* Bastien [2020-12-11 08:18]:
> Dear all,
>
> as the subject says: it would be nice to have someone overseeing Org
> bugs that are reported with M-x report-emacs-bugs.
>
> These bugs end up in the Emacs debbugs tracking tool:
>
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Bugs.html
>
> They are also sent to the bug-gnu-emacs mailing list:
> https://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-gnu-emacs
Process could be somewhat automated if program calculcates what is the
month and expands to 2020-12 then downloads automatically the mbox
file from:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/mbox/bug-gnu-emacs/2020-12
and conduct grep searches:
grep -i "Subject: .*Org" 2020-12
which gives:
Subject: bug#45002: gnu.org Mailbox Upgrade!!
Subject: bug#43268: Update Org for Emacs 27.2
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectanble
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectanble
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectanble
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectanble
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectanble
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectangle
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectangle
Subject: bug#43268: Update Org for Emacs 27.2
Subject: bug#43268: Update Org for Emacs 27.2
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectangle
Subject: bug#43268: Update Org for Emacs 27.2
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectangle
Subject: bug#45091: 27.1; M-x org-table-paste-rectangle
Subject: bug#42484: 26.1: org-mode should display value of links in minibuffer
Subject: bug#45147: Org-like cycling in outline-minor-mode
Subject: bug#45147: Org-like cycling in outline-minor-mode
If somebody has a VPS the report could come once per day. For me it
would be quite natural that report arrives as Org file report.
It is additionally possible to parse: bug#45147 into a hyperlink to
WWW report:
https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=45147
or to directly link to mbox:
https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=45147=yes
> Volunteering for overseeing these bugs does not mean you have to
> subscribe to this list or to fix all Org bugs there :)
But one could do that as it would be useful activity. And when one
answers on bug reported through main Emacs interface one could add Cc:
to Org mailing list.
> First of all, most users use M-x org-submit-bug-report for Org bugs,
> which is the preferred way of submitting Org bugs.
Maybe they use that, maybe most users use the menu option. Let us not
forget that majority of users will never report a bug and that bug
reporting should be encouraged.
> Secondly, most bugs reported with M-x report-emacs-bugs are bugs
> against old versions of Org, already fixed upstream.
>
> So the idea is just to be able to answer one of these:
>
> - "Thanks but I cannot reproduce the bug with the latest Org."
Org users are not necessarily experienced users who will know what it means:
- bug? - when users do not understand the meaning they may not even
report. If they wish to improve some feature, they will not
report. Option in the Org menu: "Send bug report" could as well be
more descriptive to be like: "Send bug report or feature request"
and manual could prominently invite users to send bug reports or
feature requests. Additionally, I suggest you add in the menu
"Subscribe to Org mailing list" to invite users.
- "to reproduce the bug" -- this may not have meaning for new users
same as for you. It may be also understood as rejection or that
user's observation is wrong, thus wronging the user. It needs more
description
- "latest Org" -- this may not be understood in the same way. It needs
pointers how to upgrade.
Formulation should be adopted to the view point of a new user, it
could be something like:
"Thank you for your bug report related to Org mode. New bugs like you
reported get resolved in the next development version of the Org
mode. The bug as described is not reproducing in that latest
development version, so I think that it hsa been resolved. Advise is
that you upgrade your Org package in Emacs by doing: M-x .."
Additionally in that snipper under that context that bug is not
reproducible, you should tell to user that Org bugs may be reported
straight from Org mode menu or by M-x org-submit-bug-report
Please do not tell users something like Org is not Emacs as that is
confusing, and not true. Telling them harshly that Org bugs have to be
submitted to Org mailing list is causing problems as it is wronging
users. Do not assume that user, especially one who reports through
main interface, would know what you mean.
You may formulate it better in the sense that it will be better
understood. It is a snippet or template to be used, not something to
re-type over and over again.
Consider that Org comes with Emacs. GNU/Linux and BSD derivatives
distribute Emacs. Users using Org need not know that
