Re: [Orgmode] processing pending emails as part of your GTD system
On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Carsten Dominik wrote: > On Apr 30, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Adam Spiers wrote: > >That's interesting. I'm also a fan of GTD and therefore also love > >being able to get mail out of the inbox into the archives, so that the > >inbox only contains unprocessed mail. However, as I mentioned a while > >back on this list, I take a completely different approach to > >implementing the "tickler" mechanism for allowing an archived mail to > >regain visibility on a particular date: > > > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/2513/ > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/5595/ > > Hi Adam, > > I remember these very interesting posts, but I don't see the relation to > a tickler file. How do you get back to a certain email on a specific > date? > By scheduling a todo containing the link? Yes, or by setting a deadline. Then the org agenda "tickles" you at the right time, and gives you the link to follow to the original material. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] processing pending emails as part of your GTD system
On Apr 30, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Adam Spiers wrote: Pete Phillips ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This post is slighly off-topic, as it is not directly about org-mode. As many of you on the list will know, I'm a big fan of David Allen's GTD system, and over the years I have tweaked my use of MH and MH-E to help support this use. One thing I have done is design a method so that I can easily put emails into a set of 'pending' mail folders, and then get cron to process these and dump the emails back into my +inbox at appropriate dates. That's interesting. I'm also a fan of GTD and therefore also love being able to get mail out of the inbox into the archives, so that the inbox only contains unprocessed mail. However, as I mentioned a while back on this list, I take a completely different approach to implementing the "tickler" mechanism for allowing an archived mail to regain visibility on a particular date: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/2513/ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/5595/ Hi Adam, I remember these very interesting posts, but I don't see the relation to a tickler file. How do you get back to a certain email on a specific date? By scheduling a todo containing the link? - Carsten etc. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] processing pending emails as part of your GTD system
Pete Phillips ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > This post is slighly off-topic, as it is not directly about org-mode. > > As many of you on the list will know, I'm a big fan of David Allen's GTD > system, and over the years I have tweaked my use of MH and MH-E to help > support this use. > > One thing I have done is design a method so that I can easily put emails > into a set of 'pending' mail folders, and then get cron to process these > and dump the emails back into my +inbox at appropriate dates. That's interesting. I'm also a fan of GTD and therefore also love being able to get mail out of the inbox into the archives, so that the inbox only contains unprocessed mail. However, as I mentioned a while back on this list, I take a completely different approach to implementing the "tickler" mechanism for allowing an archived mail to regain visibility on a particular date: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/2513/ http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/5595/ etc. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] processing pending emails as part of your GTD system
On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How did you know about this ``message://%3c%3e'' schema syntax!? Is
there anything else I can do to Mail from within Emacs (or from
within Quicksilver {see footnote}). Where can I read more! Is it
safe to upgrade Mail (i.e. if I upgrade to OS X 10.666 will this
script break?)
Things like this change all the time between OS revisions, so no
guarantee. I think the message URLs are new in Leopard (10.5). You
can find some details here:
http://daringfireball.net/2007/12/message_urls_leopard_mail
The macosxhints.com site is good too for tricks like that. I think I
just modified someone else's "Copy Message URL" script to put it in
the right format for org-mode. I'm no apple-script expert either.
It seems that the message is found even if I move it to another
folder within Mail after generating the link; anything I need to be
warned about?
Yes, Mail in Leopard indexes all the messages and (usually) follows
them through refiles. Once in a while a linked message can't be
found, but if I revisit the folder or "synchronize with server", then
it works again.
I often have two message viewers open (one with mailboxes showing
and one without, for easier filing {see footnote}) -- how does your
script (or Mail) choose which one is 'selected'?
No idea, likely the last Mail window with focus?
1) Why doesn't the applescript work for the messages in the first
folder I tried - my GTD folder? Messages from the org-mode digest
are automatically filed to "On My Mac" -> "Reference" -> "GHI" ->
"GTD" to help keep my inbox clean. But any message I try to run
your script on gives me blank "id" properties.
Example: [[message://%3c%3e][Emacs-orgmode Digest, Vol 26, Issue 54]]
Hm, that %3c%3e means that there was no message-ID field for that
message. If you look at "Long Headers" and there IS a "Message-ID:"
field (there is on org-mode messages for me), then maybe it has to do
with Mail's index after auto-filing. I do my auto-filing on the
server with procmail, so I never use Mail's facility for that.
2) The emacs-lisp code calls (yank) which doesn't grab text from the
Apple Clipboard for me. I am using "GNU Emacs 22.1.50.1 (powerpc-
apple-darwin7.9.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0) of 2007-10-02 on
applecore.inf.ed.ac.uk - Aquamacs Distribution 1.2a" and org-version
5.23a. Instead, I modified your code to use (cua-paste).
Okay, simple enough. Mine is GNU Emacs 22.2.1 (i386-apple-darwin9,
Carbon Version 1.6.0) [compiled from emacs22-carbon in Fink].
I use Quicksilver, but don't have much in the way of Mail
integration. Let me know if you find something.
Chris
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Re: [Orgmode] processing pending emails as part of your GTD system
On 2008-04-23 Wed, at 14:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:55:55 -0400
From: Christopher League <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] processing pending emails as part of your GTD
system
To: org-mode mailing list
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
More relevant to org-mode, I have an emacs-lisp/apple-script combo for
pasting links to Apple Mail messages into org files:
Wow. Thank you very much for this.
I've tried to do something like this, but I'm a read-only coder.
I've been using Apple's Mail program since I got my first Mac 5 years
ago, and only recently (since 2007-08) started using GTD and org-
mode. I've been very frustrated by some of the time-consuming choices
I've made to keep Mail and 'projects.org' linked.
How did you know about this ``message://%3c%3e'' schema syntax!? Is
there anything else I can do to Mail from within Emacs (or from within
Quicksilver {see footnote}). Where can I read more! Is it safe to
upgrade Mail (i.e. if I upgrade to OS X 10.666 will this script
break?) It seems that the message is found even if I move it to
another folder within Mail after generating the link; anything I need
to be warned about? I often have two message viewers open (one with
mailboxes showing and one without, for easier filing {see footnote})
-- how does your script (or Mail) choose which one is 'selected'?
That's a lot questions ... feel free to redirect me to a resource to
read first instead of taking your time repeating well-known details of
Mail's internals. It's just that the Dictionary of Mail (in Script
Editor) isn't very comprehensible to me. I don't speak AppleScript.
Two issues with the the emacs-lisp and applescript.
1) Why doesn't the applescript work for the messages in the first
folder I tried - my GTD folder? Messages from the org-mode digest are
automatically filed to "On My Mac" -> "Reference" -> "GHI" -> "GTD" to
help keep my inbox clean. But any message I try to run your script on
gives me blank "id" properties.
Example: [[message://%3c%3e][Emacs-orgmode Digest, Vol 26, Issue 54]]
when I click on this link in my org-mode file, Mail generates an error
dialog with the message "No associated application could be found."
Every other message in any other folder I've tried works fine. Strange.
2) The emacs-lisp code calls (yank) which doesn't grab text from the
Apple Clipboard for me. I am using "GNU Emacs 22.1.50.1 (powerpc-
apple-darwin7.9.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0) of 2007-10-02 on
applecore.inf.ed.ac.uk - Aquamacs Distribution 1.2a" and org-version
5.23a. Instead, I modified your code to use (cua-paste).
Now I've just got to figure out where to put this code! Thank you
ever so much!
-Ben
{footnote}
I've tried to select multiple messages in Mail and then use
Quicksilver to re-file them all in one go. I tested this (I thought)
then spent hours creating a whole 'Reference' folder hierarchy. But
it just doesn't work! If I could find a way for the currently selected
messages to be passed to Quicksilver AND also use quicksilver to
select the folders (the search capabilities are great!) maybe I could
cobble something together.
Right now, I've decided that spending time to automate this isn't
worth the time saved.
{end footnote}
(defun cal-grab-mail-links ()
(interactive)
(call-process "/usr/bin/osascript" nil t nil
"/home/league/Library/Scripts/Applications/Mail/Copy
Message for OrgMode.scpt")
(yank))
(define-key org-mode-map "\C-cm" 'cal-grab-mail-links)
; and the .scpt component:
-- Replace all occurences of one string for another in a text
-- The trick here is to change the internal delimiter,
-- spliting and joining the text
--
on replaceString(theText, oldString, newString)
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to oldString
set tempList to every text item of theText
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to newString
set theText to the tempList as string
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ""
return theText
end replaceString
tell application "Mail"
set _sel to get selection
set _links to {}
repeat with _msg in _sel
set _subj to _msg's subject
set _subj to my replaceString(_subj, "[", "(")
set _subj to my replaceString(_subj, "]", ")")
set _messageURL to "[[message://%3c" & _msg's message id & "%3e]["
&
_subj & "]]"
set end of _links to _messageURL
end repeat
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to return
set the clipboard to (_links as string)
end tell
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Re: [Orgmode] processing pending emails as part of your GTD system
On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:55 AM, Pete Phillips wrote:
One thing I have done is design a method so that I can easily put
emails
into a set of 'pending' mail folders, and then get cron to process
these
and dump the emails back into my +inbox at appropriate dates.
Interesting, I have a similar script that also requires cron/shell
access to mail server, but works with mbox format instead of MH, and
is compatible with, e.g., dovecot IMAP server. Mine is slightly less
fancy, in that I file messages to absolute folders named "days/25" or
"months/07-July" (rather than "nextweek") to have them dumped back
into my spool at the indicated time. See the 'email-tickler-update'
script attached.
More relevant to org-mode, I have an emacs-lisp/apple-script combo for
pasting links to Apple Mail messages into org files:
(defun cal-grab-mail-links ()
(interactive)
(call-process "/usr/bin/osascript" nil t nil
"/home/league/Library/Scripts/Applications/Mail/Copy
Message for OrgMode.scpt")
(yank))
(define-key org-mode-map "\C-cm" 'cal-grab-mail-links)
; and the .scpt component:
-- Replace all occurences of one string for another in a text
-- The trick here is to change the internal delimiter,
-- spliting and joining the text
--
on replaceString(theText, oldString, newString)
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to oldString
set tempList to every text item of theText
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to newString
set theText to the tempList as string
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ""
return theText
end replaceString
tell application "Mail"
set _sel to get selection
set _links to {}
repeat with _msg in _sel
set _subj to _msg's subject
set _subj to my replaceString(_subj, "[", "(")
set _subj to my replaceString(_subj, "]", ")")
set _messageURL to "[[message://%3c" & _msg's message id & "%3e][" &
_subj & "]]"
set end of _links to _messageURL
end repeat
set AppleScript's text item delimiters to return
set the clipboard to (_links as string)
end tell
#!/usr/bin/env zsh
## email-tickler-update -- manage a set of 43 mailboxes as a 'tickler' file
## Written by and for Christopher League <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
## but released to the public domain.
## This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
## but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
## MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
### Settings ###
mail_spool=/var/mail
mail_dir=mail
today=$(date +%d)# 03, 14, 31, ...
month=$(date +%m-%b) # 02-Feb, 11-Nov, ...
day_mbox=${mail_dir}/days/${today}
month_mbox=${mail_dir}/months/${month}
users=($*)
### Helper functions ###
## Maybe run a command; maybe print it instead. If this script is run
## with DRYRUN set (to anything except empty string), it will avoid
## taking any real actions, and just print the commands.
run() {
if [[ -z $DRYRUN ]]; then # do it for real
$*
else# output only
print '%' $*
fi
}
## Run a command, but exit with message on error.
guard() {
run $*
if [[ $? != 0 ]]; then
print "FATAL($?): $*"
exit $?
fi
}
readable() {
if [[ ! -r $1 ]]; then
print unreadable: $1
exit 1
fi
}
### Primary actions ###
## Append given file to mail spool, then empty it out.
move_to_spool() {
cat $1 >>${user_mail_spool}
print -n >$1
}
## This wraps the above with the proper locking protocol, and does it
## only if given mailbox is non-empty.
protected_move() {
guard lockfile $1.lock
if [[ -s $1 ]]; then
guard lockfile ${user_mail_spool}.lock
guard move_to_spool $1
guard rm -f ${user_mail_spool}.lock
fi
guard rm -f $1.lock
}
### Main loop ###
for u in $users; do
user_mail_spool=${mail_spool}/$u
readable ${user_mail_spool}
readable ~$u/${day_mbox}
readable ~$u/${month_mbox}
protected_move ~$u/${day_mbox}
if [[ $today == 01 ]]; then
protected_move ~$u/${month_mbox}
fi
done
exit 0
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