org-builtin { color:#5C2659; }
.org-keyword { color:#5C128A; }
.org-doc { color:#754C4C; }
.org-constant { color:#385D5E; }
.org-variable-name { color:#805F11; }
.org-function-name { color:#CC; }
/style
What do you think?
How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)?
Sebastian
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Re: [Orgmode] Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org
On my calibrated monitor that's fine for readability
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.dewrote:
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:
Hi Sebastian,
can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable?
- Carsten
Yes - sorry.
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.php#open-source-rewritten-urls
Sebsatian
On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote:
Hi,
the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark
background.
Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syntax
highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use
#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead.
I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple change
makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported
HTML file, just before the `/head' tag and keep the original styles in
place, to see the results:
style type=text/css
pre {
background-color:#33;
color:white;
}
/pre
These are just the changed values.
Unfortunately, this changes the appearance significantly. Dark
background for all code.
As an alternative, we could change all foreground colors, in that we
keep the tint, but reduce the brightness of each. That way we would keep
the appearance and have readable code. I've changed the background to be
slightly lighter. Just put this in an exported HTML file, just before
the `/head' tag and keep the original styles in place, to see the
results:
style type=text/css
pre {
/* only the changed values for pre again */
background-color:#fafafa;
/* Use bigger font? courier is soo small on my system: */
font-size:110%;
}
.org-string { color:#BC2020; }
.org-builtin { color:#5C2659; }
.org-keyword { color:#5C128A; }
.org-doc { color:#754C4C; }
.org-constant { color:#385D5E; }
.org-variable-name { color:#805F11; }
.org-function-name { color:#CC; }
/style
What do you think?
How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)?
Sebastian
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Re: [Orgmode] Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org
On Nov 16, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote:
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:
Hi Sebastian,
can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable?
- Carsten
Yes - sorry.
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.php#open-source-rewritten-urls
I sort-of see what you mean, but in fact these are the standard Emacs
colors for a white background.
I can make a CSS with black background colors if that is what is
wanted, or I will consider CSS made by someone better at this stuff
than I am.
Basically, define your faces and then execute org-export-htmlize-
generate-css
- Carsten
Sebsatian
On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote:
Hi,
the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark
background.
Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with
syntax
highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use
#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead.
I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple
change
makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported
HTML file, just before the `/head' tag and keep the original
styles in
place, to see the results:
style type=text/css
pre {
background-color:#33;
color:white;
}
/pre
These are just the changed values.
Unfortunately, this changes the appearance significantly. Dark
background for all code.
As an alternative, we could change all foreground colors, in that we
keep the tint, but reduce the brightness of each. That way we
would keep
the appearance and have readable code. I've changed the background
to be
slightly lighter. Just put this in an exported HTML file, just
before
the `/head' tag and keep the original styles in place, to see the
results:
style type=text/css
pre {
/* only the changed values for pre again */
background-color:#fafafa;
/* Use bigger font? courier is soo small on my system: */
font-size:110%;
}
.org-string { color:#BC2020; }
.org-builtin { color:#5C2659; }
.org-keyword { color:#5C128A; }
.org-doc { color:#754C4C; }
.org-constant { color:#385D5E; }
.org-variable-name { color:#805F11; }
.org-function-name { color:#CC; }
/style
What do you think?
How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)?
Sebastian
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Re: [Orgmode] Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org
Greg Newman g...@20seven.org writes:
On my calibrated monitor that's fine for readability
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.dewrote:
My monitor is not calibrated, but I see all the 1's on
http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/572427/display/3843090 so the
contrast is good enough.
I just installed lprof and tried to improve the calibration of my
monitor (which I never had problems with, BTW). But I couldn't enter the
monitor values for Weißpunkt (`white point' ???) and Grundfarben
(`basic colors' ??), because I did not know what to enter there. Set
Gamma and Black Point seems not to work correct (according to photos I
see on the net like the one mentioned above). When I load a photo for
Scanner calibration, the image is distorted - so I don't really know why
to trust that program = uninstalled it again.
There are other programs for calibration, but I don't have colorimeter
at hand. And I don't know anyone who owns such a thing.
I don't know many people, who use calibrated monitors by the way. Just a
few people doing graphics - and even they don't own a colorimeter.
It is a tiny little bit better with bigger fonts (in Opera I see heavier
font - in FF the Courier font is very light - might be a bug), or.
I think we should make it readable for everyone, right? And we should
make as close to the optimum as possible.
Here is what I see on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/44727...@n04/4109090241/in/set-72157622816907722/
I see this lack of contrast on different hardware, too:
- Lenovo 500 + Ubuntu 9.04/Windows Vista Business,
- IYAMA 4 years old attached to a P4 with Debian and NVIDIA driver
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:
Hi Sebastian,
can you point to a page where you think the stuff is badly readable?
- Carsten
Yes - sorry.
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-protocol.php#open-source-rewritten-urls
Sebsatian
On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Sebastian Rose wrote:
Hi,
the colors on orgmode.org are made from an Emacs setup with a dark
background.
Because of the light background on the Web, code examples with syntax
highlighting are hard to read. I even avoid #+BEGIN_SRC and use
#+BEGIN_EXAMPLE instead.
I played a little locally, and found, that the following simple change
makes highlighted source code readable. Just put this in an exported
HTML file, just before the `/head' tag and keep the original styles in
place, to see the results:
style type=text/css
pre {
background-color:#33;
color:white;
}
/pre
These are just the changed values.
Unfortunately, this changes the appearance significantly. Dark
background for all code.
As an alternative, we could change all foreground colors, in that we
keep the tint, but reduce the brightness of each. That way we would keep
the appearance and have readable code. I've changed the background to be
slightly lighter. Just put this in an exported HTML file, just before
the `/head' tag and keep the original styles in place, to see the
results:
style type=text/css
pre {
/* only the changed values for pre again */
background-color:#fafafa;
/* Use bigger font? courier is soo small on my system: */
font-size:110%;
}
.org-string { color:#BC2020; }
.org-builtin { color:#5C2659; }
.org-keyword { color:#5C128A; }
.org-doc { color:#754C4C; }
.org-constant { color:#385D5E; }
.org-variable-name { color:#805F11; }
.org-function-name { color:#CC; }
/style
What do you think?
How is the font-size of code on Windows and MAC (Safari)?
Sebastian
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Re: [Orgmode] Colors for pre elem. on orgmode.org
2009/11/16 Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.de:
Greg Newman g...@20seven.org writes:
On my calibrated monitor that's fine for readability
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sebastian Rose sebastian_r...@gmx.dewrote:
My monitor is not calibrated, but I see all the 1's on
http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/572427/display/3843090 so the
contrast is good enough.
I just installed lprof and tried to improve the calibration of my
monitor (which I never had problems with, BTW). But I couldn't enter the
monitor values for Weißpunkt (`white point' ???) and Grundfarben
(`basic colors' ??), because I did not know what to enter there. Set
Gamma and Black Point seems not to work correct (according to photos I
see on the net like the one mentioned above). When I load a photo for
Scanner calibration, the image is distorted - so I don't really know why
to trust that program = uninstalled it again.
There are other programs for calibration, but I don't have colorimeter
at hand. And I don't know anyone who owns such a thing.
I don't know many people, who use calibrated monitors by the way. Just a
few people doing graphics - and even they don't own a colorimeter.
It is a tiny little bit better with bigger fonts (in Opera I see heavier
font - in FF the Courier font is very light - might be a bug), or.
I think we should make it readable for everyone, right? And we should
make as close to the optimum as possible.
Here is what I see on flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/44727...@n04/4109090241/in/set-72157622816907722/
For what it's worth I find the lack of contrast here a problem too.
Though I can read the text, it's not especially pleasant. I've also
found something similar in my exports (with a non default colour
theme), which has led me to use the following STYLE option for source
code blocks etc...
#+STYLE:style pre { background-color: #191919 } pre { color:
#FF } /style
Having a darker background colour for source code and example blocks
seems like the sensible thing to do.
R.
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